Trooper Wrote:Not a good way to help then.

If the Bush campaign didn't OK that ad I bet they are in spin city right now.

Do you always make this little sense?

John Kerry: "I have failed as a Senator for 20 years, and I have a voting record to prove it. But hey, I have 3 purple hearts!!"

Keep the FRAUD out of office.

I'll just name one Papa Lou, Steven Gardiner. I'll let you figure out the others. I know, but if you believe what you believe from the likes of the people trying to declare Kerry a "war hero", you won't believe me anyway.


You were wrong. Just go ahead and admit it.

RebelKev Wrote:I'll just name one Papa Lou, Steven Gardiner. I'll let you figure out the others. I know, but if you believe what you believe from the likes of the people trying to declare Kerry a "war hero", you won't believe me anyway.


You were wrong. Just go ahead and admit it.

Liberals are great at dishing out criticism but they sure can't take any, can they?

Moore's movie was the Holy Grail of truth.

Now, they can't stand it that a group of Veterans is speaking out against the Fraud.

Automatically, their book and TV ad must be false. Such hypocrites.

You cavemen should quit while you are behind.

You've been owned in this thread.

:ownd:

Schadenfreude Wrote:You cavemen should quit while you are behind.

You've been owned in this thread.

:ownd:

How?????


<a href='http://swiftvets.com' target='_blank'>http://swiftvets.com</a>


These guys did serve with him. Don't confuse other organizations.


Lost the thread? How? Kerry's a fraud. The Doc that looked at his "wound" stated it was nothing. You only fail to see because of your bias. Like I said, should've stuck with Dean. I'd have had a hard time coming up with dirt on him as he is principled....just not in my principles.

"You got more waffles.....than a house of pancakes......."

BearcatCarl Wrote:Wow...SALON.COM reported it? Then it HAS to be true!

look salon reports nothing but the truth, i cant believe you would make sarcastic remarks about an zine that reports honestly on all the issues from gay animals to jesus being a homo :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Some thoughts --

That ad is:

1) not smart
2) not fair
3) not particuarly convincing

Then again, most soft-money ads, whether they be anti-Kerry or anti-Bush, usually are all guilty on those three charges.

Schadenfreude Wrote:You cavemen should quit while you are behind.

You've been owned in this thread.

:ownd:

Only in your mind, my friend. The only thing Libs own are a hard on for socialism and an affinity for unshaven fat guys from Michigan.

:snore:

Yeah,,,,,,,,,,,they had some rich guy pay the bill to bash Kerry!!!!!!!!!

rickheel Wrote:Yeah,,,,,,,,,,,they had some rich guy pay the bill to bash Kerry!!!!!!!!!

They slam conservatives who funnel money to 527s, and call one of the most extreme liberal wackos on the planet "Saint George".

Unbelievable.

On that note, it's important to be fair on the Kerry issue:

<a href='http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/06/veteran_retracts_criticism_of_kerry?pg=3' target='_blank'>One Vet retracts statement</a>

But wait...I thought none of these guys served with Kerry?

A little more perspective on the wingnut spin...

Quote:"I knew it was wrong"

John Kerry's former commanding officer now retracts a statement he signed onto at the prodding of the anti-Kerry Swift Boat Veterans that said Kerry didn't deserve the Silver Star. It was a "terrible mistake," and he felt "time pressure" from those involved in the book, the officer says. The Drudge Report, at least partly responsible for the hype around the anti-Kerry ad and book -- and which yesterday bore this blaring headline: "VETS CHARGE: KERRY KILLED FLEEING TEEN; LIED FOR MEDAL..." is linking to the Boston Globe piece with the understated headline "One Veteran retracts criticism of Kerry..."

Yes, one veteran, who happened to be Kerry's commanding officer. Since none of the other veterans who appear in the anti-Kerry ad actually served with Kerry, this retraction delivers a mighty blow to their claims. As the Globe points out: "All of Kerry's crewmates who participated and are still living said in interviews last year that the action was necessary and appropriate, and it was Elliott who recommended Kerry for the Silver Star."

From the Globe: "A key figure in the anti-Kerry campaign, Kerry's former commanding officer, backed off one of the key contentions. Lieutenant Commander George Elliott said in an interview that he had made a ''terrible mistake' in signing an affidavit that suggests Kerry did not deserve the Silver Star -- one of the main allegations in the book. The affidavit was given to The Boston Globe by the anti-Kerry group to justify assertions in their ad and book."

"Elliott is quoted as saying that Kerry ''lied about what occurred in Vietnam . . . for example, in connection with his Silver Star, I was never informed that he had simply shot a wounded, fleeing Viet Cong in the back.'"

