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RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - NoDak - 03-26-2018 05:44 PM
Think there is another issue here, and that is a potential divide among DI schools, maybe with FBS. Gonzaga needs to position itself in a higher conference, as the WCC would be on the bottom side of a division split. The MWC and formerly the Big East (assuming the BE has told them no for travel reason) are its only choices. Gonzaga has to go to the MWC for self preservation of its mbb program. Wichita St probably used that logic too in its move.
Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - Jjoey52 - 03-26-2018 06:20 PM
2 extra conference games could be because someone left. WCC needs to poop out more money for Zags to stay, which might happen
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RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - C2__ - 03-26-2018 07:32 PM
(03-26-2018 05:44 PM)NoDak Wrote: Think there is another issue here, and that is a potential divide among DI schools, maybe with FBS. Gonzaga needs to position itself in a higher conference, as the WCC would be on the bottom side of a division split. The MWC and formerly the Big East (assuming the BE has told them no for travel reason) are its only choices. Gonzaga has to go to the MWC for self preservation of its mbb program. Wichita St probably used that logic too in its move.
Yep, that's it. They may not be as good as they are after Few leaves. Better to be an RPI anchor in a good conference than pretty good in very bad conference. Worse comes worse, they can always go back to the WCC or even go to the WAC, Big West or Big Sky, which has some regional rivals.
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - joeben69 - 03-31-2018 06:43 PM
Gonzaga likely not joining Mountain West next season
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-gonzaga-mountain-west-wcc-20180331-story.html
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - billybobby777 - 03-31-2018 07:10 PM
(03-31-2018 06:43 PM)joeben69 Wrote: Gonzaga likely not joining Mountain West next season
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-gonzaga-mountain-west-wcc-20180331-story.html
Well done Gonzaga. Particularly the retroactive NCAA tournament money of 1 million per year! Now the term Boise sweetheart deal will be known as “The Gonzaga Sweetheart Deal”
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - Attackcoog - 03-31-2018 07:24 PM
(03-31-2018 06:43 PM)joeben69 Wrote: Gonzaga likely not joining Mountain West next season
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-gonzaga-mountain-west-wcc-20180331-story.html
Pretty savvy move by Gonzaga (got what they really wanted)---and a smart move for the WCC as well. Had it worked out, it would have been a very nice addition for the MW.
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - Fresno St. Alum - 03-31-2018 09:09 PM
sucks. I hope the bigger conference schedules by the P6 make them reconsider down the road. Or just see if BYU will ever cave and bring all sports back and add 1 Texas school w/ them
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - Kittonhead - 03-31-2018 09:16 PM
Last big move of the decade gone up in flames...
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - billybobby777 - 03-31-2018 09:36 PM
(03-31-2018 09:16 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: Last big move of the decade gone up in flames...
Well the MWC and AAC and BYU will all have new media deals expiring as the decade ends so....there could be some minor or major moves before the decade ends that impacts those 3 plus the A-10, CUSA and ripple down effect to WAC
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - Attackcoog - 03-31-2018 09:50 PM
(03-31-2018 09:09 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote: sucks. I hope the bigger conference schedules by the P6 make them reconsider down the road. Or just see if BYU will ever cave and bring all sports back and add 1 Texas school w/ them
Its a pretty surprising turnabout for something that appeared to be a done deal just a week ago.
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - Wedge - 03-31-2018 10:30 PM
(03-31-2018 09:09 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote: sucks. I hope the bigger conference schedules by the P6 make them reconsider down the road. Or just see if BYU will ever cave and bring all sports back and add 1 Texas school w/ them
Gonzaga staying in the WCC means that BYU has even less reason to ever go back to the Mountain West.
Thompson's comments in that article are amusing: "There are just some things in there that I don’t think our membership would have accepted. They’re offering some things that probably don’t make sense for our league." Ummm, Craig, has anyone ever told you what your conference did to keep Boise State around?
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - MWC Tex - 03-31-2018 10:30 PM
Things could happen next year. Sounds like they could move in the near future.
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - The Cutter of Bish - 03-31-2018 11:35 PM
(03-31-2018 09:09 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote: sucks. I hope the bigger conference schedules by the P6 make them reconsider down the road. Or just see if BYU will ever cave and bring all sports back and add 1 Texas school w/ them
I'm not willing to call it dead. MW was one of a few conferences Gonzaga was working with; one with details.
