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Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - Policiious - 11-30-2017 01:24 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-big-ten-football-coaches-ranked-20171129-photogallery.html
Teddy Greenstein ranks them all, with some results I think are surprising
OSU
Wisky
PSU
Michigan
Nebraska
Iowa
MSU
Northwestern
Minny
Purdue
Maryland
Illinois
Rutgers
Indiana
I believe he has Maryland ranked too low now that they have spent to upgrade their facilities plus have the under armour partnership and are in the DC Baltimore and Virginia talent corridor. While Nebraska has the resources, the state produces very little talent requireing a coach to have strong recruiting roots elsewhere and be able to draw those talents to the middle of the country, not easliy done.
I think Iowa is ranked a bit high for many of the same reasons.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - TerpsNPhoenix - 12-01-2017 05:59 AM
(11-30-2017 01:24 PM)Policiious Wrote: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-big-ten-football-coaches-ranked-20171129-photogallery.html
Teddy Greenstein ranks them all, with some results I think are surprising
OSU
Wisky
PSU
Michigan
Nebraska
Iowa
MSU
Northwestern
Minny
Purdue
Maryland
Illinois
Rutgers
Indiana
I believe he has Maryland ranked too low now that they have spent to upgrade their facilities plus have the under armour partnership and are in the DC Baltimore and Virginia talent corridor. While Nebraska has the resources, the state produces very little talent requireing a coach to have strong recruiting roots elsewhere and be able to draw those talents to the middle of the country, not easliy done.
I think Iowa is ranked a bit high for many of the same reasons.
My heart agrees with this my head has a little more difficult time. I feel like Maryland should be higher but it's hard to see who Maryland is going to move past. Are Purdue and Minnesota ahead based on be in the west? Is it Brohm and Fleck? Purdue shouldn't be based on the past few years results (minus this year).
I think Nebraska is ranked so high because of its tradition but also because just about everyone thinks Scott Frost is going to be the next coach. Once Frost gets here he'll have them in contention for the Big Ten west every year, is what I expect them to be thinking.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - Policiious - 12-01-2017 01:04 PM
IMO Maryland has some inherent advantages over Purdue, Minnesota, Nebraska and even Wisconsin and Iowa.
Most of the B10 West programs are in lighter populated states that product a limited amount of D1 football talent.
For example Minnesota's most popular HS sport is Hockey and Hoops has a good participatation rate which cuts down on the number of athletes playing football. Further Minnesota does not border another larger state that might produce excess football talent although it is nor far from Illinois
Wisconsin has overcome it's instate talent disadvantage by recruiting hard in Illinois and the program has also traditionally done well in New Jersey, New York and PA while expanding into FLorida and Texas. For the Badgers to continue to be successful the program will have to continue to expand it's reach within Florida, Texas and the East Coast as Northwestern has become much more competitive within Illinois and eventually Lovie Smith will improve the Illini's recruiting or he will get fired and if he does Illinois should just drop football.
The 2 Indiana based Big 10 programs have to compete with Notre Dame for what instate talent is there which is only an average amount for a state the size of Indiana plus the fact that Michigan and Ohio State have reached into Indiana to recruit it's top talent for years. The only chance either Indiana or Purdue have 2 win is by drawing lots of talent from either southern and/or western states. I do not believe there will be a time when both programs can be successful given the competition they face from Notre Dame, Michigan Ohio State and others. One of the 2 should consider dropping football and shifting those resources to hockey & lacrosse.
Will be interesting to see if the Boat Rower can bring his magic from Western Michigan to Minnesota. Despite being in the easier division (as of now) he faces an uphill climb as Minnesota does not produce that much football talent. However since he was able to recruit talent from Florida to Kalamazoo, he should have an easier time doing that to the Twin Cities.
Whoever gets the Nebraska job will have to have deep recruiting roots in Texas and Florida for Nebraska to make it back to being competitive. Being a small state there is not much FBS level talent in state, although Nebraska has had success recruiting Missouri which is a decent talent level state.
The Terps have the advantage of being the only FBS level program in a state with decent talent plus no FBS program in nearby DC or Delaware plus close proximity to Philadelphia and Northern Virginia. Once it's facilities are up to the rest of the conference Maryland can be a real thorn in the side of Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - Policiious - 12-01-2017 01:07 PM
Michigan State has to compete with Michigan, Notre Dame and others for instate talent; the Terps are in a deep talent base area. Take a 100 mile radius and you have Philadelphia, Washington, Delaware, Baltimore and Northern VA. That is a a very nice swath or talent. UVA's program is on the skids, when Maryland's facilities improve the Terps should be able to go head to head with VaTech for the region's best talent.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - GE and MTS - 12-02-2017 09:34 AM
Maryland has a lot of advantages that they haven't utilized in past which gives them (and Rutgers) great potential. However, three of the bottom four have to go through three of the top four on the list which is why I think they are ranked so low. Can Maryland and Rutgers overcome Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and Michigan State in the next five years and win a national championship?
I don't think Nebraska is too high. They are in the west, have great tradition and support, and are one hire away from returning to glory.
The school I think is too high is Northwestern. They have built in disadvantages that would make it difficult to compete at a national championship level. They overachieve already and to up it even further would be near impossible in my mind.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - TerpsNPhoenix - 12-03-2017 12:50 PM
(12-01-2017 01:07 PM)Policiious Wrote: Michigan State has to compete with Michigan, Notre Dame and others for instate talent; the Terps are in a deep talent base area. Take a 100 mile radius and you have Philadelphia, Washington, Delaware, Baltimore and Northern VA. That is a a very nice swath or talent. UVA's program is on the skids, when Maryland's facilities improve the Terps should be able to go head to head with VaTech for the region's best talent.
100 mile radius from College Park, Maryland (I was curious). Turns out you're basically right. Don't quite get to Philly but it isn't far. The issue I have with the statement is about going up against VT for the best. The Terps already do that to some extent...as well as PSU and WVU. When you start talking about high 4 or 5 star, everybody is trying to get in. PSU has taken a TON of talent from the state of Maryland. We go at it virtually every year. Just in the past few years we've been going up against FSU, Alabama, Ohio State and even Texas. Maryland doesn't tend to keep the very best but occasionally it does. If it can snag a few more and build a wall around the area...this would be my football fantasy.
Also, while it is outside that 100 mile radius, the Virginia Tidewater area (757/Virginia Beach) is loaded with talent also. VT gets a bunch of talent from there. Maryland has made a little headway in there but VT pulls the lion's share.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - BadgerMJ - 12-04-2017 09:24 AM
Teddy Greenstein was on Dan McNeil's podcast last week and they talked about his column.
http://radiomisfits.com/dmu24/
He basically said that he gave more "points" to the teams in the west just because the division is seen as easier than the east.
I think much will depend on how Scott Frost manages at Nebraska. If he can kick that team into high gear it should be a battle between them and Wisconsin for years.
Personally I'd have put eye-wuh a lot lower, especially if PJ and Frost can start recruiting from their base. I'd also have moved Northwestern a bit lower just because of their academics. Maryland and Rutgers would be moved up because of that fertile recruiting ground.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - Policiious - 12-04-2017 01:06 PM
(12-04-2017 09:24 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote: Teddy Greenstein was on Dan McNeil's podcast last week and they talked about his column.
http://radiomisfits.com/dmu24/
He basically said that he gave more "points" to the teams in the west just because the division is seen as easier than the east.
I think much will depend on how Scott Frost manages at Nebraska. If he can kick that team into high gear it should be a battle between them and Wisconsin for years.
Personally I'd have put eye-wuh a lot lower, especially if PJ and Frost can start recruiting from their base. I'd also have moved Northwestern a bit lower just because of their academics. Maryland and Rutgers would be moved up because of that fertile recruiting ground.
Eye Wuh, love that, hilarious. I have some younger relatives that are Iowa alums and they can get arrogant about Iowa's athletics which lately have not been anything great. Frost is going to have to work FLorda hard and effective to improve Nebraska because the Cornhuskers are as far down as I have ever seen them and I am old.
Fleck will need 2 work the same magic as while there is more talent in Minnesota than Nebraska, it will not be enough to win a Western Division title much less a conference championship and the Gophers have more subtracting of whiners and malcontents to do before they add on new talent.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - Transic_nyc - 12-10-2017 01:38 AM
The Big Ten has to recruit nationally. Yes, there are certain areas that should get more focus. However, the conference will never get to the next level recruiting only locally or across the state line.
One change that could be beneficial is the early visits from high school recruits. Even then, until young recruits change their mindset about playing miles away from home it would have a limited effect.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - Policiious - 12-15-2017 10:18 AM
(12-10-2017 01:38 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote: The Big Ten has to recruit nationally. Yes, there are certain areas that should get more focus. However, the conference will never get to the next level recruiting only locally or across the state line.
