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How do we fix men's basketball? - NewTimes - 01-30-2015 12:07 PM
Beyond a coaching change, what needs to be done to stop the bleeding and have the program rise back to prominence?
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - Curtisc83 - 01-30-2015 05:14 PM
(01-30-2015 12:07 PM)NewTimes Wrote: Beyond a coaching change, what needs to be done to stop the bleeding and have the program rise back to prominence?
We can start recruiting in all the jails and low income communities.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - GE and MTS - 01-30-2015 09:21 PM
Yes, good recruits.
We have the facilities. We need the players.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - NewTimes - 01-31-2015 09:28 AM
How about a public statement thanking Layer for his past success, having him privately agree, but publicly state he is to resign after the season, be interviewing the best possible candidates, and have that person in the mix, or a strong consideration, at season's end.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - GE and MTS - 01-31-2015 10:15 AM
I don't know if it is a good idea to fire a coach during the season and keep him around to coach. What incentive does he have in trying to win, or do anything at all? He could just burn some redshirts and basically go postal. The only saving grace is that his son is on the team so he wouldn't want to be too destructive. Or Layer could get hired somewhere else and/or quit before the season is over and we've got no head coach.
Just let him ride it out on the hot seat and then inform him after the season that his services are no longer needed.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - NewTimes - 01-31-2015 11:33 AM
(01-31-2015 10:15 AM)GE and MTS Wrote: I don't know if it is a good idea to fire a coach during the season and keep him around to coach. What incentive does he have in trying to win, or do anything at all? He could just burn some redshirts and basically go postal. The only saving grace is that his son is on the team so he wouldn't want to be too destructive. Or Layer could get hired somewhere else and/or quit before the season is over and we've got no head coach.If Layer was to be let go, there is no such thing as keeping him around. If one is let go, or resign, they goes immediately, unless it mutual that they stay until the end of the year. To wait until after the season is over, before searching for potential new coaches, before he is fired or resigned it much to late.
Just let him ride it out on the hot seat and then inform him after the season that his services are no longer needed.
As he will want to coach again, he'll put on the good face until the season is over if nothing happens. The AD needs now to be putting feelers out, to attend the tourneys, to find out who is available and who are potential fits.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - Libertygrad01 - 01-31-2015 08:54 PM
I would think people are already being contacted.
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RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - NewTimes - 01-31-2015 09:16 PM
Flames lose 10th straight conference game to go 0-10 equaling worst start ever. So we just continue to sit back and let this continue. There is something about that just seems inconsistent to being a top flight program to do that.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - army56mike - 01-31-2015 10:28 PM
Ever with the atrocity of this team, I am not sure Layer is going to be fired.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - GE and MTS - 02-01-2015 08:15 AM
(01-31-2015 11:33 AM)NewTimes Wrote:(01-31-2015 10:15 AM)GE and MTS Wrote: I don't know if it is a good idea to fire a coach during the season and keep him around to coach. What incentive does he have in trying to win, or do anything at all? He could just burn some redshirts and basically go postal. The only saving grace is that his son is on the team so he wouldn't want to be too destructive. Or Layer could get hired somewhere else and/or quit before the season is over and we've got no head coach.If Layer was to be let go, there is no such thing as keeping him around. If one is let go, or resign, they goes immediately, unless it mutual that they stay until the end of the year. To wait until after the season is over, before searching for potential new coaches, before he is fired or resigned it much to late.
Just let him ride it out on the hot seat and then inform him after the season that his services are no longer needed.
As he will want to coach again, he'll put on the good face until the season is over if nothing happens. The AD needs now to be putting feelers out, to attend the tourneys, to find out who is available and who are potential fits.
(01-31-2015 09:28 AM)NewTimes Wrote: How about a public statement thanking Layer for his past success, having him privately agree, but publicly state he is to resign after the season, be interviewing the best possible candidates, and have that person in the mix, or a strong consideration, at season's end.
Yous specifically said he would announce his resignation and stay until the end of the year but then you correct me in saying that if he resigned it would be immediate?
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - NewTimes - 02-01-2015 09:22 AM
(02-01-2015 08:15 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:It was a confusing reply so let me clarify. One scenario would be that he states now that he is departing after the year and that he has accepted another position at the university. He gets his remaining compensation, the university gets a new coach beginning in 2015-2016. The program gets a jolt.(01-31-2015 11:33 AM)NewTimes Wrote:(01-31-2015 10:15 AM)GE and MTS Wrote: I don't know if it is a good idea to fire a coach during the season and keep him around to coach. What incentive does he have in trying to win, or do anything at all? He could just burn some redshirts and basically go postal. The only saving grace is that his son is on the team so he wouldn't want to be too destructive. Or Layer could get hired somewhere else and/or quit before the season is over and we've got no head coach.If Layer was to be let go, there is no such thing as keeping him around. If one is let go, or resign, they goes immediately, unless it mutual that they stay until the end of the year. To wait until after the season is over, before searching for potential new coaches, before he is fired or resigned it much to late.
Just let him ride it out on the hot seat and then inform him after the season that his services are no longer needed.
As he will want to coach again, he'll put on the good face until the season is over if nothing happens. The AD needs now to be putting feelers out, to attend the tourneys, to find out who is available and who are potential fits.
(01-31-2015 09:28 AM)NewTimes Wrote: How about a public statement thanking Layer for his past success, having him privately agree, but publicly state he is to resign after the season, be interviewing the best possible candidates, and have that person in the mix, or a strong consideration, at season's end.
Yous specifically said he would announce his resignation and stay until the end of the year but then you correct me in saying that if he resigned it would be immediate?
Another scenario is that he resign now, departs the school and the team is coached by an assistant with a negotiated buyout. Could we do any worse that 0-10 with an assistant? The program gets a jolt and the players realize losing is unacceptable.
A further scenario, is that he steps down now, replaced by an assistant and the university buys out his contract and is thanked for his effort. That drastic step would publicly alert all potential coaches that here is an opening beginning next year. AD Barber would be in a strong position for potential new coaches.
The unfortunate situation is that there is no consensus of what is the action to take but everyone does agree that a change must happen. It's timing and procedures that we're discussing, not the merit of do we accept the current status of being the weakest team, in one of the weakest conferences with the lowest RPI, without a conference win, with dwindling attendance, and as Chris Lang stated this week, "...apathy is worse than anger".
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - knucklehead - 02-01-2015 09:57 AM
As I see some of these teams come thru the vines, I'm glad we don't recruit those "caliber" players. I'd rather stiink and have Liberty kids than some of the stuff I see and hear down on the floor, especially from Harper and Nimley last night.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - NewTimes - 02-01-2015 10:32 AM
(02-01-2015 09:57 AM)knucklehead Wrote: As I see some of these teams come thru the vines, I'm glad we don't recruit those "caliber" players. I'd rather stiink and have Liberty kids than some of the stuff I see and hear down on the floor, especially from Harper and Nimley last night.I did not watch the game last night but heard there was a skirmish from a Tweet. One does not have to "stink" to be good or bad. I'm assuming from your post that the CSU players instigated some foul play.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - knucklehead - 02-01-2015 11:45 AM
The fighting. The trash and filthy talk. In the refs and Lu players faces. Taunting the players and crowd. Gestures. You name it.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - NewTimes - 02-01-2015 03:42 PM
(02-01-2015 11:45 AM)knucklehead Wrote: The fighting. The trash and filthy talk. In the refs and Lu players faces. Taunting the players and crowd. Gestures. You name it.Good coaching can use that kind of play by an opposing team as an edge when playing that team a repeat time. For that to happen, LU would have to meet CSU in the tourney. Sometimes, that kind of play is when one team is really hyped to play a superior rival, but usually it's when one team does not respect another team. LU may be teetering on that fine edge where teams expect to beat them, don't respect LU's skill level, expect little resistance from LU, and will resort to trash talk and cheap, low brow plays. I hope Layer can inspire the team to use that type of play by opposing teams as motivation to play harder and eek out a win or two.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - Libertygrad01 - 02-01-2015 10:42 PM
We basically start from scratch. We find a coach and make a commitment to him and give him 4 or 5 years, because this is going to be a major rebuilding job. The good news is a new coach has some tools to work with in regards to the facilities and the commitment Liberty will make to win.
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RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - 4bidn - 02-02-2015 10:00 AM
(01-30-2015 05:14 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:(01-30-2015 12:07 PM)NewTimes Wrote: Beyond a coaching change, what needs to be done to stop the bleeding and have the program rise back to prominence?
We can start recruiting in all the jails and low income communities.
and how would this make a difference if you don't mind me asking. I would like to know what it is exactly your trying to say with that statement.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - 4bidn - 02-02-2015 10:04 AM
(02-01-2015 11:45 AM)knucklehead Wrote: The fighting. The trash and filthy talk. In the refs and Lu players faces. Taunting the players and crowd. Gestures. You name it.
LOL, are you kidding me, pls tell me that you are. Then you might as well disband the football team right now. I know for a FACT some of the "things" that are said, and now you want to act high and mighty and claim whoa is me. That is so stereotypical and also alot of the reason some people look at liberty the way they do.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - 4bidn - 02-02-2015 10:13 AM
(02-01-2015 09:57 AM)knucklehead Wrote: As I see some of these teams come thru the vines, I'm glad we don't recruit those "caliber" players. I'd rather stiink and have Liberty kids than some of the stuff I see and hear down on the floor, especially from Harper and Nimley last night.
And those "caliber" players are the ones that actually make the difference in your program. And why LU would always be a cellar dweller bottom feeder type program, with your mentality. That type of attitude breeds FAILURE. There was not a nicer guy off the court than Larry Legend. But on it he wanted to stick a dagger right in your heart. I want kids like that ones that can be respectful but also get just as grimy as needed. I want some Jimmy Chitwoods on this team.
RE: How do we fix men's basketball? - NewTimes - 02-02-2015 10:15 AM
(02-02-2015 10:04 AM)4bidn Wrote:LU athletes, especially in FB, taunt and trash talk equally as those teams that play LU. In basketball, Adam Smith, with his athletic ability to jump, almost always jaws, struts and taunts when he has one of his sky dunks.(02-01-2015 11:45 AM)knucklehead Wrote: The fighting. The trash and filthy talk. In the refs and Lu players faces. Taunting the players and crowd. Gestures. You name it.
LOL, are you kidding me, pls tell me that you are. Then you might as well disband the football team right now. I know for a FACT some of the "things" that are said, and now you want to act high and mighty and claim whoa is me. That is so stereotypical and also alot of the reason some people look at liberty the way they do.