(03-08-2018 01:08 PM)ShockerDR Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:48 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:45 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  WCC ratings down. Guess who played? BYU and their "tremendous" following

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2018/03/mls-ratings-premier-league-college-hoops/

Interesting, .6 rating down 38% from last years final of Gonzaga vs St Mary’s.
The MVC final of Loyola Chicago vs Illinois St got a 1.2.
So almost a million more people watched the Missouri Valley final than the WCC final this year. And BYU is the reason. Gonzaga will want out of that league now without BYU.

Bear in mind the MVC final was on a Sunday on CBS at 2pm eastern. WCC final was on a Tuesday on ESPN at 9pm eastern.

Not saying BYU is the reason fewer people watched the WCC final, but ...

(03-08-2018 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Gonzaga sounding pretty much like a done deal. They seem to have moved on to the question of "What will BYU do?" Thats a huge home run for the MW if they can get BYU back for all sports---and its a solid double or triple if they just land Zags and BYU for olympic's.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-mountain-west-gonzaga-byu-analysis-20180307-story.html

Quote:One source said they are so far along that Mountain West presidents hoped to vote on Gonzaga’s inclusion as early as this week when they meet at the conference basketball tournament in Las Vegas. It has since been pushed back until early April, after the Final Four.

Quote:The Mountain West is exclusively talking with Gonzaga and trying to finalize that deal. Only then might it approach BYU, or vice versa.

Quote:If Gonzaga is willing to come without BYU, as appears to be the case, it gives the Mountain West the upper hand in any negotiations with Provo: Come on our terms, or good luck in the WCC.

(03-08-2018 06:32 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 03:24 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:51 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:42 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:20 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Even given western distances, NMSU is not all that more distant from the MVC core than BYU. BYU is not exactly particularly close to any WCC team as it is. The only other options would be the WAC, a major step down even farther than the WCC and the Big Sky. The good thing about the Big Sky is it would be a regular auto-bid each season should they ever choose that.

In basketball, the Big Sky as a conference has never had a higher RPI than the WAC. I just don’t see how the WAC is a step down from the Big Sky. This season, the WCC is #13 in conference RPI ranking and the WAC is #14. The WAC is better than you think.

Or that any conference rated below #10 in the RPI is essentially garbage.

Yeah, after the top 2 or 3 of most 1-bid leagues, the teams are more or less interchangeable. Who in the WAC after the top 2 are inherently better than the Big Sky? I don't mean that in a side-by-side comparison way either. Who long term would you take from the WAC would you take over anyone in the Big Sky outside NMSU? I wouldn't even put much stock in Utah Valley.

This is why I hate the term low major.

Power (P7)
High Mid Major (a few more, G5 because of budgets)
Mid Major (everyone else)

Those are more the 3 levels. The whole 1-10, 11-20, 21-30 subdivision doesn't have a lot of weight when universities from the bottom group constantly move to the second one.

(03-08-2018 06:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 05:52 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 05:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 11:37 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 11:04 PM)michael.stevens.3110 Wrote:  Rice U would be a great addition to the MW ...They have the potential to be the next TCU ... excellent academics .. excellent Baseball ..located in the Hotbed of a high School Football recruiting .. ALL. MW teams would LOVE to play at least once in a while in Texas ...


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Yeah - UNLV, SDSU, and UNM are all dying to play in front of less than 10k in humid Houston for football and less than 1k in basketball!!!!!

New Mexico would, you’re damn right. The other Mountain Division programs as well. Why do people ignore printed facts? The MWC is attracted to playing in Texas.

Then you don't grab Rice, you grab UTSA or Texas State. Even UNT may work if you just wanna do it for recruiting.

Except that academics and silly things like image matter to school presidents. Rice improves the academic standing of the conference and I'm sure Air Force is all-aboard in inviting them. Wyoming, Colorado State, and San Diego State are all respectable and would benefit from the association.

UTSA, Texas State, and UNT were not even on the Big XII's extended list, much less the finalists. I think that's the best measurement in the totem pole that is expansion.

(03-08-2018 08:45 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  WCC ratings down. Guess who played? BYU and their "tremendous" following

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2018/03/mls-ratings-premier-league-college-hoops/

(03-08-2018 01:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Gonzaga sounding pretty much like a done deal. They seem to have moved on to the question of "What will BYU do?" Thats a huge home run for the MW if they can get BYU back for all sports---and its a solid double or triple if they just land Zags and BYU for olympic's.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-mountain-west-gonzaga-byu-analysis-20180307-story.html

If this article is correct, they will vote after the Final Four to invite Gonzaga, and that might be all they do.

