(02-27-2018 11:37 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 11:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 07:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 06:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 06:12 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Ok, let’s take my team out of it and use your argument. Explain why THESE schools aren’t in the P5? This is based on your argument on flagships, and no more than 2 schools per state. These are only the FBS schools who want access; no FCS schools
UCONN: flagship of their state. 0 P5 in Connecticut
UMASS: Flagship. Only 1 P5 in Massachusetts
Buffalo: Flagship. Only 1 P5 in New York
New Mexico: Flagship. 0 P5 in New Mexico
Wyoming: Flagship. O P5 in Wyoming
Nevada: Flagship. 0 P5 in Nevada
Hawaii: Flagship. 0 P5 in Hawaii
Cincinnati: 2nd major university in Ohio. 1 P5 in Ohio.
Boise St: At least the 2nd major university in Idaho. 0 P5 in Idaho
Colorado St: At least the 2nd major university in Colorado. 1 P5 in Colorado
UNLV: At least the 2nd major university in Nevada. 0 P5 in Nevada.
Arkansas St: The 2nd major university in Arkansas. 1 P5 in Arkansas
New Mexico St: the 2nd major university in NM. 0 P5 in New Mexico

Orangefan didn't say that every public school that met his criteria were in the P5, only that those were criteria that public school P5 met.

The schools listed above have obvious flaws, the big one being that, with the possible exception of UConn, none has the market value to be worth $35m a year for a P5 conference.

You need to bring market value to the table, and these schools do not.

Every school on that list brings market value except 4 or 5. And one of them is Boise St. Small market. Big tv rankings. Look at their tv numbers the past decade. Some could say not anymore....but I looked at some numbers from last year when They played a game against an awful New Mexico and drew a million viewers. Arkansas St could be another one that surprises...if they were given a chance. If a P5 team visits them I’m willing to bet the tv ratings would be scary....good. That’s why it’ll never happen.

You can't just bring a little market value, you have to bring a LOT. Media contracts for P5 these days are $25m, so if the existing schools aren't going to take a pay cut, a new school has to be worth at least $25m a year to a network.

None of those schools is. That's why the Big 12 didn't expand last year: Their network "partners" told them none of the prospective schools was worth $25m a year to them, but since the Big 12 had a clause that forced the networks to pay more if they did expand anyway, the networks paid the Big 12 not to expand.

You said it. “The Network partners TOLD THEM.......”
As the Boston College guy Gene the Hippo said after the ACC raided the Big East for second time “ESPN told us what to do”

There's nothing wrong with that. Networks have to make money, and if a conference wants to be paid X amount, it has to have the characteristics of being worth X amount.

That's not evil, monopolistic, etc., it's just the reality of how markets work.

It's not Disney's fault if USF or Memphis or ECU isn't worth another $25m to them.