(02-16-2018 02:55 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 12:36 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 10:59 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 10:17 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 09:59 AM)450bench Wrote:  Getting back to being a top 25 program, planning for NCAA tournaments, recruiting top100 talent, at minimum, and keeping most of the hometown talent home.
Memphis has a tradition of winning and talent and you can’t take away Cal or Kirk or Finch or Bartow or any other period for the sake of discussion. They all contributed to the programs success and tradition.

Then let's not take away Dean Ehlers, Moe Iba, Wayne Yates, Tic Price, Johnny Jones, the probations associated with Kirk & Calipari - it's all part.

I too would love to have Calipari's last 4 yrs continuously & all the good that goes with it - without the NCAA probation. That said, Memphis historically is a .668 % win team. That's about 20 wins per season on avg. with a 30 game schedule & we've been to the NCAA 25 times in 64 seasons - including Calipar's last 4 yrs. Take those 4 yrs (well above avg) out, sub the historical avg & Memphis is at about .63 % & 21 NCAA appearances. Or maybe take out the years associated with probation.

Several other things. Memphis is currently playing a schedule (and have for several yrs) well below the historical Memphis SOS. That hurts consideration for the NCAA tourney & weakens the value of wins. This same dumbed-down schedule approach also hurts attendance. And regardless, the current criteria for NCAA tourney selection disadvantages a 20 win team playing a weak SOS schedule in favor of other weak conference champions. Relative to attendance, Calipari yrs were likely not the norm even for a winning Memphis program. Likely something approaching 12-14K is more likely given the increased competition for the entertainment $$. I don't care much about recruiting rankings & don't understand the obsessive addiction. It's the results that matter IMO, is Memphis competing, is Memphis winning. Sure recruiting is an indicator, but if it's the end-all, then Calipari should be fired at UK, he is severely underachieving. This thread is about be real, right?

This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. Every sports team at every level ebbs and flows throughout history... Historically Memphis is not a team that misses the NCAA tournament 4 straight years. Historically we are not a team that can compete with top 25 teams. Historically we are not a program that lauds beating a 15-11 team down their two best players as a good and celebrated win.

You can set your bar based on the down years and be satisfied with Tubby so long as he performs at that level. The rest of fan base expects us to be competitive program on a consistent basis.

And to be fair. Legitimately, the only time I see people use the Cal era in any comparative form is when it is poster like you saying other fans have unreasonable expectations based on the Cal era. I never actually see fans saying they expect Tubby or JP (when he was here) perform at the same level. Nobody actually expects us to consistently win more games than any other NCAA program over a 4 year period or be competing for an NCAA title every year. So, stop with that lame argument.

To be fair - you either can't read or your bias is so great you read things that aren't said - and you attribute things that aren't said or implied. I simply stated the historical performance of the Memphis program - and made NO concluding, therefore-type statements about what it means. I didn't set the bar anywhere, again simply stated the historical averages for consideration by those reading this thread - a thread on being realist LOL. Further, I've made NO argument & no statement that says, "Historically Memphis is not a team that misses the NCAA tournament 4 straight years. Historically we are not a team that can compete with top 25 teams. Historically we are not a program that lauds beating a 15-11 team down their two best players as a good and celebrated win." It's YOU making those statements, claims & drawing those conclusions & attributing them to me - they aren't mine. And BTW, Memphis is not, based upon historical averages, a school that recruited annually, multiple top 100 players, prior to Calipari. Maybe it happened but it is not supported by historical averages. Memphis historically recruited Memphis with an occasional exception. So Memphis' teams ebbed & flowed (in terms of wins) based upon Memphis talent (especially as relates to local big men). Today Memphis, the city's talent, is recruited nationally not just by Memphis. Sure I want Memphis to get a tourney invite every year but historically it's about 1 in 3 yrs. - with 2-3 of periods of 10 yrs or more without an invite & several periods where we had consecutive invites (the up years). And BTW, IMO with Memphis in the AAC, tourney invites are tougher to get than ever. Because the way Memphis is scheduling, unless Memphis wins the AAC or the AAC tourney, we will likely not have enough quality wins to get that invite unless we are close (like a UH type year) with a couple of in-conference quality wins.

But rather than falsely attribute some lowered expectations to me, why not look at the historical performance averages - and then compare your expectations to actual history. Oh and don't forget the probation years.......cheers.

You should try reading comprehension before you claim others do not have it...

You read his whole post? Kudos!

Absence of white space in a diatribe is hard to take. lol