1. Kansas (8)
2. Wake Forest (12)
3. North Carolina (6)
4. Georgia Tech (1)
5. Illinois (1)
6. Syracuse
7. Connecticut
8. Oklahoma St. (1)
9. Kentucky
10. Michigan St.
11. Arizona
12. Duke
13. Louisville (1)
14. Mississippi St.
15. Texas
16. Maryland
17. Pittsburgh
18. Alabama
19. N.C. State
20. Wisconsin
21. Notre Dame
22. Florida
23. Memphis
24. Washington
25. Stanford

The ACC is my daddy.

JoltinJacket Wrote:15. Texas

This team lost James Thomas, Royal Ivey, and Brandon Mouton. Who do they have left?

Sleeper team to crack the Top 25 quickly - Toledo.

The Rockets got 2 votes for the Top 25. They return all 5 starters from a team that went 20-11 and appeared in the NIT last season. They are picked to win the MAC and they have one of the best scorers in the country with senior guard Keith Triplett.

Toledo opens the season @ Vanderbilt (1 vote in the preaseason poll) and then play a gimme game against Wright State before playing at East Carolina, vs Nevada, and at Duke. A 4-0 record going into the game against Duke could get Toledo ranked in the Top 25.

The Rockets also play Auburn in the San Juan Shootout before starting conference play.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

JoltinJacket Wrote:15. Texas

This team lost James Thomas, Royal Ivey, and Brandon Mouton. Who do they have left?

Where to start. Kenny Taylor, Brad Buckman, Sydmill Harris, Jason Klotz, PJ Tucker (one of the rising Big 12 stars), and oh probably the top recruiting class in LaMarcus Aldridge, Mike Williams and Daniel Gibson.

A sleeper team to look at is, don't laugh, Northwestern. Tony Parker's litter bro TJ is making nice strides, though not nearly as talented as big brother, he more than holds his own. Plus Mike Thompson, the Duke transfer, is eligible in December. They've got a solid nucleus coupled with legendary coach Bill Carmody and a soft Big 10, they could be making some noise come March.

peace.

GDawgs88 Wrote:The ACC is my daddy.

That's interesting....my initials are ACC! (lol sorry couldn't resist but my initials are really ACC) :)

rocketfootball Wrote:Toledo opens the season @ Vanderbilt (1 vote in the preaseason poll) and then play a gimme game against Wright State before playing at East Carolina, vs Nevada, and at Duke. A 4-0 record going into the game against Duke could get Toledo ranked in the Top 25.

I wouldn't say this if it wasn't in Greenville, but I hope you don't think you're just going to walk into Minges and get a 'W'. Big mistake. I am glad you guys are on our schedule as it's a good game to test our extremely young squad against. Looking forward to watching it.

PurplePeopleEater Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:Toledo opens the season @ Vanderbilt (1 vote in the preaseason poll) and then play a gimme game against Wright State before playing at East Carolina, vs Nevada, and at Duke.  A 4-0 record going into the game against Duke could get Toledo ranked in the Top 25.

I wouldn't say this if it wasn't in Greenville, but I hope you don't think you're just going to walk into Minges and get a 'W'. Big mistake. I am glad you guys are on our schedule as it's a good game to test our extremely young squad against. Looking forward to watching it.

Of course not. Wright State is the only gimme to start the season for us.

THG Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

JoltinJacket Wrote:15. Texas

This team lost James Thomas, Royal Ivey, and Brandon Mouton. Who do they have left?

Where to start. Kenny Taylor, Brad Buckman, Sydmill Harris, Jason Klotz, PJ Tucker (one of the rising Big 12 stars), and oh probably the top recruiting class in LaMarcus Aldridge, Mike Williams and Daniel Gibson.

A sleeper team to look at is, don't laugh, Northwestern. Tony Parker's litter bro TJ is making nice strides, though not nearly as talented as big brother, he more than holds his own. Plus Mike Thompson, the Duke transfer, is eligible in December. They've got a solid nucleus coupled with legendary coach Bill Carmody and a soft Big 10, they could be making some noise come March.

peace.

Usually, I would say this team is too young to compete, but every team is now too young to compete.

They will miss the leadership of Ivey and Mouton, especially Ivey.

rocketfootball Wrote:

PurplePeopleEater Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:Toledo opens the season @ Vanderbilt (1 vote in the preaseason poll) and then play a gimme game against Wright State before playing at East Carolina, vs Nevada, and at Duke.  A 4-0 record going into the game against Duke could get Toledo ranked in the Top 25.

