You are correct MsNole! As I already mentioned in a few posts, we do have to win the SEC and I always worry about Ga. Tech. Again, I have already conceded that point a few times.

But rest assured that if UGA does win in the Dome on December 7th, we will have actually won a conference championship, not backed into one by someone else losing.

Look, you seem like a nice person. Why are you taking this so personal? All I asked is that FSU fans start a petition to boycott a bowl game that you shouldn't be in.

I ask you..Why would you want to go in the record books as the team with the all time worse record in a BCS bowl? FSU surely has more class than to want that kind of pub. I've always loved Coach Bowden and FSU has always been my 2nd favorite team, but I just don't want to play you guys IF we get to the Sugar Bowl. I would rather play Notre Dame or Texas or Oklahoma.

Surely you can't blame me for that.

It's been a rough week with this McPherson crap and whiney Nole fans on some of the other boards I read. The Seminoles really aren't as bad as you are making them out to be. We're playing a 13- season games this year. One more than we normally play... well, I should say 2 more, but lots of years we play in a preseason game and end up with a 12-game regular season. I mean, geez, we only lost to Miami because our kicker missed a wide-left. Sure it shouldn't have come down to that, but at least we did better than the gaytors who lost to Miami at home; we played Miami at their place. From what I understand the ACC champ is suppose to go to the Orange Bowl - that is their tie-in.

Is is our fault that we beat Maryland and only had one loss in the ACC and they had 2 losses. And I wouldn't call it backing into it since we beat Maryland.

And what would the records say if this 9 and 4 team (I'm assuming here just like you have) beat Georgia? Ya know something, why don't we discuss this after the Florida vs Florida State game Saturday night at 8pm. I'll be watching the Georgia Tech vs. Georgia game at 3:30 and nervously waiting for our game to start.

fleadawg...go home loser, I said before all that ACC/SEC talk is :snore: :snore: yeah the SEC is so damn high and mighty, this little weak ACC is nothing. Typical Georgia fan when hes in the top 10 :crying: :crying: To bad the Florida streak still goes on though. Why is it this little weak ACC team has in the past beaten the Gators at their best, yet Georgia still finds trouble in it, even with a new coach? Fleadawg, read my post again ACC/SEC is nothing but a boring conversation. ACC is weak, SEC cheats..on and on and on :snore: :snore: :snore:

By the way, Adrian McPherson hasnt been charged with anything or arrested, secondly check out Wisconsin when you want to talk about Free shoes, think FSU is the only school?? Anyway back to :snore: :snore:



<!--EDIT|Garnet & Gold|Nov 27 2002, 07:05 AM-->

Wow LuckyDawg, looks like Garnet woke up this morning with one nerve and you got on it.

"Typical Ga. fan when he's in the top ten"? What the hell does that mean? How many times have we been in the top ten in the past 20 years LuckyDawg? I wish we had been in it enough to get a reputation of running our mouths.

Remember Garnet and LuckyDawg, let's try to keep this string on the subject of the Sugar Bowl and why most GA fans want to play a team that could actually help our season ending rankings and not a 9-4 or an unranked 8-5 team.

It's quite possible that if Notre Dame plays and beats OK in the Orange and we play and beat FSU :laugh: in the Sugar, some pollsters would actually rank ND higher because their win actually meant something. This is why teams with 4 or 5 losses have no business whatsoever in a BCS bowl or any bowl after December 25th.

Now don't get your "your counting your chickens before they hatch" fingers typing. I know I am and all this is pure speculation and if nobody gets upset before the Sugar, this is how it will play out.

How unfortunate for UGA fans. Nothing to gain in our bowl game and EVERYTHING to lose. Just shouldn't be that way and you FSU fans know damn well, I am right!

YouGeeAye, i didnt mean ALL UGA fans, i should have re phrased that. its just that the dawgs are barking louder now this year then in years past and rightfully so, then again any team whos having a great year would be having alot to say. Its just irritating when a team thats doing good has fans that want to berate another team when they are down, knowingly that it could happen to them, thats why I stay away from certain subjects. What can happen to one team certainly can happen to another. I should have said typical Georgia fan that only 'barks' when his team is in the top 10, in other words when your doing good you talk smack, when your not you run and hide, I have a great dislike for those fans.

Since we are on the subject of bowl games I think telling us to petition it is way way way out of our control, besides no FSU fan will do it and who in the BCS commission is going to listen anyway, all they want to hear is...$$$$$$$$$$$$

Garnet, I really did not expect anyone to start a petition. It is a point that I am trying to make. I'm having some fun.

