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RebelKev Wrote:
Schadenfreude Wrote:You cavemen should quit while you are behind.

You've been owned in this thread.

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How?????


<a href='http://swiftvets.com' target='_blank'>http://swiftvets.com</a>


These guys did serve with him. Don't confuse other organizations.
There is some confusion -- which is part of the goal of this ad.

Kerry led between twelve and twenty men (I'm not sure of the number off hand) into battle as an officer.

Now, more than thirty years later, all but one of the surviving members of his Swift Boat crews still support Kerry like a brother.

That's a fact. And these are the guys who knew Kerry best. These are the guys who were, so to speak, in the foxhole with Kerry.

As for these other guys taking a hatchet to Kerry's reputation?

Some apparently knew him in 'Nam. But it is a stretch to say they served "with" him. Yeah, they were there at the same time. But they weren't with him like Kerry's Band of Brothers.

In fact, it isn't even clear all these Swift Boat guys even knew Kerry.

Now, consider all the problems with this ad:

-- One of the guys who did know Kerry (a supervisor) recanted his attack on Kerry in an interview published in the Boston Globe this morning. Then, even stranger, he recanted his recantation less than 24 hours later.

Does it get any fisher than that? Who in the world leaned on him today?

-- Meanwhile, it turns out this other guy who claims he knows Kerry is lying about one of his war wounds because he treated him ... did not sign the official physicians report.

-- And most of the rest is just innuendo and crap.

-- Meanwhile, John McCain is tearing the **** out of Bush over this. He says it is a totally unfair ad -- and he's on the Bush campaign and he's one of the ultimate Vietnam warriors.

(Incidentally, McCain knows a thing or two about unfair Bush tactics. During the 2000 South Carolina primary, the Bush campaign quietly told voters that McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child.

(The child's name is Bridget, and she was adopted from Mother Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh. )

<a href='http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/03/21/the_anatomy_of_a_smear_campaign/' target='_blank'>http://www.boston.com/news/politics/presid...smear_campaign/</a>

-- Meanwhile, Bush is refusing to call on the ad's sponsors to call it off. And, as it turns out, the guy financing the campaign is not only a huge Republican from TEXAS, he has quite a few ties to Karl Rove.

This won't end well for Bush.

How can it?

Despite all this nonsense, Kerry served in Nam. In fact, he *volunteered* put his *** on the line for our country.

There is no way Americans are going to stay obsessed about whether or not Kerry was wounded *enough* in war -- when the alternative is a statewide chickenhawk who curiously disappeared in Alabama curiously close to the time when the military began routine drug testing.

(That's going to make a great TV ad, by the way. And Bush and his supporters have just left themselves wide open for it.)
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ice750 Wrote:kerry keeps harping on president bush for sitting there for 7 minutes after being told of the attacks on the WTC before leaving his reading session with those little kids,

Thursday was the first time Kerry had ever spoken of it -- in response to a question asking what he would have done.

You cavemen have this warped idea that Kerry is somehow attacking Bush.

Virtually none of his ads have even mentioned Bush.

Bush, meanwhile, has spent nearly $100 million on ads, and most of them have been direct attacks on Kerry.
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Schadenfreude Wrote:Meanwhile, Bush is refusing to call on the ad's sponsors to call it off. And, as it turns out, the guy financing the campaign is not only a huge Republican from TEXAS, he has quite a few ties to Karl Rove.
Bush's campaign said they do not question Kerry's service in vietnam. They're also not stupid enough to ask for the ad to be called off when Kerry won't call have the slew of moveon and their ilks ads. That's why it's so freakin disingenous for you, or anyone else. to be outraged about this. Your own party has been doing it for going on a year, yet you never once get on your soap box about that.

Your righteous indignation in this reagard is laughable.

And FYI, I would like nothing more than for Kerry to continue his Michael Moore like attacks on Bush. They will push him down into Mondale territory and put Bush back in for 4 more years.
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GrayBeard Wrote:The affidavits can be viewed at the linked site. Can any of you believe that the Boston Globe article could be inaccurate? Go Figure :D .
I am pretty sure the Globe got it right.

They aren't backing down.

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Schadenfreude Wrote:Virtually none of his ads have even mentioned Bush.
Why should he? He's got Soros and the moveon.org crowd doing it for him.

You cavewomen don't get it, and you never will. You're hypocricy is so evident to anyone and everyone except yourselves that it's laughable.

You hold up McCain as an authority about this ad when he didn't serve anywhere near Kerry in Nam, yet say these guys don't have room to talk because they were in a different boat on the same freakin river not 50 yards from Kerry's boat.

And FYI, swift boats weren't combat duty, they were patrol ships. Kerry himself is quoted as saying that's why he chose them.
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GrayBeard Wrote:The affidavits can be viewed at the linked site.&nbsp; &nbsp; Can any of you believe that the Boston Globe article could be inaccurate?&nbsp; Go Figure :D .
I am pretty sure the Globe got it right.