I wouldn't say this if it wasn't in Greenville, but I hope you don't think you're just going to walk into Minges and get a 'W'. Big mistake. I am glad you guys are on our schedule as it's a good game to test our extremely young squad against. Looking forward to watching it.

Of course not. Wright State is the only gimme to start the season for us.

I think Wright State will be pretty good this year in the Horizon League. They are a very young and talented team and tOSU transfer Zach Williams should be able to provide some experience and leadership.

Also I think the Big 10 will finally win the ACC-Big 10 challenge this year. The Big 10 will finally return to being the top conference in the nation after 2 very bad seasons.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

THG Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

JoltinJacket Wrote:15. Texas

This team lost James Thomas, Royal Ivey, and Brandon Mouton. Who do they have left?

Where to start. Kenny Taylor, Brad Buckman, Sydmill Harris, Jason Klotz, PJ Tucker (one of the rising Big 12 stars), and oh probably the top recruiting class in LaMarcus Aldridge, Mike Williams and Daniel Gibson.

A sleeper team to look at is, don't laugh, Northwestern. Tony Parker's litter bro TJ is making nice strides, though not nearly as talented as big brother, he more than holds his own. Plus Mike Thompson, the Duke transfer, is eligible in December. They've got a solid nucleus coupled with legendary coach Bill Carmody and a soft Big 10, they could be making some noise come March.

peace.

Usually, I would say this team is too young to compete, but every team is now too young to compete.

They will miss the leadership of Ivey and Mouton, especially Ivey.

You might want to re-think this statement unless you were talking about the Big 10 Conference. Cause the ACC is not only stacked but the teams there are experienced. MD alone has like 9-10 Soph and Juniors on their team...

BuckeyeStu Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

PurplePeopleEater Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:Toledo opens the season @ Vanderbilt (1 vote in the preaseason poll) and then play a gimme game against Wright State before playing at East Carolina, vs Nevada, and at Duke.  A 4-0 record going into the game against Duke could get Toledo ranked in the Top 25.

I wouldn't say this if it wasn't in Greenville, but I hope you don't think you're just going to walk into Minges and get a 'W'. Big mistake. I am glad you guys are on our schedule as it's a good game to test our extremely young squad against. Looking forward to watching it.

Of course not. Wright State is the only gimme to start the season for us.

I think Wright State will be pretty good this year in the Horizon League. They are a very young and talented team and tOSU transfer Zach Williams should be able to provide some experience and leadership.

Also I think the Big 10 will finally win the ACC-Big 10 challenge this year. The Big 10 will finally return to being the top conference in the nation after 2 very bad seasons.

Please tell me you took a hit off a crack pipe before you posted at least that would explain such a post.

The ACC has 6 teams in the Top 25 with 5 of them in the Top 15. Big 10 has 3 teams. Now I understand that polls mean nothing but honestly the ACC is the beast of college basketball always has been always will be...

NavyDoc69 Wrote:Please tell me you took a hit off a crack pipe before you posted at least that would explain such a post.

The ACC has 6 teams in the Top 25 with 5 of them in the Top 15. Big 10 has 3 teams. Now I understand that polls mean nothing but honestly the ACC is the beast of college basketball always has been always will be...

The Big 10? The top conference? Come on Stu. Wiskey, MSU, Ill are gonna make the tourney. NW, Mich, Iowa are on the bubble. OSU, Minn, Pur, PSU, and IU are long shots to make the NIT. Maybe IU and Pur. This conference is going downhill, esp Ill. Bruce Webber hasn't brought in a solid player since he took over for Self. Pretty much all the top talent in Ill has gone elsewhere. The ACC is stacked, but wait until next year. The Big East. Can't wait.

peace.

THG Wrote:

NavyDoc69 Wrote:Please tell me you took a hit off a crack pipe before you posted at least that would explain such a post.

The ACC has 6 teams in the Top 25 with 5 of them in the Top 15.  Big 10 has 3 teams.  Now I understand that polls mean nothing but honestly the ACC is the beast of college basketball always has been always will be...

The Big 10? The top conference? Come on Stu. Wiskey, MSU, Ill are gonna make the tourney. NW, Mich, Iowa are on the bubble. OSU, Minn, Pur, PSU, and IU are long shots to make the NIT. Maybe IU and Pur. This conference is going downhill, esp Ill. Bruce Webber hasn't brought in a solid player since he took over for Self. Pretty much all the top talent in Ill has gone elsewhere. The ACC is stacked, but wait until next year. The Big East. Can't wait.

peace.

Honestly I couldn't comment on the Big LEast next year cause I have no idea who is going to be in the Big LEast next year.