Did you really think that I was holding out hope that you guys would start a petition? C'mon really!

There was a team that a few years ago refused to go to a bowl they were invited to and for the life of me I cannot remember who it was. Can anyone shed some light on that? Was it FSU? What bowl was it?

YouGeeAye Wrote:Wow LuckyDawg, looks like Garnet woke up this morning with one nerve and you got on it.

"Typical Ga. fan when he's in the top ten"? What the hell does that mean? How many times have we been in the top ten in the past 20 years LuckyDawg? I wish we had been in it enough to get a reputation of running our mouths.

Remember Garnet and LuckyDawg, let's try to keep this string on the subject of the Sugar Bowl and why most GA fans want to play a team that could actually help our season ending rankings and not a 9-4 or an unranked 8-5 team.

It's quite possible that if Notre Dame plays and beats OK in the Orange and we play and beat FSU :laugh: in the Sugar, some pollsters would actually rank ND higher because their win actually meant something. This is why teams with 4 or 5 losses have no business whatsoever in a BCS bowl or any bowl after December 25th.

Now don't get your "your counting your chickens before they hatch" fingers typing. I know I am and all this is pure speculation and if nobody gets upset before the Sugar, this is how it will play out.

How unfortunate for UGA fans. Nothing to gain in our bowl game and EVERYTHING to lose. Just shouldn't be that way and you FSU fans know damn well, I am right!

Yup - an assumer... Go home lil doggy your master is calling for you and you know if you don't go, he'll beat the crap out of ya.... Mr. Gaytor - he's over here, please come and get him

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hey Garnet...sorry to disturb your slumber. If the topic is so boring quit taking the bait. Humor must me in short supply in the Noles Nation. I am having fun at your expense. I am not like the majority of Bulldogs' fans...I actually graduated from UGA. Most Bulldogs' fans have never even been to Athens. You know the answer to that age old question: "What do you get if you take Atlanta out of Georgia?" The answer is: "Mississippi." Get it?

So please don't equate my comments with the typical monosyllabic grunts from the toothless, bearded, beer-gutted rednecks who cheer for my Dawgs. We've got ourselves a real football coach now, the team is having its best season since 1982 and most of our fans can't spell BCS.

That said....I'd rather hang with all the toothless bearded Dawgs fans in the world than watch the Dawgs play a mediocre FSU team.

MsNole,

Please see my reply to Garnet re: the typical Georgia fan. And do you think for a picosecond that any Dawgs fan is going to be pulling for the Gators on Saturday? Hell No! We will all be tomahawk chopping Saturday night.

We just don't want to play FSU in the Sugar Bowl. If this were one of the typical FSU teams with the usual 10-1 or 11-0 record at this point in the season we would be thrilled to meet ya'll in Nawlins.

And for the record.....all Division 1 teams played a minimum of 12 games this season. And after Dec. 7th Georgia will have played 13 games...just like FSU.

UGA needs to quit :crying: :crying: on a Noles message board about the Sugar Bowl. As I said it does no good. You dont want to play us because of our record?? Well what in the hell is it we are supposed to do?? Lose :snore: over it? :crying: over it? Sit there and look ? I think you need to direct your comments to the BCS about that one. As the old saying goes.."sorry, cant help you" Just remember georgia fans, alot lead up to this scenario, the list is endless

A missed field goal in the last second with Miami and losing in OT to Louisville or our record would be better (sorry cant help you)

Maryland wins Saturday night

UGA doesnt lose to UF

All of this talk about not playing FSU in the Sugar Bowl would not be happening.

Again, what the hell are we supposed to do?? Alot of good it will do talking about it here, but hey, if you feel good about it then more power to ya!!



<!--EDIT|Garnet & Gold|Nov 27 2002, 04:34 PM-->

Ok G-d Garnet! You are sooo easy.

Why can't you just lead the petition charge and get your team out of an embarrassing situation? Get that petition out to your school's AD now Garnet. I never said anything about going to the BCS.

Here's a list of bowls that FSU should be playing in:

New Orleans Bowl: Heck it's almost the Sugar Bowl
GMAC Bowl: Mobile is closer to Talla than New Orleans
Tangerine Bowl: Why not stay in the sunshine state?
Motor City Bowl: Detroit is beautiful this time of year
Houston Bowl: Houston must have paid a fortune for that one
MainStay Independence-Another LA bowl
Continental Tire Bowl-G-d I love that one
Gaylord Hotels Music City Bowl- Yeeha! Go to Nashville! I'm sure the hotel will cash checks for guests.