We'll find out in a few days what Gonzaga's going to do. If these WCC changes were exactly what Gonzaga wanted, there would be more out of the Gonzaga camp about how happy or satisfied it was with these changes.
Leaning toward but not having made a decision is not something worth breaking out the champagne.
Clearly, this is more serious than folks want to make it. The narrative isn't about making the WCC better as a whole. The kind of talk and outcomes Gonzaga has placed on the WCC is an indictment against its non-performing members. Gonzaga has charged the WCC with lousy, non-contributing basketball schools. Gonzaga has threatened the conference that it would leave if the bylaws and rules weren't changed to reward its best performer(s). And while the WCC has given Gonzaga some/many concessions, the real question still remains: do these changes make the WCC more competitive? Is this a game changer that inspires others to rise to Gonzaga's level?
And ask yourself...if you're Santa Clara, Portland, or LMU, and you're taking an even smaller cut now...are you going to invest even more into your program to get to a better share? The bad teams get punished a bit, in theory...they aren't coming away empty-handed, though.
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - C2__ - 04-01-2018 12:42 AM
Why would they except the WCC to change? Aside from BYU and Gonzaga...basketball, it's a low level D-I conference, including St. Mary's even with them putting good teams on the court.
If they have a chance to get out, they should at first opportunity, otherwise I don't ever want to hear Mark Few complain about what the WCC is or isn't doing as he has done for decades. Step up in weight class.
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - IWokeUpLikeThis - 04-01-2018 01:08 AM
Interesting that Few drove this whole thing yet in the end got cold feet because MW games were on CBSSN instead of espn. It’s not like he didn’t already know the tv channels beforehand.
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - Kittonhead - 04-01-2018 01:18 AM
(04-01-2018 01:08 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: Interesting that Few drove this whole thing yet in the end got cold feet because MW games were on CBSSN instead of espn. It’s not like he didn’t already know the tv channels beforehand.
He may not have. At least not taken a recent look at the channels the MWC broadcasts on. It's not his conference so why should he be an expert on another conference's TV package? With a closer look maybe he didn't like what he was seeing.
The only experts around here are the posters on this thread.
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - C2__ - 04-01-2018 01:39 AM
If he lets a short term decision like that stop the athletic program and institution from moving up, he and them both deserve their fate in the kiddie pool. No more complaining about RPI, SOS, seeding, at-larges and perception, just accept your fate in the kiddie pool.
I'm sure playing in a conference that plays games on CBSSN would include some games on the main CBS network, non-conference games on ESPN and CBS and maybe even a few conference games pulled for ESPN, especially since they are one of the few teams that plays late at night that people may watch.
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - arkstfan - 04-01-2018 02:16 AM
The big unknown was what was MWC offering in terms of allocating revenue. Their TV deal includes football and basketball, seems unlikely that MWC would have shared any CFP or bowl revenue or given Gonzaga 1/12th of the TV revenue so WCC offering a financial package in the ballpark of MWC is plausible.
If WCC got somewhere in the neighborhood and is offering better quality TV exposures and has membership that the academic side is more comfortable with it 100% makes sense for Gonzaga.
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - C2__ - 04-01-2018 02:29 AM
Definitely but again, you gotta think long term, not short term. Gonzaga won't always be this good, even if they don't fall off a cliff after Few leaves. A chance to upgrade conferences doesn't come every year.
RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked? - DavidSt - 04-01-2018 03:59 AM
People have not read the few article again. Gonzaga is still holding meetings and talks with the MWC. It does not say that they are leaving yet. WCC have nothing to offer for them anymore. MWC have more to offer with SOS than WCC. WCC only give 2 schools that helps them out. MWC have UNLV, UNR, San Diego State, Colorado State, Fresno State, Wyoming, New Mexico and Boise State that have recent basketball. Maybe they may not join this year? The MWC could offer Gonzaga, Saint Mary's and BYU a spot in the MWC with UTEP to go to 16. They could add Grand Canyon U. for 16 all sports and 14 football. Grand Canyon is the Olympic sports for Hawaii's football only.
As someone pointed out, a divide among D1 is coming, and the better basketball schools want out to be part of the FBS group for all sports. WCC would be the FCS basketball Olympic sports which regulates BYU, Saint Mary's and Gonzaga away from the big boys. There is no guarantee that the Big East would be part of the big boys either. They could be regulated to FCS Olympic sports as well.