Honestly I couldn't comment on the Big LEast next year cause I have no idea who is going to be in the Big LEast next year. [/quote]
Fair enough, I forgot some people live inside an ACC sheltered domicile. Think about it this way: Maryland probably will be the top team in the land next year, Duke, probably final four worthy, UNC could lose 4 players to the draft, Wake is probably losing their starting 5, GT is losing A Lot, NC St. will have seen better years (I can just see Sendek being handed his resignation, Hodge saved his job), FSU is unfortunatley on the upswing, but nowhere close to contention in the ACsquared, and Clemson, VT, UM, and Virginia.... fahhget about it. The Big East is going to be so stacked. UCONN, 'Cuse, ND, Pitt, with the addition of Cincy, 'Ville, Marquette, and Depaul. 'Nova will be vastly improved, SJU ditto, Seton Hall is probably going to be on the bubble. That's at least enough for 6 top 25 teams compared to the ACC's probable 3. But of course the '05 season hasn't even started, so I may be getting a little ahead of myself, maybe just a little. Do any of these new BE teams have the best shot at winning it all, maybe UCONN. But all I know is that we are going to see some of the best basketball man has known. I'll be happy to elaborate more if so desired.

peace.

Yes the Big East will be stacked next year.

BTW, anyone that wants to watch some good basketball tonight, turn to TNT at 1030 and watch the Nuggets take on the TWolves. I guarentee that Martin holds Garnett under 20.

Quote:Wake is probably losing their starting 5

Try again. First, who do you consider our starting 5 (considering Skip Prosser believes we have a starting 8 )? Wake only has 3 non-walk-on seniors: Taron Downey, Vytas Danelius & Jamaal Levy. Vytas & Jamaal will probably start most often & Taron is typically 1st off the bench. Chris Paul (soph) might go pro after this season, but I seriously doubt it. I believe he will be at Wake for the 2005-06 season and if a lottery pick, then leave. Justin Gray (junior) is good, but not leaving-for-the-NBA-early good. He'll be back next year, and then I hope for a good draft position. That leaves Eric Williams (junior) as the 5th frequent starter and while his play continues to improve, he will not be leaving early either, especially after the virulent case of food poisoning he had this summer & from which he is still recovering to a degree. So Wake will only be losing 2 of their starters and a total of 3 from the non-walk-on roster.

The 2005-06 season will see Chris Paul & Justin Gray starting at PG & SG, Eric Williams and Kyle Visser rotating at C (possibly add Greg Oden to the mix if he doesn't go pro straight out of HS this year), and Trent Strickland & either Cam Stanley or Kevin Swinton at F. That lineup will still have Wake at or near the top of the rankings.

Kansas may stay #1 for a while, but when the Ragin Cajuns visit Lawrence in mid-December, WATCH OUT!

Lucy Wrote:

Quote:Wake is probably losing their starting 5

Try again. First, who do you consider our starting 5 (considering Skip Prosser believes we have a starting 8 )? Wake only has 3 non-walk-on seniors: Taron Downey, Vytas Danelius & Jamaal Levy. Vytas & Jamaal will probably start most often & Taron is typically 1st off the bench. Chris Paul (soph) might go pro after this season, but I seriously doubt it. I believe he will be at Wake for the 2005-06 season and if a lottery pick, then leave. Justin Gray (junior) is good, but not leaving-for-the-NBA-early good. He'll be back next year, and then I hope for a good draft position. That leaves Eric Williams (junior) as the 5th frequent starter and while his play continues to improve, he will not be leaving early either, especially after the virulent case of food poisoning he had this summer & from which he is still recovering to a degree. So Wake will only be losing 2 of their starters and a total of 3 from the non-walk-on roster.

The 2005-06 season will see Chris Paul & Justin Gray starting at PG & SG, Eric Williams and Kyle Visser rotating at C (possibly add Greg Oden to the mix if he doesn't go pro straight out of HS this year), and Trent Strickland & either Cam Stanley or Kevin Swinton at F. That lineup will still have Wake at or near the top of the rankings.

My bad, I forgot about Eric. But Chris Paul will be going pro, and Gray is a possiblity. So total lost is Paul, Downey, Danelius (though if he repeats last season's performance, it wouldn't be considered a total loss), and Levy. That's quite a hit. Big enough hit to miss the tourney. And Oden is going pro, no chance he plays college.

peace.

Quote:But Chris Paul will be going pro, and Gray is a possiblity

THG: I feel confident enough that both Chris & Justin will be back for the 2005-06 season that I'll make a bet with you. We can do this either small $ or simple sig line bet. Whaddaya say dude? :angel: