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- rickheel - 07-10-2002 05:45 PM

Let gays, lesbians adopt, Bull Reno says
BY BETH REINHARD
breinhard@herald.com

Janet Reno has said it before, and on Tuesday, she said it again: Florida should allow gay men and lesbians to adopt children.

''If you can be a perfectly wonderful parent, and take an unadoptable child and make them adoptable, you should be able to do that,'' Reno told about 250 people at the GayLauderdale networking luncheon at the Embassy Suites Hotel in Fort Lauderdale.

The former U.S. attorney general also called for the defeat of the proposed repeal of Miami-Dade's gay rights law and the passage of state and federal laws to prohibit job discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Her speech was yet another campaign event aimed at wooing gay voters, potentially powerful allies in her bid to become the next governor of Florida. Gay, black and female voters are the Democratic Party's traditional stalwarts, and are key to Reno's stratergy to defeat Gov. Jeb Bush on Nov. 5.

Her chief rival in the Sept. 10 primary, Bill McBride, has not taken as strong a stance on gay adoption. It is one of the few issues that set the two Democrats apart, since both call for smaller school classes, higher salaries for teachers and better healthcare for the elderly.

Asked about McBride's position on gay adoptions, campaign spokesman Alan Stonecipher said: ``Ultimately that will be a judicial decision that some court will have to resolve. That decision, and any other child welfare decision, should be made on the basis of the welfare of the child.''

McBride would sign a law allowing adoption by gay parents if he were elected governor, Stonecipher said when pressed. He added that the law firm McBride headed before his campaign, Holland & Knight, was among the first to offer health benefits to employees' same-sex companions.

But in 1999, McBride decided the firm would decline an opportunity to represent plaintiffs challenging Florida's ban on gay adoptions. At the time, he said the issue was too political and divisive.

Activists at the lunch said the gay community is leaning to Reno. She attracted more than twice the usual crowd for the monthly event. Talk show host Rosie O'Donnell, a lesbian who is trying to drum up opposition to the adoption ban, hosted a fundraiser for Reno last year in Miami. The Gay and Lesbian Community Center in Fort Lauderdale gave Reno a lifetime achievement award in November.

''She's the only candidate who has responded favorably on gay issues,'' said Dean Trantalis, president of the Dolphin Democratic Club, which has not endorsed Reno or McBride. ``All the other ones dance around them.''

Florida is the only state that prohibits all adoptions by gay adults, though homosexuals may act as foster parents.

Monte Guthrie, president of GayLauderdale, called adoption by homosexuals ``the kitchen-table issue for the gay community.''

''We feel a connection to her,'' he said of Reno. ``She's a woman and understands discrimination. Bill McBride is a big unknown still, and some people want to learn more about him before they make up their mind.''

Bill Henkel, a Fort Lauderdale retiree who attended the lunch, said he would vote for Reno but was skeptical that she could beat a popular incumbent and brother of the president.

''I think it's tragic that she's up against Jeb, with all his money and resources,'' he said. ``Even if she wins the primary, on Sept. 11 she'll be 20 points behind.''

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- PoohTerp - 07-10-2002 06:22 PM

I waffle on this issue. I know two lesbian couples that have adopted and their family life seems to very strong.. stronger than some of my straight couple friends. I also felt that Rosie O'Donnell, who has thoroughly peeved me on other issues (Million Menopausal March) handled herself quite well on O'Reilly when being intensely interviewed on this topic. Heck, she won Bill over on issue!


- georgia_tech_swagger - 07-10-2002 06:57 PM

Rosie O'Donnell wants baby....

Rosie hosts dinner for Reno's political career....

Reno wants baby adoption for gays and lebsians....

Draw your own conclusion here.

I really don't care either way, but I think Reno and Rosie are patting each other on the back. And with that simply horrible image, I'll stop on this topic.


- The Bomber - 07-10-2002 10:26 PM

There are children in the world who will die if they do not find a home. Living in almost any kind of environment is better than what they have. I have seen no evidence that having parents who are in a stable homosexual relationship is worse than dying of starvation and disease.


- nate jonesacc - 07-10-2002 10:32 PM

I'm pretty conservative, but come on, the kid could have 2 druggies, or 2 convicts, or 2 *****s as parents . Entirely too subjective and too stereotypical to label same sex parents as a bad idea.


- Terpy - 07-13-2002 11:40 AM

I guess as long as the "parents" dont try to force their "preferences" on the kids in any way it is better than the alternative but I still dont really like it...


- TDMs Alias Name - 07-14-2002 12:10 PM

In general, the screening process for adoptive parents varies from state to state. But the process is intense in all cases. I say allow it-if a couple can pass the scrutiny of the Socila Services exams then usually they have the attributes to be decent parents.

Many alleged humans that have birth children would never make it through the screening to adopt.


- rickheel - 07-14-2002 01:01 PM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TDMs Alias Name:
In general, the screening process for adoptive parents varies from state to state. But the process is intense in all cases. I say allow it-if a couple can pass the scrutiny of the Socila Services exams then usually they have the attributes to be decent parents.

Many alleged humans that have birth children would never make it through the screening to adopt.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">BINGO!! We have a winner!


- TheHumanBullet - 07-14-2002 01:24 PM

I think that homosexual couples should be able to adopt, but, while you're thinking about that, put these images in your head.

The child's parents goes to the first PTA meeting of the year. Other children's parents sees the gay couple, they talk, and they decide that their kids should stay away from the child of the gay couple.

Now this kid gets ignored, made fun of, talked about behind his back, and had pranks pulled on. All of these things have the strange way of perpetuating homicidal rages, either the child taking out hs parents or his classmates, or he flat out commits suicide.

You can't tell me that this won't happen. And even if it doesn't, we'll find a new way to represent someone who has been damaged for life.


- LilRedTerp - 07-14-2002 02:04 PM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TheHumanBullet:
I think that homosexual couples should be able to adopt, but, while you're thinking about that, put these images in your head.

The child's parents goes to the first PTA meeting of the year. Other children's parents sees the gay couple, they talk, and they decide that their kids should stay away from the child of the gay couple.

Now this kid gets ignored, made fun of, talked about behind his back, and had pranks pulled on. All of these things have the strange way of perpetuating homicidal rages, either the child taking out hs parents or his classmates, or he flat out commits suicide.

You can't tell me that this won't happen. And even if it doesn't, we'll find a new way to represent someone who has been damaged for life.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmmm...so is that why my Uncle's kids are normal? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> Seriously tho'...it all depends on where you live...and most gay couples tend to live in more open-minded areas of the country. Just a thought. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />


- rickheel - 07-14-2002 02:44 PM

HB, you have raised a point I thought of when I first posted the thread. It will happen, that is a given. But kids will find something to poke fun at. The parents will have to deal with this with their child.


- TDMs Alias Name - 07-14-2002 09:59 PM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by rickheel:
HB, you have raised a point I thought of when I first posted the thread. It will happen, that is a given. But kids will find something to poke fun at. The parents will have to deal with this with their child.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Rickheel-I am getting very scared-we are agreeing way too often!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />


- Rt1Rebel - 07-14-2002 10:29 PM

This is one instance where I agree with the libs. A caring couple who can demonstrate responsibility and love should be allowed to adopt, especially when there are no other healthy options. I don't agree that it's the optimum situation, but if there are children who otherwise would not enjoy the love of caring parents and a home, then I say anything for those poor kids.


- Rt1Rebel - 07-14-2002 10:34 PM

BTW, did anyopne see Roseanne about 2 months ago on O'Reilly? I did, and I have to say that before the interview, I could not have thought less of that woman, but after watching her on O'Reilly, I actually gained some respect for her. She was brave enough to face Bill on his home court, and she has changed alot of her wacko views, at least from what I got from the interview. She impressed me and Bill too, I think. I don't agree with most of her crap, but the fact that she was willing to admit being wrong on a few things and that she would face down with Bill that way gave her a boast in my opinion of her.


- apocalypse dude - 07-14-2002 10:42 PM

I think it should be fine to let a gay couple adopt. A good set of parents are a good set. For those worried about the sexual preference of the kid: if 2 straight parents can raise a kid that turns out to be gay, 2 gay parents can raise a kid that turns out to be straight.


- LilRedTerp - 07-14-2002 11:06 PM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by apocalypse dude:
I think it should be fine to let a gay couple adopt. A good set of parents are a good set. For those worried about the sexual preference of the kid: if 2 straight parents can raise a kid that turns out to be gay, 2 gay parents can raise a kid that turns out to be straight.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Great point. It should also be noted that most gay parents WANT their children to be straight. Being gay is not an easy lifestyle...and most parents don't want their children to have to deal with what they've had to deal with in their lives. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />


- Yawhooos - 07-14-2002 11:30 PM

YOU CANT PUT A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE !!! THIS IS A JOKE !!!


- TheHumanBullet - 07-15-2002 09:30 AM

I can agree with letting them adopt if that's a last ditch option. Kids do deserve families but at least them be the older kids that they adopt. And don't let their parents into the PTA!!!!


- p5mmr9 - 07-15-2002 09:54 AM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terpy:
I guess as long as the "parents" dont try to force their "preferences" on the kids in any way it is better than the alternative but I still dont really like it...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">force their preferences?


- p5mmr9 - 07-15-2002 10:01 AM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TheHumanBullet:
I think that homosexual couples should be able to adopt, but, while you're thinking about that, put these images in your head.

The child's parents goes to the first PTA meeting of the year. Other children's parents sees the gay couple, they talk, and they decide that their kids should stay away from the child of the gay couple.

Now this kid gets ignored, made fun of, talked about behind his back, and had pranks pulled on. All of these things have the strange way of perpetuating homicidal rages, either the child taking out hs parents or his classmates, or he flat out commits suicide.

You can't tell me that this won't happen. And even if it doesn't, we'll find a new way to represent someone who has been damaged for life.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So, do you say the same for any other ridiculed group (like Jews or Catholics in a small southern Baptist town)?