(06-16-2017 09:55 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Fox News is not fringe. It may promote fringe ideas sometimes, but it was, until recently, the most watched news network in the country. How is that fringe?
And I have way more than one instance, that's just one of my favorite ones.
And how do you call birtherism fringe, when the current POTUS was blowing the trumpet? It is a crazy idea that one would assumed would generally stick to the fringe, but it became a mainstream idea, in no small part due to Trump's actions.
And Obama was definitely on par with Bush in terms of the crap lobbed at him by his opponents.
Compared to Trump, I think Obama dealt with much more ludicrous critiques (see: mustard, birth place, tan suit, soldier saluting). Whereas Trump is dealing with a lot more, but they aren't as superficial.

Maybe it's because I don't watch Fox much, but I simply don't have any recall of the incident you describe, and little if any recall of multiple others. I know Fox did get on the birther train, at least slightly, and that's when I sort of thought they drifted off too far.

Hell, I consider Trump fringe. I think his whole campaign was based upon appealing to a fringe. That fringe just turned out to be larger than I expected, or maybe it was non-fringe people who were just totally disaffected with where the establishment was leading them.

As far as the critiques of Trump, they're pretty superficial at this point. Making a point of how many condos his company is selling to LLCs in one example of a totally irrelevant commentary. There may--or may not--prove to be some substance to the collusion and obstruction claims. So far, they're pretty superficial.

You list four superficial criticisms of Obama (mustard, birthplace, tan suit, saluting). I don't remember two of them (mustard, tan suit). They both sound stupid to me. I doubt I ever heard them, or if I did they didn't make much of an impression, so they can't have been very mainstream. My first post on the birther affair was to dismiss it as irrelevant, and my position never altered on that. The saluting thing bothers me as a military guy, but then again I was Navy, and we don't salute without having a hat on, so I don't get that worked up about that one either. I'm not all that big on the saluting thing anyway. In Vietnam, nobody saluted anybody, because that showed Charlie whom to shoot. I had a much bigger problem with corpse-man because that is kind of like saying an LLC is a corporation, it shows that he didn't care enough to do the proper preparation.