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American conference headquarters - Michael in Raleigh - 02-27-2018 12:29 AM
A few years ago there was a rumor that AAC headquarters were going to move from Providence to Dallas. While that obviously has not happened, Mike Aresco and the league office hardly stated any long term commitment to Providence.
https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2015/09/24/Colleges/AAC.aspx
Is moving out of a State in which the league has no teams still a possibility?
RE: American conference headquarters - Attackcoog - 02-27-2018 01:39 AM
(02-27-2018 12:29 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote: A few years ago there was a rumor that AAC headquarters were going to move from Providence to Dallas. While that obviously has not happened, Mike Aresco and the league office hardly stated any long term commitment to Providence.
https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2015/09/24/Colleges/AAC.aspx
Is moving out of a State in which the league has no teams still a possibility?
Its pretty much a done deal. They are just waiting until the current lease on the HQ space in Providence ends. I think it has a couple of years or so left.
RE: American conference headquarters - C2__ - 02-27-2018 01:47 AM
Why does every conference have to be based in Dallas?
RE: American conference headquarters - McKinney - 02-27-2018 02:35 AM
Why does it even matter where a conference is based?
RE: American conference headquarters - Carolina_Low_Country - 02-27-2018 07:39 AM
Should move to Raleigh.
RE: American conference headquarters - bullet - 02-27-2018 09:03 AM
(02-27-2018 01:47 AM)_C2_ Wrote: Why does every conference have to be based in Dallas?DFW airport.
The odd one is the SEC staying in Birmingham.
RE: American conference headquarters - C2__ - 02-27-2018 09:23 AM
You'd certainly figure it would have moved to Atlanta or Nashville by now.
I'm surprised it's not gonna be in Irving or Frisco, you know how Dallas likes for everyone to know about its suburbs.
RE: American conference headquarters - Michael in Raleigh - 02-27-2018 09:57 AM
"A league representative said there have been discussions in the past about moving the conference headquarters. New York and Orlando were once in consideration and, now, Dallas is considered to be the most centralized location for all 12 schools and is being discussed as a possible future headquarters.
"But a move could be a long way away. The conference has a five-year lease in Providence and, behind the scenes, there is no groundswell movement for a venue change."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/knights-notepad/os-aac-football-media-day-post.html
This is from August of 2015. So can we assume it'll move to Dallas (or Irving or wherever) in 2020?
Side note: the clambake that's talked about in the article sounds awesome. That may be worth continuing even if/when the HQ moves.
RE: American conference headquarters - McKinney - 02-27-2018 10:30 AM
(02-27-2018 09:03 AM)bullet Wrote:(02-27-2018 01:47 AM)_C2_ Wrote: Why does every conference have to be based in Dallas?DFW airport.
The odd one is the SEC staying in Birmingham.
Ahhhh I forgot that Dallas is the only city in America with a major airport
RE: American conference headquarters - bullet - 02-27-2018 11:09 AM
(02-27-2018 10:30 AM)McKinney Wrote:(02-27-2018 09:03 AM)bullet Wrote:(02-27-2018 01:47 AM)_C2_ Wrote: Why does every conference have to be based in Dallas?DFW airport.
The odd one is the SEC staying in Birmingham.
Ahhhh I forgot that Dallas is the only city in America with a major airport
Providence sure doesn't have one. Between the coastal states, its Dallas, Denver and Chicago. Las Vegas has pretty good domestic connections.
RE: American conference headquarters - bullet - 02-27-2018 11:13 AM
https://www.travelmiles101.com/list-of-major-airline-hubs/
Other than Dallas, Denver, Chicago and Las Vegas, the only other cities even with major airline hubs between the coasts are Houston (UAL, SW), Phoenix (AA, SW), Detroit (Delta) and Minneapolis (Delta). Cincinnati is listed as a Delta hub, but they are a shell of what they once were since the Delta-NW merger.
RE: American conference headquarters - quo vadis - 02-27-2018 11:16 AM
It doesn't matter where AAC headquarters are, as the conference has no geographic center of gravity.
The AAC's identity is "the best football schools east of continental divide that aren't in the P5". That's basically no identity at all, so as long as the HQ is east of the Rockies, it's fine.
RE: American conference headquarters - Attackcoog - 02-27-2018 12:27 PM
(02-27-2018 11:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote: It doesn't matter where AAC headquarters are, as the conference has no geographic center of gravity.
The AAC's identity is "the best football schools east of continental divide that aren't in the P5". That's basically no identity at all, so as long as the HQ is east of the Rockies, it's fine.
Dallas makes more sense that Providence (which is not a major hub nor the home of any AAC school). AAC member SMU is located in Dallas and it is a major travel hub. There also might be some synergies to being in the same city as the HQ's of the Big12 and CUSA. Its also worth mentioning that 3 G5 bowls (2 with P5 opponents) are located in the Dallas Metroplex--and the area is host to many major college events due to Jerry World.
Overall, its not a bad place to put the HQ of an aspirational conference.
RE: American conference headquarters - Stugray2 - 02-27-2018 12:56 PM
(02-27-2018 11:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote: It doesn't matter where AAC headquarters are, as the conference has no geographic center of gravity.
The AAC's identity is "the best football schools east of continental divide that aren't in the P5". That's basically no identity at all, so as long as the HQ is east of the Rockies, it's fine.
If you average the geographic coordinates, the center of gravity is somewhere in the triangle formed by Birmingham, Chattanooga and Atlanta. Atlanta is closest to that center.
The conference is mostly southern schools (UCF, USF, ECU, Memphis, Tulane and I would argue Houston as that corner of Texas is part of the deep South), with a number of schools lying on its border (Temple just north of the Mason-Dixon, Navy actually south of it, Cincy straddling the Kentucky border, SMU and Tulsa in the southern influenced plains, with Wichita not that far north of Tulsa). Only UConn is solidly outside the reach of the south. (Heck swap them for UAB or USM and Birmingham would be the geographic center).
Atlanta is the logical central location. The problem is the SEC HQ is there, also, but then again only Georgia Tech is physically in town (well UGa isn't that far away). Houston or Dallas or Memphis (thanks to FedEx) are the other hubs that get you out of the Bos-Wash corridor.
I thought this was settled and Dallas was where they were headed. What changed?
RE: American conference headquarters - McKinney - 02-27-2018 01:09 PM
(02-27-2018 12:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:(02-27-2018 11:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote: It doesn't matter where AAC headquarters are, as the conference has no geographic center of gravity.
The AAC's identity is "the best football schools east of continental divide that aren't in the P5". That's basically no identity at all, so as long as the HQ is east of the Rockies, it's fine.
If you average the geographic coordinates, the center of gravity is somewhere in the triangle formed by Birmingham, Chattanooga and Atlanta. Atlanta is closest to that center.
The conference is mostly southern schools (UCF, USF, ECU, Memphis, Tulane and I would argue Houston as that corner of Texas is part of the deep South), with a number of schools lying on its border (Temple just north of the Mason-Dixon, Navy actually south of it, Cincy straddling the Kentucky border, SMU and Tulsa in the southern influenced plains, with Wichita not that far north of Tulsa). Only UConn is solidly outside the reach of the south. (Heck swap them for UAB or USM and Birmingham would be the geographic center).
Atlanta is the logical central location. The problem is the SEC HQ is there, also, but then again only Georgia Tech is physically in town (well UGa isn't that far away). Houston or Dallas or Memphis (thanks to FedEx) are the other hubs that get you out of the Bos-Wash corridor.
I thought this was settled and Dallas was where they were headed. What changed?
Center of minimum distance, closest major metro area would be Memphis: http://www.geomidpoint.com/?ml=34.63672&mn=-88.84866&l=28.602427|39.132922|41.807741|35.605511|29.719949|35.118741|28.058703|32.841218|39.981194|29.940348|36.151988|37.719393&n=-81.20006|-84.51495|-72.253981|-77.364565|-95.342233|-89.937141|-82.413854|-96.784517|-75.155351|-90.120728|-95.946|-97.292869&a=4000+Central+Florida+Blvd,+Orlando,+FL+32816,+USA|2600+Clifton+Ave,+Cincinnati,+OH+45220,+USA|Storrs,+CT+06269,+USA|E+5th+St,+Greenville,+NC+27858,+USA|4800+Calhoun+Rd,+Houston,+TX+77004,+USA|3720+Alumni+Ave,+Memphis,+TN+38152,+USA|4202+E+Fowler+Ave,+Tampa,+FL+33620,+USA|Dallas,+TX+75205,+USA|1801+N+Broad+St,+Philadelphia,+PA+19122,+USA|6823+St+Charles+Ave,+New+Orleans,+LA+70118,+USA|800+S+Tucker+Dr,+Tulsa,+OK+74104,+USA|1845+Fairmount+St,+Wichita,+KS+67260,+USA&cl=35.22353&cn=-84.77342&z=4&x=0&c=1&p=1&r=1&w=1
Centroid, closest metro is Huntsville, AL: http://www.geomidpoint.com/?ml=34.84845&mn=-86.69877&l=28.602427|39.132922|41.807741|35.605511|29.719949|35.118741|28.058703|32.841218|39.981194|29.940348|36.151988|37.719393&n=-81.20006|-84.51495|-72.253981|-77.364565|-95.342233|-89.937141|-82.413854|-96.784517|-75.155351|-90.120728|-95.946|-97.292869&a=4000+Central+Florida+Blvd,+Orlando,+FL+32816,+USA|2600+Clifton+Ave,+Cincinnati,+OH+45220,+USA|Storrs,+CT+06269,+USA|E+5th+St,+Greenville,+NC+27858,+USA|4800+Calhoun+Rd,+Houston,+TX+77004,+USA|3720+Alumni+Ave,+Memphis,+TN+38152,+USA|4202+E+Fowler+Ave,+Tampa,+FL+33620,+USA|Dallas,+TX+75205,+USA|1801+N+Broad+St,+Philadelphia,+PA+19122,+USA|6823+St+Charles+Ave,+New+Orleans,+LA+70118,+USA|800+S+Tucker+Dr,+Tulsa,+OK+74104,+USA|1845+Fairmount+St,+Wichita,+KS+67260,+USA&cl=34.7708&cn=-86.43937&z=9&x=0&c=0&p=1&r=1&w=1
My vote would be for a move to Memphis, but as stated earlier AAC (unlike its Big East predecessor) has no true geographic base so it doesn't really matter.
RE: American conference headquarters - Michael in Raleigh - 02-27-2018 01:40 PM
(02-27-2018 12:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:(02-27-2018 11:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote: It doesn't matter where AAC headquarters are, as the conference has no geographic center of gravity.
The AAC's identity is "the best football schools east of continental divide that aren't in the P5". That's basically no identity at all, so as long as the HQ is east of the Rockies, it's fine.
If you average the geographic coordinates, the center of gravity is somewhere in the triangle formed by Birmingham, Chattanooga and Atlanta. Atlanta is closest to that center.
The conference is mostly southern schools (UCF, USF, ECU, Memphis, Tulane and I would argue Houston as that corner of Texas is part of the deep South), with a number of schools lying on its border (Temple just north of the Mason-Dixon, Navy actually south of it, Cincy straddling the Kentucky border, SMU and Tulsa in the southern influenced plains, with Wichita not that far north of Tulsa). Only UConn is solidly outside the reach of the south. (Heck swap them for UAB or USM and Birmingham would be the geographic center).
Atlanta is the logical central location. The problem is the SEC HQ is there, also, but then again only Georgia Tech is physically in town (well UGa isn't that far away). Houston or Dallas or Memphis (thanks to FedEx) are the other hubs that get you out of the Bos-Wash corridor.
I thought this was settled and Dallas was where they were headed. What changed?
The problem with Atlanta is that even though it's more or less the geographic center, it's not near anyone. Nor is it in a state with one of the schools. Dallas isn't too far from SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Tulsa, or Wichita. For a geographically disparate conference, that's as good as it can get.
Attackcoug made a good point about synergy with other Dogs,1 leagues. I would just add that it can't hurt to be near the CFP HQ, too.
As for, "Why are so many leagues based in the Dallas area?" The Southland is filled with Texas and Louisiana schools. C-USA has had four Texas schools since 2005. The Big 12 was chosen over Kansas City for it's headquarters at its founding largely due to internal politics and the U of Texas's huge influence. As for the AAC's desire to move there, all the reasons mentioned by myself and others play a role. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a financial incentive. The state of Texas has a reputation for being business-friendly, so maybe there are tax and costs savings that play a role, too.
RE: American conference headquarters - quo vadis - 02-27-2018 01:46 PM
(02-27-2018 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-27-2018 11:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote: It doesn't matter where AAC headquarters are, as the conference has no geographic center of gravity.
The AAC's identity is "the best football schools east of continental divide that aren't in the P5". That's basically no identity at all, so as long as the HQ is east of the Rockies, it's fine.
Dallas makes more sense that Providence (which is not a major hub nor the home of any AAC school). AAC member SMU is located in Dallas and it is a major travel hub. There also might be some synergies to being in the same city as the HQ's of the Big12 and CUSA. Its also worth mentioning that 3 G5 bowls (2 with P5 opponents) are located in the Dallas Metroplex--and the area is host to many major college events due to Jerry World.
Overall, its not a bad place to put the HQ of an aspirational conference.
IMO, Dallas is about as far-flung as Providence. Providence is obviously way out of the way, and exists only as the vestige of the old Big East.
But Dallas, too, is WAY to the west of the conference's footprint. As someone else pointed out, the actual geo-center is between Birmingham and Atlanta. The problem with that is there isn't an actual AAC team within hundreds of miles, and putting an HQ in the heart of SEC territory is suicide in terms of getting any publicity.
Orlando, too, is way out of the way, far to the south of most of the conference.
Probably the best we can do in terms of a combination of geography and a media hub would be someplace like Memphis.
RE: American conference headquarters - billybobby777 - 02-27-2018 01:49 PM
(02-27-2018 12:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:(02-27-2018 11:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote: It doesn't matter where AAC headquarters are, as the conference has no geographic center of gravity.
The AAC's identity is "the best football schools east of continental divide that aren't in the P5". That's basically no identity at all, so as long as the HQ is east of the Rockies, it's fine.
If you average the geographic coordinates, the center of gravity is somewhere in the triangle formed by Birmingham, Chattanooga and Atlanta. Atlanta is closest to that center.
The conference is mostly southern schools (UCF, USF, ECU, Memphis, Tulane and I would argue Houston as that corner of Texas is part of the deep South), with a number of schools lying on its border (Temple just north of the Mason-Dixon, Navy actually south of it, Cincy straddling the Kentucky border, SMU and Tulsa in the southern influenced plains, with Wichita not that far north of Tulsa). Only UConn is solidly outside the reach of the south. (Heck swap them for UAB or USM and Birmingham would be the geographic center).
Atlanta is the logical central location. The problem is the SEC HQ is there, also, but then again only Georgia Tech is physically in town (well UGa isn't that far away). Houston or Dallas or Memphis (thanks to FedEx) are the other hubs that get you out of the Bos-Wash corridor.
I thought this was settled and Dallas was where they were headed. What changed?
Mike Aresco has always made it clear he didn’t want to leave his office in Providence. He nenewed the lease AFTER the Big East split, causing a huge controversy on our board. I could dig up the threads but I’d get in trouble so....
*I don’t care much for Aresco. I must always put that out there as a disclaimer.
RE: American conference headquarters - UTEPDallas - 02-27-2018 02:01 PM
Dallas makes sense for many reasons. It’s the hub for two major airlines with hundreds of daily non stops and it’s conveniently located in the middle of the country. You’re only 3 hours away or less from LA, NY, Chicago, SF, Miami, Atlanta, Denver, Phoenix, Orlando, Vegas, etc. It’s a cheap place to fly to/from. It’s the reason why the Big XII moved from Kansas City and C-USA from Chicago.
RE: American conference headquarters - Wilkie01 - 02-27-2018 02:08 PM
A headquarter needs to be centered in a city, which is in the middle of the conferences footprint, that will support conference championship events,.