One change that could be beneficial is the early visits from high school recruits. Even then, until young recruits change their mindset about playing miles away from home it would have a limited effect.
Agreed about nationally recruiting but now that New Jersey and Maryland plus the states that adjoin them (New York, Virginia, DS Delaware) are now easier to recruit in because there are Big 10 programs nearby; getting top level talent interseted in a Big 10 program should be easier.
Recruiting in Texas should also be easier with the down falls of Texas and Texas A&M. Texas has hit rock bottom and A&M Is not far from that. NU recruits Texas hard and it has helped improve the roster
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - Win5002 - 12-19-2017 11:42 AM
(12-15-2017 10:18 AM)Policiious Wrote:(12-10-2017 01:38 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote: The Big Ten has to recruit nationally. Yes, there are certain areas that should get more focus. However, the conference will never get to the next level recruiting only locally or across the state line.
One change that could be beneficial is the early visits from high school recruits. Even then, until young recruits change their mindset about playing miles away from home it would have a limited effect.
Agreed about nationally recruiting but now that New Jersey and Maryland plus the states that adjoin them (New York, Virginia, DS Delaware) are now easier to recruit in because there are Big 10 programs nearby; getting top level talent interseted in a Big 10 program should be easier.
Recruiting in Texas should also be easier with the down falls of Texas and Texas A&M. Texas has hit rock bottom and A&M Is not far from that. NU recruits Texas hard and it has helped improve the roster
Ask Missouri what its like recruiting Texas now not in the Big 12, and that's even with an SEC team in the league. Nebraska in the B1G may get a player or two from Texas and maybe even a 4 star recruit or two but it won't be the top ranked recruits from the state. More than likely it will be someone Texas, OU, A&M, LSU, and a few others didn't recruit to hard.
If the B1G wanted access to Texas recruits they need to bring Texas & OU into the league but you need to add another Texas school and Rice isn't sufficient for the Longhorns.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - tcufrog86 - 12-19-2017 01:35 PM
(12-19-2017 11:42 AM)Win5002 Wrote:(12-15-2017 10:18 AM)Policiious Wrote:(12-10-2017 01:38 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote: The Big Ten has to recruit nationally. Yes, there are certain areas that should get more focus. However, the conference will never get to the next level recruiting only locally or across the state line.
One change that could be beneficial is the early visits from high school recruits. Even then, until young recruits change their mindset about playing miles away from home it would have a limited effect.
Agreed about nationally recruiting but now that New Jersey and Maryland plus the states that adjoin them (New York, Virginia, DS Delaware) are now easier to recruit in because there are Big 10 programs nearby; getting top level talent interseted in a Big 10 program should be easier.
Recruiting in Texas should also be easier with the down falls of Texas and Texas A&M. Texas has hit rock bottom and A&M Is not far from that. NU recruits Texas hard and it has helped improve the roster
Ask Missouri what its like recruiting Texas now not in the Big 12, and that's even with an SEC team in the league. Nebraska in the B1G may get a player or two from Texas and maybe even a 4 star recruit or two but it won't be the top ranked recruits from the state. More than likely it will be someone Texas, OU, A&M, LSU, and a few others didn't recruit to hard.
If the B1G wanted access to Texas recruits they need to bring Texas & OU into the league but you need to add another Texas school and Rice isn't sufficient for the Longhorns.
Nebraska has definitely slipped in Texas recruiting as well. In 2018 Nebraska currently has 0 commits from Texas in 2017 they had 3 from Texas.
Just picking a few years from Big 12 days. 2008 they had 9 from Texas, 2009 they had 8 from Texas.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - BadgerMJ - 12-20-2017 08:32 AM
(12-19-2017 01:35 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:(12-19-2017 11:42 AM)Win5002 Wrote:(12-15-2017 10:18 AM)Policiious Wrote:(12-10-2017 01:38 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote: The Big Ten has to recruit nationally. Yes, there are certain areas that should get more focus. However, the conference will never get to the next level recruiting only locally or across the state line.
One change that could be beneficial is the early visits from high school recruits. Even then, until young recruits change their mindset about playing miles away from home it would have a limited effect.
Agreed about nationally recruiting but now that New Jersey and Maryland plus the states that adjoin them (New York, Virginia, DS Delaware) are now easier to recruit in because there are Big 10 programs nearby; getting top level talent interseted in a Big 10 program should be easier.
