(10-17-2017 02:36 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 01:13 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:51 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:14 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:05 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  My apologies for the statement about the fan base. After further review it appears that coldblooded is alone in his reaction.

Re: analytics

Don't you think most fan bases side with whatever fits their narrative best?

Here is one fact about WSU: they didn't beat a single NCAAT at large team during the regular season.

Here is another: they finished 8th (I think) in Kenpom.

I don't think it's irrational for me to be skeptical about WSU this coming year as a top 5 team (and being better than UC), considering they lost to every good team they played except Dayton.

Likewise, I can see how you all are incredibly excited about your squad this year (minus the injury concerns). 8th in Kenpom is impressive and goes to show how dominant WSU was in the MVC. I for one am excited to see how that translates to the AAC, but hopefully it's not at the expense of a UC conference title.

I have another fact about WSU:

9-4 in the NCAA's in the last 4 visits.


The Shockers eat skeptics for breakfast.


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The "didn't beat an NCAA tournament team" is so obnoxious and irrelevant and such a low sample size it does not matter one iota. When you add in the fact that ZERO Wichita State fans will tell you we were elite with Conner Frankamp at PG the sample size becomes even more insignificant.

You know what's significant? Marshall's teams exceeding or meeting lofty expectations year after year. Marshall's teams competing in March every single year. His worst performance in the NCAA tournament since 2005 was losing by 10 in the first round. With Winthrop. As a 14 seed. That was his WORST result. (Full disclosure: he had worse results when he still using Winthrop players from the previous coach). Bet against Gregg Marshall, you will come out looking dumb. You can be skeptical all you want. But I am not skeptical. I'm 100% sure. It's not like people haven't been skeptical of WSU every single year. The only thing that changes every single year is where the goalposts are located.

You literally just made my point for me.

Different fan bases have different narratives. What I stated were two FACTS.

I watched WSU against UK (and a couple of others games) and was definitely impressed. They clearly had a good team last year and I think they'll be really good this year. But I am allowed to be skeptical about a team (as a top 5 lock) that didn't beat anyone with a pulse (other than Dayton) and have their two stars nursing foot fractures. Just like you can scream from the top of the mountain about KenPom all you want.

It's not like I'm saying WSU is a bubble team. I think they are two really good teams in this conference for next year, but I believe UC will be better. And, no, before you ask, I don't think UC will be a top 5 team. I think both are in the 8-12 range.

I decided to look up Cincy's NCAA tournament history and you know what? Maybe you should just keep your opinion to yourself as it relates to overrated/untested teams...

You've enjoyed the luxury of being a member of the Big East for 8 years... 8 years of guaranteed at-large bids to the NCAA tournament with the only qualifier being a .500 league record; 8 years of loaded schedules with every brand name program in the country dropped on your lap; 8 years of a sea of top 100 recruits washing onto your shores every spring with nary a lure being cast; 8 years of sucking on the tit that is a major television contract along with an avalanche of NCAA tourney credits in a league where as many as 8 teams get an invite...

You had all this and you've only "earned" one Sweet 16 since 2005?

Over the last decade our coaching staff has wasted thousands of hours cobbling together a schedule and praying that it'll be enough in the end; we've recruited tirelessly against teams that pay for players, offer hookers, and/or have the huge advantage of conference/sponsorship/NBA affiliation; we've had to go to the alumni to pay for private jets, million-dollar salaries, and facility renovations... we've had NOTHING given to us. Every single accomplishment we've achieved has come through the hard work and generous donations of Shocker Nation.

So you'll forgive me if I tell you to **** off when you complain about us not beating someone when we've beaten a MASSIVELY greater number of someone's than your beloved Bearcats, and we've done it with an INORDINATELY smaller number of opportunities.

3 Sweet Sixteens, 1 Elite Eight and a Final Four since 2006.

That is all.




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I think the only obvious thing is why you have been banned from other boards. The only lock I see is you not making it through the season on this either. Do you always have to come off like a complete jack azz? Grow up, your act is tiresome.