That's really about all the bowls that FSU should qualify for. All of these are before New Years Eve. Right where a 5 loss team should be playing.

If UGA had beaten FLA, there is a good chance we would still be in the Sugar Bowl with an undefeated record and still playing a sub-standard 5 loss FSU. Missed FG? Your kickers are famous for missing FGs. Why should this year be any different? I am laughing so hard about you reminding me that you guys lost to Louisville that I am bent over in excruciating pain. Damn that's funny. Thanks for the laugh. Lose to Louisville and go to a BCS bowl in the same year. That's freakin beautiful! Your only good point is if Maryland had won Sat night. Then we would play one of the hottest teams in the NCAA the last two years and you guys would be picking from my list above.

Ok, you asked what you can do and I have been telling you for days. Fire up your team Garnet and boycott the Sugar Bowl. Don't go down in history as the worst team to ever play in a BCS bowl. That record may stand for many generations unless FSU breaks it next year by winning the ACC with a 7-6 record. :D

I just can't help myself Garnet. Here is a top 10 list of things that could have happened or could happen to prevent FSU from playing UGA in the Sugar Bowl:

1) UGA loses the SEC Championship
2) UGA forgets about the SEC Championship because we've never had to worry about it before and we simply forget to show up.
3) FSU does not lose all it's best coaches and actually is 11-1 or 12-0 right now. We all know now that Bowden was never the braintrust behind your team.
4) FSU students and alum come together with a petitiion to boycott the Sugar Bowl citing a UGA fan as the one who planted the idea.
5) You actually recruit a FG kicker one of these years that does not choke in a pressure situation.
6) The ACC gets rid of it's football programs citing poor performance.
7) FSU joins a real conference that will give it some competition.
8) Recruit more felons. Your best teams/seasons are comprised of convicted felons.
9) FSU replaces Miami with a team of Louisville's calibre. Scratch that.
10)Win more games and play a bowl game that gives your team something to lose!

By the way, are there only two FSU fans on this BBS? What's up with that?

Let's talk about this year's results against other BCS
leagues. Or does the SEC...only consider games
against teams from the Sun Belt.

In games involving BCS league teams against each
other the SEC has beaten...

Temple (Big East) So Carolina
Rutgers(Big East) Tenn
Clemson(ACC) GA
Syracuse(Big East) Auburn
Indiana (Big 10) Kentucky


Out of that group only Clemson has a winning record.

The SEC has been beaten by...

Okla (Big 12) Alabama
Miami (Big East)Tenn
Miami(Big East) Fla
Oregon(PAC10) Miss State
Va Tech (Big East) LSU
Ga Tech (ACC) Vanderbilt
Clemson (ACC) So Carolina
Virginia (ACC) So Carolina
Tex Tech (Big12) Mississippi
So Calif (PAC10) Auburn

It would appear, just like it has in the previous 4 years...
(No "ancient history" here) that everytime the SEC
ventures outside its own league...It gets its ass whipped.

1 and 3 vs the ACC...huh? Best you can do is .500


How 'Bout some more current facts...

Granted there are too many bowls...but even with so many
the SEC played 48 Non-league games this year. Only 17
against teams who will be going to bowls.

The ACC has played 36 non-league games this year. 15
are going to bowls.

(The ACC BTW...is 9-5 against teams from the other BCS leagues).

Georgia has played 4 non-league games...(counting Ga Tech who you
play this week) 2 are going to bowls. You are tied for the SEC lead
with 2 bowl teams against out of conference teams.

Florida State...Hmmm...We've played 5 Non-league games (counting
our game against the Gaytors) ALL FIVE ARE GOING TO BOWLS!

We have never ducked anyone. We became the BEST because we played
the BEST...Do some research. The NCAA established us as a dynasty
because over a 14 year period of time we beat 29 LEAGUE CHAMPIONS!

UGA doesn't want us in a bowl game because they don't want the stigma
of losing to a 4 or 5 loss team. And finally exposing to the world what a
chicken sh*t conference the SEC really is!

Why don't you go to the Middle Tennessee State board and talk
about the SEC...I'm sure they will be impressed.

This, obviously...isn't one of Florida State's better teams...but in the last
three years...please list all the schools who have come closer to beating
Miami! Who knows...we may have been just a shanked field goal away
of being in the midst of the hunt...

No we'll struggle to regroup and "take care of business" on Saturday night.