Recruiting in Texas should also be easier with the down falls of Texas and Texas A&M. Texas has hit rock bottom and A&M Is not far from that. NU recruits Texas hard and it has helped improve the roster
Ask Missouri what its like recruiting Texas now not in the Big 12, and that's even with an SEC team in the league. Nebraska in the B1G may get a player or two from Texas and maybe even a 4 star recruit or two but it won't be the top ranked recruits from the state. More than likely it will be someone Texas, OU, A&M, LSU, and a few others didn't recruit to hard.
If the B1G wanted access to Texas recruits they need to bring Texas & OU into the league but you need to add another Texas school and Rice isn't sufficient for the Longhorns.
Nebraska has definitely slipped in Texas recruiting as well. In 2018 Nebraska currently has 0 commits from Texas in 2017 they had 3 from Texas.
Just picking a few years from Big 12 days. 2008 they had 9 from Texas, 2009 they had 8 from Texas.
I think it would be safe to say that Nebraska's recruiting has slipped in more than just Texas.
Back in their hey-day they recruited well coast to coast. It should be interesting to see if Frost can use his Florida connections to create a pipeline to Nebraska and perhaps reconnecting to Texas.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - TerpsNPhoenix - 12-20-2017 07:50 PM
Maryland still has 4 teams ahead of them but coach Durkin and staff are working their tails off. At the end of the first day of the early signing period, 20 of 22 commits signed (the 2 who didn't weren't expected to sign until February anyway and 15 of the 22 are from the DMV). Had a former 5 star transfer in and picked up another 3 star WR. In addition to the 2 who are waiting until February, a 4 star RB could come to the Terps after he de-committed from USC last week. Now, for the first time ever, the Terps gave back to back top 25 classes. So, I'd have to say Maryland's football future is looking pretty good.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - GE and MTS - 12-23-2017 08:38 AM
The Big Ten is doing pretty well recruiting. They've got five teams in the top 25 on 247, with two in the top five. I'm slightly surprised Wisconsin is so low at 38, but they don't have a great natural recruiting area in their part of the country. Northwestern is the lowest ranked Big Ten school at 53 which is unfortunate for them because that is pretty respectable nationally even if there are 65 P5 schools. They really overachieve for the limitations put on the program.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - Policiious - 12-26-2017 01:22 PM
(12-19-2017 11:42 AM)Win5002 Wrote:(12-15-2017 10:18 AM)Policiious Wrote:(12-10-2017 01:38 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:
Agreed about nationally recruiting but now that New Jersey and Maryland plus the states that adjoin them (New York, Virginia, DS Delaware) are now easier to recruit in because there are Big 10 programs nearby; getting top level talent interseted in a Big 10 program should be easier.
Recruiting in Texas should also be easier with the down falls of Texas and Texas A&M. Texas has hit rock bottom and A&M Is not far from that. NU recruits Texas hard and it has helped improve the roster
Ask Missouri what its like recruiting Texas now not in the Big 12, and that's even with an SEC team in the league. Nebraska in the B1G may get a player or two from Texas and maybe even a 4 star recruit or two but it won't be the top ranked recruits from the state. More than likely it will be someone Texas, OU, A&M, LSU, and a few others didn't recruit to hard.
If the B1G wanted access to Texas recruits they need to bring Texas & OU into the league but you need to add another Texas school and Rice isn't sufficient for the Longhorns.
Northwestern is getting better talent out of Texas the last 5 years, some of that has to do with more emphasis on Texas talent and NU investing millions in new facilities but I believe some of that also has to do with Texas and A&M in a down cycle. Not sure why Nebraska's recruiting in Texas has suffered but now that they've hired a head coach with ties in Florida I would bet that is where they will be looking to harvest talent.
RE: Which Big 10 athletic program is best if you have to win a title in 5 years - Policiious - 12-26-2017 01:34 PM
(12-23-2017 08:38 AM)GE and MTS Wrote: The Big Ten is doing pretty well recruiting. They've got five teams in the top 25 on 247, with two in the top five. I'm slightly surprised Wisconsin is so low at 38, but they don't have a great natural recruiting area in their part of the country. Northwestern is the lowest ranked Big Ten school at 53 which is unfortunate for them because that is pretty respectable nationally even if there are 65 P5 schools. They really overachieve for the limitations put on the program.
NU's ranking at least is in part due to the low number of offers they have available this year, 16. The class average is 3 with Ohio State having the conference's highest at 3.86. Nebraska is the only Big 10 program with fewer offers at 14.