"The statement refers to an episode in which Kerry killed a Viet Cong soldier who had been carrying a rocket launcher, part of a chain of events that formed the basis of his Silver Star. Over time, some Kerry critics have questioned whether the soldier posed a danger to Kerry's crew. Crew members have said Kerry's actions saved their lives."

"Yesterday, reached at his home, Elliott said he regretted signing the affidavit and said he still thinks Kerry deserved the Silver Star. 'I still don't think he shot the guy in the back,' Elliott said. 'It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here.'"

"Elliott said he was no under personal or political pressure to sign the statement, but he did feel ''time pressure' from those involved in the book. ''That's no excuse,' Elliott said. 'I knew it was wrong . . . In a hurry I signed it and faxed it back. That was a mistake.'

This is a losing battle for you righties... you've already turned off one very conservative Vietnam Vet in my family, who will now be voting for Kerry as a result of these smears. Keep it up... it'll make the Kerry-Edwards victory in November that much more decisive.

If you say so. :rolleyes:

Amazing that the Globe finds one guy who retracts part of his statement. Look at the full statement and you will see he backs what the rest of the men say. He thinks they are telling the truth. And why is it that they have not found the others?

Stay on the lookout, Rick...more info coming out on this story as I write...

[quote]The following statement from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is in response to an article appearing in the morning edition of the Boston Globe (“Veteran Retracts Criticism of Kerry

The Knight Time Wrote:

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:NONE of the members of this sham organization served on the same boat with Kerry. Not one.

It's a political hatchet job funded by the Republican Party. Nothing more, nothing less.

LOL.

I knew it!

I knew some big mouth liberal would say that the Republicans launched this campaign.

Note- The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were founded in the 70's. They've been campaigning against the likes of John Kerry, and specifically John Kerry for a LONG time now.

So, your little conpiracy theory is crushed.

<a href='http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9219287.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/...004/9219287.htm</a>

Veterans' group critical of Kerry backed by Bush supporter

BY WAYNE SLATER

The Dallas Morning News


AUSTIN, Texas - (KRT) - Bob Perry, a major supporter of President Bush and the Republican Party, is the biggest financial backer of a veterans group seeking to discredit Democrat John Kerry's military service, according to federal records.

Perry, a Houston homebuilder, gave $100,000 to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group that has been critical of Kerry's anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam. That accounted for two-thirds of the organization's receipts to date.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth also has hired a Dallas-area private investigator to gather information about Kerry's three Purple Hearts. Group members, including some who served with Kerry, argue he did not deserve the medals and is not fit to be president.

The Kerry campaign has accused Swift Boat Veterans of being a politically motivated group with ties to the Republican Party and the Bush administration. The Bush campaign said it is not associated with the group.

Bill Miller, a spokesman for Perry, said the Houston businessman is "a self-proclaimed Republican" who has supported many candidates and causes.

"He gives money where he believes it's needed and serves a good interest," Miller said.

Federal law restricts individual contributions to candidates, but independent groups such as Swift Boat Veterans can accept unrestricted donations. The groups are forbidden from coordinating their activities with candidates.

Perry is one of the most prolific contributors in Texas. He has donated more than $5 million to state candidates and causes since January 2000 and several hundred thousand dollars to national candidates and the GOP.

According to the organization's filing with the IRS, Swift Boat Veterans raised $158,750 from April through June 30. Other contributions included $25,000 each from Houston lawyer John O'Neill and Dallas developer Harlan Crow.

The report also shows that the group has paid $3,179 to Rockwall, Texas-based private investigator Tom Rupprath. Veterans contacted by Rupprath, who has declined to comment, said he has sought to misrepresent their accounts to damage Kerry.

And your point is......what? That a Bush supporter would fund them? Do you really believe a Kerry supporter would be? :rolleyes:

The Bush campaign is not involved in this in any way. That is the point.

Ninerfan1 Wrote:And your point is......what? That a Bush supporter would fund them? Do you really believe a Kerry supporter would be? :rolleyes:

The Bush campaign is not involved in this in any way. That is the point.

Let me make it clear...I would much rather be associated with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth than the Moveon.org/Michael Moore crowd!

So what if a Bush "supporter" is in with them? Does that implement the Bush Campain?...No.