Then we'll take a few weeks off...Then come back fresh...We'll have something
to prove on New Year's Night...will Georgia.

I also was amused in one of your posts...about, "trying to improve your position!"

What position...The goal is a National Title..."Ain't no one gives a rat's ass
about who finishes second or third or fourth. Well, maybe at UGA they do!!!!

See what I mean?? UGA fans... :crying: :crying: They get on top and dont know how to act. YOUGEEAYE, do you really think for one minute that if it was the Noles with a 1 loss record playing in the Sugar bowl against a team with 4 losses I would give a damn?? Also why in the hell does an UGA fan care about what happens to FSU about being the laughing stock of college football, when you havent been at the top for what, 20 years? And your still not there, and coming from team that hasnt been at the top and still not quite there, well, should we really care?? UGA is playing in the Sugar Bowl, not the NC, pending the SEC Championship, and pray that Miami and Oklahoma lose. Cry when you get to the NC. Crying over the Sugar Bowl is ridiculous. If FSU was playing a 4 loss UGA team, so what, beat them and move on. Why are wondering how many FSU fans are on this board?? Must not be any on UGA's, seeing how you come over here.

BY THE WAY FLEADAWG...NICE COMEBACK!! MCFLY?? WHAT ARE YOU A 'BACK TO THE FUTURE' REJECT ? MORE LIKE A MCJOKE IF THATS ALL YOU HAVE.... LMMFAO AT FLEADAWG..MCFLY



<!--EDIT|Garnet & Gold|Nov 28 2002, 10:03 AM-->

Paul, you make some good points. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then. Do you really want to get into a war of words about which conference is this toughest? That was never my intention here, but c'mon Paul do you really think the ACC is tougher than the SEC?

First of all there is no BCS league. If there were, then no ACC team would be a member because of the 15 ranked BCS teams, there is not one representative from the ACC...NOT ONE!

I had previously mentioned that this is a down year for the SEC. Normally we would have 4-6 teams ranked in the BCS, but we only have 2 (3 if you would count Bama) this year. Low by SEC standards.

Oh, and let me tell you why you are a moron and like others on the board, you do not do your research. You commented that "that everytime the SEC
ventures outside its own league...It gets its ass whipped." Let me point out that the SECs record this year outside of our conference is 35-10. Thats a .778 winning percentage. Let me also point out that the SEC has more teams than the ACC and two divisions. Until this year, the SEC is consistently the top conference in the nation in Football. We do not get too many chances to play outside the conference, normally only 3-4 games per team. So, when you have to play inside the toughest conference in Football, you do schedule some tune up games outside the conference.

Now, let's look at the ACC. When you are a "dynasty" such as FSU and you play in this weak ass conference, you do the opposite when you go outside the conference. You schedule some games that may help your schedule strength. The ACC sure ain't gonna help FSUs schedule strength. So among the Iowa States and Lousiville, you throw in Miami and ND. Florida is your rivalry so that one really doesn't count. I will not argue that your out of conference schedule is tough, but what I will say again is that it has to be to save face from playing Wake Forest, Duke, NC, Clemson & Ga. Tech every year. Georgia's only true patsy in the conference from year to year is Vandy. Every other team in the conference has the ability to do well and usually does to some degree.

Also, how can you possibly rag on UGAs schedule when we rank #10 in the nation in schedule strength? I think you guys rank around 8th. The only thing that is going to hurt our schedule strength this week is playing another ACC team.

Welcome to the fray Paul. It's good to hear from you. Have you signed Garnet's petition yet?

There are 6 BCS Leagues, Durock!

You have no basis for saying what your out of conference
schedule is. Your winning percentages include 4 games
against Middle Tenn St, 3 Games against Arkansas St,
etc, etc.

There are 6 conferences that send their champions to
the 4 major bowls. When teams from those play each
other...the SEC is the "weakest" That's not a flame...
that's a statement of fact. The SEC has NO QUALITY
WINS against anybody outside their league.

That in itself makes your answers...garbage.

Your league is considered "tough"...in talk only! I don't give
a rat's ass, how many wins you have over Middle Tenn.

Everybody advocates a National Playoff...What are y'all
going to do..."Talk your way thru it!" Everybody wants
to decide things on the field. In my previous post, that is
what I refer to. The SEC plays teams from the other
major leagues and you get your ass whipped. Do you
have a problem with the English language? Can you not
comprehend FACTS!

You talk about playing in the "toughest" conference in
America...Where are the facts to support that statement?

