Quote:In the week following the Las Vegas massacre on October 1, polls showed that nearly 75 percent of registered voters in gun-owning households supported a ban on bump stocks. Yet despite the public sentiment, an analysis by The Trace of comments submitted in response to a government proposal to regulate bump stocks shows that 85 percent of commenters opposed the measure.

Quote:After public outcry following the mass shooting, the ATF announced in December that it would again explore the possibility of regulating bump stocks by reclassifying them as machine guns. As an early step in the evaluation process, the agency initiated a public comment period to solicit input from manufacturers, retailers, and consumers — parties that would be impacted should the rules on bump stocks change. The window for public comments closed on January 25, and all told, the agency received more than 36,000 submissions, which are still being reviewed and posted online.

The Trace downloaded the text of more than 32,000 of the comments and used computer scripts to parse and analyze them. The comments overwhelmingly opposed regulating bump stocks. Only 13 percent were in support of the proposal to regulate the devices. (Another 2 percent didn’t express a clear stance.)

Quote:Twenty percent of the comments mirrored a form letter promoted by the Gun Owners of America, which opposes the regulation. Of those supporting ATF regulation, the majority of form letter submissions — a little over 6 percent of the total — came from a letter generated by the Giffords Law Center. An additional 2 percent of comments consisted of form letters promoted by other organizations.

The majority of comments — 72 percent, or about 23,000 — were unique responses written by individuals. To estimate the stances of these opinions, The Trace pulled a random sample of 1,000 submissions and labeled them as being for or against the regulation of bump stocks. Of the comments included in the sample, roughly 89 percent were written in opposition to the regulation, and 9 percent in support.

Quote:An additional round of analysis of our sample group revealed certain characteristics among unique commenters. For example, commenters who opposed the regulation were more verbose, writing messages that were on average 45 percent longer than those supporting the regulation of bump stocks.

Anti-regulation commenters were also more likely to mention the technical aspects of a gun, the ATF’s rule-making process, and the Constitution, while those favoring the regulation were much more likely to mention the Las Vegas massacre, as well as other mass shootings like the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, which left 20 children and six educators dead.

(02-09-2018 12:43 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  And winos don't want you to take away their liquor.

(02-09-2018 08:03 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 12:43 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  And winos don't want you to take away their liquor.

Exactly. And unfortunately, none of those killed in the massacre were able to respond to the survey.

(02-09-2018 02:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Why do you continue to post?

(02-10-2018 04:01 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Just use your belt. Or a 2x4 and a dowel rod if you want to get fancy.

People who like to burn through ammo and not hit a target have been doing this since Moses wore short pants.

(02-10-2018 01:32 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Have people learned nothing from Prohibition? Doing this won't take away a bump stock from someone who wants to use it. It will just spur a black market for the item. It's just like the rule with Automatics. You can go to a dozen or so websites and buy one.

(02-10-2018 07:42 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 01:32 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Have people learned nothing from Prohibition? Doing this won't take away a bump stock from someone who wants to use it. It will just spur a black market for the item. It's just like the rule with Automatics. You can go to a dozen or so websites and buy one.

And heroin should be sold at Walmart. After all, anyone can get it.

(02-10-2018 07:42 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 01:32 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Have people learned nothing from Prohibition? Doing this won't take away a bump stock from someone who wants to use it. It will just spur a black market for the item. It's just like the rule with Automatics. You can go to a dozen or so websites and buy one.

And heroin should be sold at Walmart. After all, anyone can get it.

(02-11-2018 12:06 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 07:42 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 01:32 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Have people learned nothing from Prohibition? Doing this won't take away a bump stock from someone who wants to use it. It will just spur a black market for the item. It's just like the rule with Automatics. You can go to a dozen or so websites and buy one.

And heroin should be sold at Walmart. After all, anyone can get it.

just wow.....I've read some really stupid shite on this board......that one just made the top 10.....

there's zero logic at any level of reasoning in that comparative......

(02-11-2018 04:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Bump stocks. By my observation, they are an excellent way to increase fire rate while dramatically reducing accuracy.

America just isn't ready to have a grown-up conversation about firearms. When your focus is trying to stop something that is by definition quite rare you aren't ready for the grown-up conversation yet.

The world just isn't filled up with people pulling out long barrel firearms to knock over liquor stores, stop and robs, home invasions and shooting up the corner of your rival gang.

Firearm-related deaths fall into two fat categories.
1. Middle-aged white males dying by their own hand, sometimes with a cleaning kit helpfully opened nearby to ease issues with the life insurer. Handgun is primarily the weapon of choice.
2. Minority males under about age 25 who are either in criminal activity or damn unfortunate to live in a neighborhood where being a bystander hit by gunfire is actually a thing. Again handguns are primarily the weapon of choice.

Want to offer solutions dealing with category 1 or 2 that are compliant with 2A I am happy to listen. If you are interested in political theater to address a rarity spare me how much you care.

(02-10-2018 07:42 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 01:32 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Have people learned nothing from Prohibition? Doing this won't take away a bump stock from someone who wants to use it. It will just spur a black market for the item. It's just like the rule with Automatics. You can go to a dozen or so websites and buy one.

And heroin should be sold at Walmart. After all, anyone can get it.

(02-11-2018 07:10 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  ...what statistically happens when you "allow and monitor" the distribution of a dangerous substance.