Quote:One source said they are so far along that Mountain West presidents hoped to vote on Gonzaga’s inclusion as early as this week when they meet at the conference basketball tournament in Las Vegas. It has since been pushed back until early April, after the Final Four.

Quote:The Mountain West is exclusively talking with Gonzaga and trying to finalize that deal. Only then might it approach BYU, or vice versa.

Quote:If Gonzaga is willing to come without BYU, as appears to be the case, it gives the Mountain West the upper hand in any negotiations with Provo: Come on our terms, or good luck in the WCC.

(03-08-2018 09:48 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:45 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  WCC ratings down. Guess who played? BYU and their "tremendous" following

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2018/03/mls-ratings-premier-league-college-hoops/

Interesting, .6 rating down 38% from last years final of Gonzaga vs St Mary’s.
The MVC final of Loyola Chicago vs Illinois St got a 1.2.
So almost a million more people watched the Missouri Valley final than the WCC final this year. And BYU is the reason. Gonzaga will want out of that league now without BYU.

(03-08-2018 01:41 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  No, it just means they don't have a huge following.

(03-08-2018 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Gonzaga sounding pretty much like a done deal. They seem to have moved on to the question of "What will BYU do?" Thats a huge home run for the MW if they can get BYU back for all sports---and its a solid double or triple if they just land Zags and BYU for olympic's. Unless they are stupid, I dont see how the MW gets less than a solid double or triple out o this move. Pretty shrewd move by Thompson.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-mountain-west-gonzaga-byu-analysis-20180307-story.html

(03-08-2018 03:21 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Gonzaga sounding pretty much like a done deal. They seem to have moved on to the question of "What will BYU do?" Thats a huge home run for the MW if they can get BYU back for all sports---and its a solid double or triple if they just land Zags and BYU for olympic's. Unless they are stupid, I dont see how the MW gets less than a solid double or triple out o this move. Pretty shrewd move by Thompson.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-mountain-west-gonzaga-byu-analysis-20180307-story.html

The article is interesting, but for Gonzaga to leave the WCC they need to get a financial deal from the Mountain West that is as good as what they currently earn in the WCC. Below is the money earned by each team last season in the NCAA Tournament:

https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/how-much-money-ncaa-tournament-earned-conference-2017-basketball-fund-a7a7

Gonzaga and St. Mary's earned almost $12 million for the WCC last season. Nevada earned $1.7 million for the MWC. When Gonzaga leaves, all the money they earned stays with the WCC. So how does Gonzaga make up for the loss in basketball revenue?

If the MWC cuts Gonzaga a sweetheart deal to join the conference, the same deal would not be available for BYU. If Gonzaga were to leave the WCC, there really is no reason for BYU to leave the WCC right away. The financial units or revenue that Gonzaga earned through their basketball success will still be there for the next few years. That revenue and having a much better shot at the WCC auto bid should keep BYU in the WCC for the next 3-4 years if Gonzaga leaves.

(03-08-2018 03:21 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Gonzaga sounding pretty much like a done deal. They seem to have moved on to the question of "What will BYU do?" Thats a huge home run for the MW if they can get BYU back for all sports---and its a solid double or triple if they just land Zags and BYU for olympic's. Unless they are stupid, I dont see how the MW gets less than a solid double or triple out o this move. Pretty shrewd move by Thompson.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-mountain-west-gonzaga-byu-analysis-20180307-story.html

The article is interesting, but for Gonzaga to leave the WCC they need to get a financial deal from the Mountain West that is as good as what they currently earn in the WCC. Below is the money earned by each team last season in the NCAA Tournament:

https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/how-much-money-ncaa-tournament-earned-conference-2017-basketball-fund-a7a7

Gonzaga and St. Mary's earned almost $12 million for the WCC last season. Nevada earned $1.7 million for the MWC. When Gonzaga leaves, all the money they earned stays with the WCC. So how does Gonzaga make up for the loss in basketball revenue?

If the MWC cuts Gonzaga a sweetheart deal to join the conference, the same deal would not be available for BYU. If Gonzaga were to leave the WCC, there really is no reason for BYU to leave the WCC right away. The financial units or revenue that Gonzaga earned through their basketball success will still be there for the next few years. That revenue and having a much better shot at the WCC auto bid should keep BYU in the WCC for the next 3-4 years if Gonzaga leaves.