I have posted FACTS...not Rhetoric! You have written
nothing in your ramblings to counter my facts.

The SEC is made up of Gutless wonders...who simply
cannot beat good teams from other leagues. I have
written honest facts that support that statement. The
SEC has beaten ONE team from one of the other BCS
conferences that has a winning record (Clemson 7-5)

That was done by UGA...at Athens...by 3 points.

You ask if I believe the ACC is tougher. Well...the ACC is
3-1 against the SEC this year. Now maybe in Georgia
they put 1-3 over 3-1, but the rest of the country does
it in reverse. Are you going to write about the teams
we played from the SEC? It appears that Virginia and
Clemson beat South Carolina, by more
points than Georgia.

Do you want to talk about Auburn? We had them on the
schedule...Hell, they're so gutless, they didn't even show
up! They just sent a check for 500,000 and went and
played Appy State! Again...That is a FACT!

Remember this Durock: The Polls, the Predictions, The
Rankings...In reality, all they are..."Another Man's Opinion!"

Nothing more and Nothing Less...

You find the FACTS on the football field...The scoreboard
doesn't lie...The scoreboard..."Tells it like it is!" The
scoreboard is FACTUAL!

January 1st...The scoreboard will settle this debate!

Then we'll discuss it. "Oh that's right, we won't be able
to discuss it...you won't be here!"



<!--EDIT|Paul|Nov 29 2002, 03:31 AM-->

Damn Paul, looks like I upset you. Certainly that was not my intention. Anger management pal. Plenty of self help groups to help you out.

Here are the facts:

35-10 outside the SEC. Can't argue with that. What's this about getting our asses kicked outside the conference?

FSU: 8-4, soon to be 8-5. Not a down year either. What was your record last year?
UGA: 10-1

ACC: 0, Zip, Nada BCS rankings
SEC: Two (not counting Bama) BCS ranked teams. And that is a real down year for our conference.

FSU: Lost count of convicted felons. But hey, I'm from Georgia. I can't count that high.
UGA: Don't have to know how to count that high.

SEC: Playoff to win conference title.
ACC: Can lose and still win conference title.

SEC: One constant patsy every year.
ACC: Remember, I'm from Georgia and I can't count that high.

FSU: Playing a bowl game with nothing to lose.
UGA: Playing a bowl game with everything to lose.

SEC: 2 teams that quality wins actually mean something.
ACC: 0 teams that quality wins acutally mean something.

2001 CONFERENCE RANKINGS

Conference Score W L Win% PFPG PAPG
SEC 0.618 79 59 58.2 27.5 23.5
PAC 10 0.541 63 48 57.9 29.6 26.9
Big 12 0.449 78 59 59.0 27.4 22.4
Big East 0.423 53 40 57.4 25.6 21.2
ACC 0.201 55 49 54.6 27.8 26.4
Big 10 0.136 66 60 53.1 27.6 25.1
Mountain West -0.284 44 45 51.1 27.5 26.3
WAC -0.369 53 62 47.5 29.0 31.0
Conference USA-0.462 48 62 45.7 26.2 26.9
MAC -0.572 63 73 48.3 25.3 26.7
Independents -0.919 22 43 42.1 24.6 27.0
Sun Belt -2.091 25 49 32.9 23.3 32.2

How do you like them apples Paul? Once again the SEC ranks the toughest in the nation.

Oh, and what the hell is a Durock?

Ain't it funny that these kids have to come over to the FSU board to have any fun... go to the Georgia Board and see how many are posting over there... one Bulldog, one Seminole (me) and sometimes a Volunteer or a Rebel and a bunch of YellowJackets. And ya'll were worried that only two Seminoles were posting here.

Like Q Dog told me, ya'll need to worry about your game with Georgia Tech and not be worrying about playing the Seminoles in the Sugar... cause if your lose to LSwho or Arkansas, you won't be playing anyhow... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

MsNole, they just dont get it. To me and anyone else who has seen these georgia fans post its nothing but... :crying: :crying: Look at the number of post they have, all over here on an FSU board, and then want to ask how many FSU fans are over here, lol. Thats what happens when teams get to the top once in a while, their fans ruin it. Miami last year, Ohio St. ( turning over cars, burning them). I cant find an Oklahoma fan anywhere these days after 2000. georgia's record was no better them ours last years, so of course they were no where to be found, now they lose one game and nothing but :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: Be prepared though they will be back with a reply only thing is alot of :crying: :crying: :crying:



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