and the claims that the democratic lawyers are making to tv stations which might air this swiftboatvets ad are also just as filled with lies
the "doctor" that they say signed off on john kerry's medical report, JC carrion (not sure on his last name spelling but that is how it sounds)
it is signed JC carrion HM1...HM1 is his rank designation hospital mate 1
there was only one doctor there and that is Dr. Louis Letson...the kerry camp claims that he is a false doctor and that another doctor signed john kerry's medical report...the corpsman signed the medical report as they almost always do, and there was only one doctor for that squadron.....so that is one lie right there

the other lie...they claim that these men claim to have served on the same boat as john kerry..and they do not..their claim is this...they served WITH john kerry..not on the same boat..but on other boats which operated right beside john kerry's swift boat..as they do operate in grouped units..not as single boats

i love how you ****ing democrats can attack anything and everything bush says or does..but let us do the same for your candidate and you cry foul, harm, you are attacking us..quit..you aren't supposed to attack us

guess what ****heads

the only thing kerry is basing his bid for the presidency off of is his ****ing 4 months in vietnam..so that makes his entire service record while in vietnam fair game....
president bush is basing his re-election bid off of his 4 years as president..so that makes everything he did during that 4 years fair game

kerry can't run off of his 20 year senate career..because he didn't do jack ****..he authored no bills of importance...didn't introduce any wide ranging bills, he voted for every single ****ing tax increase and every single ****ing military decrease, fbi decrease, cia decrease, nsa decrease..everything to protect this country he voted against

per kerry's words, we watched the second plane hit the towers and sat down realizing that none of us (the other senators with him) could think of what to do, then the plane hit the pentagon and we got the call to evacuate so we that is what we did

kerry keeps harping on president bush for sitting there for 7 minutes after being told of the attacks on the WTC before leaving his reading session with those little kids,

now figure this timeline

9:03 a.m. -- United Airlines Flight 175, carrying 65 people from Boston to Los Angeles, crashes into south tower of World Trade Center.

9:31 a.m. --President Bush calls the crashes an "apparent terrorist attack on our country."

9:40 a.m. -- Trading on Wall Street called off.

9:43 a.m. -- American Airlines Flight 77, carrying 64 people from Washington to Los Angeles, crashes near the Pentagon.

9:48 a.m. -- The Capitol and West Wing of the White House are evacuated.

so for 45 minutes kerry admits to sitting down and not being able to even think..
this is per his own damned words..and yet he has the gall to attack president bush for sitting down continuing to read to kids for 7 minutes

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:A little more perspective on the wingnut spin...

Quote:"I knew it was wrong"

John Kerry's former commanding officer now retracts a statement he signed onto at the prodding of the anti-Kerry Swift Boat Veterans that said Kerry didn't deserve the Silver Star. It was a "terrible mistake," and he felt "time pressure" from those involved in the book, the officer says. The Drudge Report, at least partly responsible for the hype around the anti-Kerry ad and book -- and which yesterday bore this blaring headline: "VETS CHARGE: KERRY KILLED FLEEING TEEN; LIED FOR MEDAL..." is linking to the Boston Globe piece with the understated headline "One Veteran retracts criticism of Kerry..."

Yes, one veteran, who happened to be Kerry's commanding officer. Since none of the other veterans who appear in the anti-Kerry ad actually served with Kerry, this retraction delivers a mighty blow to their claims. As the Globe points out: "All of Kerry's crewmates who participated and are still living said in interviews last year that the action was necessary and appropriate, and it was Elliott who recommended Kerry for the Silver Star."

From the Globe: "A key figure in the anti-Kerry campaign, Kerry's former commanding officer, backed off one of the key contentions. Lieutenant Commander George Elliott said in an interview that he had made a ''terrible mistake' in signing an affidavit that suggests Kerry did not deserve the Silver Star -- one of the main allegations in the book. The affidavit was given to The Boston Globe by the anti-Kerry group to justify assertions in their ad and book."

"Elliott is quoted as saying that Kerry ''lied about what occurred in Vietnam . . . for example, in connection with his Silver Star, I was never informed that he had simply shot a wounded, fleeing Viet Cong in the back.'"

"The statement refers to an episode in which Kerry killed a Viet Cong soldier who had been carrying a rocket launcher, part of a chain of events that formed the basis of his Silver Star. Over time, some Kerry critics have questioned whether the soldier posed a danger to Kerry's crew. Crew members have said Kerry's actions saved their lives."

"Yesterday, reached at his home, Elliott said he regretted signing the affidavit and said he still thinks Kerry deserved the Silver Star. 'I still don't think he shot the guy in the back,' Elliott said. 'It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here.'"

"Elliott said he was no under personal or political pressure to sign the statement, but he did feel ''time pressure' from those involved in the book. ''That's no excuse,' Elliott said. 'I knew it was wrong . . . In a hurry I signed it and faxed it back. That was a mistake.'

This is a losing battle for you righties... you've already turned off one very conservative Vietnam Vet in my family, who will now be voting for Kerry as a result of these smears. Keep it up... it'll make the Kerry-Edwards victory in November that much more decisive.

Hold on there Papaloo...you need to check this out.

<a href='http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_aff.html' target='_blank'>Anti-Kerry Vietnam Veterans Hold Strong</a>

[quote]Anti-Kerry Vietnam Veterans Hold Strong&nbsp; &nbsp;

The following statement from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is in response to an article appearing in the morning edition of the Boston Globe (“Veteran Retracts Criticism of Kerry