(03-08-2018 03:21 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Gonzaga sounding pretty much like a done deal. They seem to have moved on to the question of "What will BYU do?" Thats a huge home run for the MW if they can get BYU back for all sports---and its a solid double or triple if they just land Zags and BYU for olympic's. Unless they are stupid, I dont see how the MW gets less than a solid double or triple out o this move. Pretty shrewd move by Thompson.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-mountain-west-gonzaga-byu-analysis-20180307-story.html

The article is interesting, but for Gonzaga to leave the WCC they need to get a financial deal from the Mountain West that is as good as what they currently earn in the WCC. Below is the money earned by each team last season in the NCAA Tournament:

https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/how-much-money-ncaa-tournament-earned-conference-2017-basketball-fund-a7a7

Gonzaga and St. Mary's earned almost $12 million for the WCC last season. Nevada earned $1.7 million for the MWC. When Gonzaga leaves, all the money they earned stays with the WCC. So how does Gonzaga make up for the loss in basketball revenue?

If the MWC cuts Gonzaga a sweetheart deal to join the conference, the same deal would not be available for BYU. If Gonzaga were to leave the WCC, there really is no reason for BYU to leave the WCC right away. The financial units or revenue that Gonzaga earned through their basketball success will still be there for the next few years. That revenue and having a much better shot at the WCC auto bid should keep BYU in the WCC for the next 3-4 years if Gonzaga leaves.

(03-08-2018 03:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 03:21 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Gonzaga sounding pretty much like a done deal. They seem to have moved on to the question of "What will BYU do?" Thats a huge home run for the MW if they can get BYU back for all sports---and its a solid double or triple if they just land Zags and BYU for olympic's. Unless they are stupid, I dont see how the MW gets less than a solid double or triple out o this move. Pretty shrewd move by Thompson.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-mountain-west-gonzaga-byu-analysis-20180307-story.html

The article is interesting, but for Gonzaga to leave the WCC they need to get a financial deal from the Mountain West that is as good as what they currently earn in the WCC. Below is the money earned by each team last season in the NCAA Tournament:

https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/how-much-money-ncaa-tournament-earned-conference-2017-basketball-fund-a7a7

Gonzaga and St. Mary's earned almost $12 million for the WCC last season. Nevada earned $1.7 million for the MWC. When Gonzaga leaves, all the money they earned stays with the WCC. So how does Gonzaga make up for the loss in basketball revenue?

If the MWC cuts Gonzaga a sweetheart deal to join the conference, the same deal would not be available for BYU. If Gonzaga were to leave the WCC, there really is no reason for BYU to leave the WCC right away. The financial units or revenue that Gonzaga earned through their basketball success will still be there for the next few years. That revenue and having a much better shot at the WCC auto bid should keep BYU in the WCC for the next 3-4 years if Gonzaga leaves.

Each conference has its own revenue distribution rules but we can probably be safe assuming that Gonzaga gets no more than 12.5% of that money and no less than 8.3%. The high figure would be Gonzaga taking extra shares as a bonus, the bottom figure would represent equal sharing after the conference office deducts enough to fund the year's operations.

The revenue is spread over six years so when you start sharing with the league office, sure Gonzaga is leaving a lot of money but very little of it was ever going to land in their bank account.

(03-08-2018 02:30 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  No it doesn't. How do those 18k help TV ratings? If BYU had a huge following, the champ game ratings would be higher over a team like St. Marys.

Having good attendance at your home games, does not mean you have a huge following. Nobody cares about BYU outside of Utah. They're just another school. If they were Notre Dame or Gonzaga like, more people would watch their games.

BYU has won 3 NCAA tournament games the last 25 years. They are an after thought. Ratings like this - prove that.

(03-08-2018 05:11 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 02:30 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  No it doesn't. How do those 18k help TV ratings? If BYU had a huge following, the champ game ratings would be higher over a team like St. Marys.

Having good attendance at your home games, does not mean you have a huge following. Nobody cares about BYU outside of Utah. They're just another school. If they were Notre Dame or Gonzaga like, more people would watch their games.

BYU has won 3 NCAA tournament games the last 25 years. They are an after thought. Ratings like this - prove that.

I'm not from Utah and neither are over 50% of BYU's fans and alumni.

You are correct that BYU is an afterthought this year - they're an NIT bubble team. But BYU does have a huge following.