(02-26-2018 06:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 06:12 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Ok, let’s take my team out of it and use your argument. Explain why THESE schools aren’t in the P5? This is based on your argument on flagships, and no more than 2 schools per state. These are only the FBS schools who want access; no FCS schools
UCONN: flagship of their state. 0 P5 in Connecticut
UMASS: Flagship. Only 1 P5 in Massachusetts
Buffalo: Flagship. Only 1 P5 in New York
New Mexico: Flagship. 0 P5 in New Mexico
Wyoming: Flagship. O P5 in Wyoming
Nevada: Flagship. 0 P5 in Nevada
Hawaii: Flagship. 0 P5 in Hawaii
Cincinnati: 2nd major university in Ohio. 1 P5 in Ohio.
Boise St: At least the 2nd major university in Idaho. 0 P5 in Idaho
Colorado St: At least the 2nd major university in Colorado. 1 P5 in Colorado
UNLV: At least the 2nd major university in Nevada. 0 P5 in Nevada.
Arkansas St: The 2nd major university in Arkansas. 1 P5 in Arkansas
New Mexico St: the 2nd major university in NM. 0 P5 in New Mexico

Orangefan didn't say that every public school that met his criteria were in the P5, only that those were criteria that public school P5 met.

The schools listed above have obvious flaws, the big one being that, with the possible exception of UConn, none has the market value to be worth $35m a year for a P5 conference.

You need to bring market value to the table, and these schools do not.

Correct, Quo.

UCONN: Great at basketball, but bad at musical chairs. Probably the clearest example of a G5 school that should be P5. The only major knock against them is how recently they moved to FBS.
UMASS: Too new.
Buffalo: Too new. Not a true flagship, as NYS has split this designation among 4 schools.
New Mexico: State population is small, although slightly bigger than Nebraska and West Virginia.
Wyoming: State population is way too small.
Nevada: State population is small, although bigger than Kansas, Nebraska and West Virginia. However, the population is heavily concentrated in Las Vegas.
Hawaii: State population is too small.
Cincinnati: Potentially a good fit as the second major university in Ohio.
Boise St: State population is small. Not a land grant or flagship. BSU also has weak academics, with a USNWR national rank in the range of 231-300, and a Carnegie classification of Doctoral University - Moderate Research Activity. These are improvements from a few years ago, but still weak for consideration by a P5 conference.
Colorado St: Potentially a good fit as Colorado's Land Grant.
UNLV: Definitely the number two public university in Nevada.
Arkansas St: It may be the number two public university in Arkansas, but it is classified as a regional school by USNWR and is ranked #68 among regional schools in the south. Carnegie classifies it as a Master's University, which suggests limited research activity. These classifications make it unlikely to ever be considered by a P5 conference for membership
New Mexico St: NMSU is a Land Grant, which is good, but New Mexico's population is small and concentrated more heavily around Albuquerque near UNM.