(07-18-2016 12:08 PM)_BL_NINER Wrote:  10. Jared Johnson-UTSA

(07-18-2016 01:27 PM)wh49er Wrote:  Not quite sure you could say Olsen is a solid starter without any game evidence.

(07-18-2016 12:08 PM)_BL_NINER Wrote:  Tier 1-"Elite"
1. Nick Mullens-USM
2. Brent Stockstill-MT
3. Chase Litton-MU

(07-18-2016 01:27 PM)wh49er Wrote:  Not quite sure you could say Olsen is a solid starter without any game evidence.

(07-18-2016 12:08 PM)_BL_NINER Wrote:  There are a lot of new faces at QB so ranking them is pretty hard. I think there will be the normal three tiers, "Elite", "Solid starter" and "Could be replaced mid year." How would you guys project them to stack up this year?


Tier 1-"Elite"
1. Nick Mullens-USM
2. Brent Stockstill-MT
3. Chase Litton-MU

Tier 2-"Solid starter"
4. Alex McGough-FIU
5. Mike White-WKU
6. Kevin Olsen-CHA
7. Zack Greenlee-UTEP
8. Ryan Higgins-LT

Tier 3-"Could be replaced mid year"
9. David Washington-ODU
10. Jared Johnson-UTSA
11. Tyler Stehling-RICE
12. Alec Morris-UNT
13. Jason Driskel-FAU

Like I said, this is tough because there are so many unknowns. What do you guys think?

(07-18-2016 01:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Hard to rank a unknown and at this point that's what Western's QB and a few others are

I would have a top 2 and move Chase Litton with Alex McGough then a another tier. At this point Litton has not shown any more than Mcgough. That might change but till it does neither belong with 1. Nick Mullens & 2. Brent Stockstill

(07-18-2016 01:39 PM)_BL_NINER Wrote:  

(07-18-2016 01:27 PM)wh49er Wrote:  Not quite sure you could say Olsen is a solid starter without any game evidence.

Like I said in my first post this is how I PROJECT the QBs to rank at the end of the season. Olsen is very talented, nearly beat out Brad Kaaya at Miami. They went with Kaaya because he was ready as a true freshman and had a higher ceiling. Olsen also had off the field problems. Phil Steele has Olsen ranked 5th so it's not too crazy.

(07-18-2016 02:06 PM)banker Wrote:  If you go strictly off what they have done, not what fans think they can do, it looks like this:

1. Stockstill - I know this will throw some, but he had the highest completion percentage, best TD to Int ratio and lowest sack rate in the conference out of all returning QBs. He did all that as a first year starter who should improve this year. His QB rating was only slightly lower than Mullens.

2. Mullens - has the advantage of being a senior, had the best QB rating in the league, but is a little more turnover prone than Stockstill (both Ints and fumbles), holds the ball longer and gets sacked at a rate that is 30% higher than Stockstill (reason for some of those fumbles). Those are mistakes that a three year starter shouldn't make, implying Stock has a higher ceiling this year.

3. Litton - 3rd highest QB rating in the conference of returning QBs. A big step down from the top 2, they should be in their own category. He get's the 3rd spot because he was also 3rd in TD-Int ratio and second in lowest sack rate. Last year was a true freshman who should see things slow down for him this year.

4. McGough - Almost interchangeable with Litton at the 3 spot. Better completion percentage, but a lower rating. Takes way to many sacks, 50% more likely to take a negative play (sack) than Litton. Also, his attempts per TD are not up to par with the 3 above him.

Everyone else is a crapshoot, either untested or limited action, or some action but not at his level. White, in his one year of real action at USF completed only 50% of his passes and had an 1.1 TD to Int ratio (the 4 listed QBs above were 2.6 to 3.3). He also had a 6.6% sack rate (the top 3 above are between 3.5 and 4.6). Greenlee and Higgins have some history, but the two of those, like White, have an under 115 QB rating (the four above are all over 130 with the top two over 150).

(07-18-2016 02:06 PM)banker Wrote:  If you go strictly off what they have done, not what fans think they can do, it looks like this:

1. Stockstill - I know this will throw some, but he had the highest completion percentage, best TD to Int ratio and lowest sack rate in the conference out of all returning QBs. He did all that as a first year starter who should improve this year. His QB rating was only slightly lower than Mullens.

2. Mullens - has the advantage of being a senior, had the best QB rating in the league, but is a little more turnover prone than Stockstill (both Ints and fumbles), holds the ball longer and gets sacked at a rate that is 30% higher than Stockstill (reason for some of those fumbles). Those are mistakes that a three year starter shouldn't make, implying Stock has a higher ceiling this year.

3. Litton - 3rd highest QB rating in the conference of returning QBs. A big step down from the top 2, they should be in their own category. He get's the 3rd spot because he was also 3rd in TD-Int ratio and second in lowest sack rate. Last year was a true freshman who should see things slow down for him this year.

4. McGough - Almost interchangeable with Litton at the 3 spot. Better completion percentage, but a lower rating. Takes way to many sacks, 50% more likely to take a negative play (sack) than Litton. Also, his attempts per TD are not up to par with the 3 above him.

Everyone else is a crapshoot, either untested or limited action, or some action but not at his level. White, in his one year of real action at USF completed only 50% of his passes and had an 1.1 TD to Int ratio (the 4 listed QBs above were 2.6 to 3.3). He also had a 6.6% sack rate (the top 3 above are between 3.5 and 4.6). Greenlee and Higgins have some history, but the two of those, like White, have an under 115 QB rating (the four above are all over 130 with the top two over 150).

(07-18-2016 09:03 PM)banker Wrote:  I think Mullens played in a better system last year. I would hate to see what Brohm could do with Stockstill.

(07-18-2016 02:06 PM)banker Wrote:  If you go strictly off what they have done, not what fans think they can do, it looks like this:

1. Stockstill - I know this will throw some, but he had the highest completion percentage, best TD to Int ratio and lowest sack rate in the conference out of all returning QBs. He did all that as a first year starter who should improve this year. His QB rating was only slightly lower than Mullens.

2. Mullens - has the advantage of being a senior, had the best QB rating in the league, but is a little more turnover prone than Stockstill (both Ints and fumbles), holds the ball longer and gets sacked at a rate that is 30% higher than Stockstill (reason for some of those fumbles). Those are mistakes that a three year starter shouldn't make, implying Stock has a higher ceiling this year.

3. Litton - 3rd highest QB rating in the conference of returning QBs. A big step down from the top 2, they should be in their own category. He get's the 3rd spot because he was also 3rd in TD-Int ratio and second in lowest sack rate. Last year was a true freshman who should see things slow down for him this year.

4. McGough - Almost interchangeable with Litton at the 3 spot. Better completion percentage, but a lower rating. Takes way to many sacks, 50% more likely to take a negative play (sack) than Litton. Also, his attempts per TD are not up to par with the 3 above him.

Everyone else is a crapshoot, either untested or limited action, or some action but not at his level. White, in his one year of real action at USF completed only 50% of his passes and had an 1.1 TD to Int ratio (the 4 listed QBs above were 2.6 to 3.3). He also had a 6.6% sack rate (the top 3 above are between 3.5 and 4.6). Greenlee and Higgins have some history, but the two of those, like White, have an under 115 QB rating (the four above are all over 130 with the top two over 150).