(03-02-2018 11:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 09:19 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 07:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 08:57 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 08:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Being a P conference is not having to advertise that you're a P conference

Tell that to all the Bama fans who get so defensive when it is pointed out UCF won the national title per at least one legit (former BCS) poll.

Laughing at UCF isn't being 'defensive'.

Colley-Matrix isn't a poll, it's a computer, and it means nothing to be chosen #1 by a computer.

Tell that to UCF's banner.

You understand that anyone can create a banner, right?

I just created a USF is #1 banner. Does that count too?

Surely, for the past 40 years, since the AP and Coaches both decided to do their final polls after the bowls, the ONLY valid claim to a share of a national title is if either the coaches or AP poll selected you, or if you won the BCS or CFP.

Nebraska and Michigan 1997? That's a split title. Both can claim a share.

UCF? None of that.

We know other title claims from the past are bogus. That doesn't make UCF's any less bogus. It's B-O-G-U-S.

I would consider it the only valid claim, but opinions can differ. Those polls have their biases. One computer poll listed in the NCAA record book-Rothman's FACT often declared multiple national champions. 1977 was Notre Dame, Arkansas and Texas. Another non-computer system listed, the National Championship Foundation in 1981 had Clemson, Nebraska, Pitt, SMU and Texas. Note that Texas doesn't claim either of those.

In 1982 Penn St. was first in all but a couple of polls (Berryman had Nebraska and Helms had SMU), but SMU did have a better record than Penn St. 11-0-1 with only a tie to #8 Arkansas while Penn St. lost by 21 to #17 Alabama. Auburn could also point to 2004 where USC was unanimous but did get that title vacated. Auburn didn't get a chance to play. In both those cases, schools with a history of getting on probation were lower ranked (not that there weren't other good reasons for the rankings).