They aren't backing down.

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Your going to go with proof from the NY Times? The same NY Times that almost went under due to erroneous and fictional articles.

By the way, I am not a registered NY Times subscriber, so NO Article for me!
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And it seems to somehow have escaped the libs on this board that the guy writing the story is a PAID Kerry campaign person who wrote the forward for Kerry's campaign book. :rolleyes:
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Ninerfan1 Wrote:Bush's campaign said they do not question Kerry's service in vietnam. They're also not stupid enough to ask for the ad to be called off when Kerry won't call have the slew of moveon and their ilks ads.
There is a perception that Kerry is attacking, when he isn't. That's the white noise of the Moveon ads -- which, frankly, by and large, haven't been as vicious as the Swift Boat ad.

(I did see a doozy today about Halliburton, though).

With McCain laying into the Swift Boat ads and all, I actually think its a strategic blunder for Bush not to call on the ads to be pulled. He's John McCain, for Christ sake.

The perception is going to be that Bush is attacking. This distinction, "we will never question Kerry's service in Vietnam," is going to be lost on a lot of people.

I can't tell you how many times people here have accused Kerry of attacking Bush, when it just isn't happening much.

Quote:That's why it's so freakin disingenous for you, or anyone else. to be outraged about this.&nbsp; Your own party has been doing it for going on a year, yet you never once get on your soap box about that.

If my party has been doing it for a year, then your party is doing it now (as Knight Time so vigorously denied earlier in this thread).

And if you party isn't doing it now, then my party hasn't been doing it at all.

So pick an argument.

My outrage has been pretty consistent.

This attack sucks. It defies logic.

It takes a special kind of nerve to nickpick over whether a man was wounded *enough* in in Vietnam when *your* guy was a complete stateside ***** who couldn't even be found around the time they started drug testing in the National Guard.

I can't believe you guys think you'll win with this.

My guess: You'll turn off more people than you win over with this.

Quote:And FYI, I would like nothing more than for Kerry to continue his Michael Moore like attacks on Bush.&nbsp;

Jesus. He answers one question, and now he's Michael Moore.
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Ninerfan1 Wrote:And it seems to somehow have escaped the libs on this board that the guy writing the story is a PAID Kerry campaign person who wrote the forward for Kerry's campaign book. :rolleyes:

I see you've been reading Matt Drudge again.

That's already been debunked. The publisher says it isn't true, and the Globe backs that up.

If it's a contest of trust between Drudge and the Globe, I'll take the Globe everyday of the week.

Drudge really is a joke.
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GrayBeard Wrote:
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GrayBeard Wrote:The affidavits can be viewed at the linked site.    Can any of you believe that the Boston Globe article could be inaccurate?  Go Figure :D .
I am pretty sure the Globe got it right.

They aren't backing down.

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Your going to go with proof from the NY Times? The same NY Times that almost went under due to erroneous and fictional articles.
They didn't "almost go under." Where in the world did you come up with that? I don't even get what shard of truth you are trying to exaggerate there. It's completely baseless.

In fact, the whole Jayson Blair thing is what makes me pretty certain the Globe got it right.

The Times owns the Globe, which had it's own problem with a guy named Mike Barnacle a few years back. The Blair thing really shook up the Times and newspapers in general.

With a story so explosive, I'm thinking they were extra careful before they went to press.

And when the story was being called into question today, they issued this statement according to the Times:

The Globe found itself further embroiled in the fight when the online Drudge Report posted an article contending that the reporter who wrote the Elliott piece, Michael Kranish, had been "Commissioned to Write Official Campaign Book Foreward - While Covering Kerry."

PublicAffairs, publisher of the Kerry campaign book, said that Mr. Kranish had been retained to write the foreward for a different book, and that when it struck a deal to publish the campaign's platform, it dropped its plans to publish that book.

Martin Baron, editor of The Boston Globe, backed up that account in a statement and also stood by the quotations from Commander Elliott in his paper. "The quotes attributed to Mr. Elliott were on the record and absolutely accurate," he said.


No ambiguity there -- and if Baron didn't personally check on the accuracy of the story before it went to press yesterday, you better believe he looked into the whole thing before issuing that statement.

I think the Globe got it right.
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The Knight Time Wrote:
BearcatCarl Wrote:Yep, the embracers of Moore, Clarke, "Anonymous", and everyone else taking shots at President Bush are now screaming "dirty politics".

It's so pathetic, I don't even have the words to describe it.

Watch how these Swift Boat Vets are attacked - it won't be on the truthfulness of their statements, it will simply be called a dirty trick with no evidence or fact to back it up.
Remember, these are the same democrats who put Michael Moore in the presidential box.

I, too, can't find the words to describe how hypocritical the liberal response is to this.

Perhaps the dems can pay off Moore to make another movie, only this time he creates his own facts (again) and links the Swift Boat Veterans to Al Quieda.
You dont have words becuase the latest comercial that you use for your words hasnt been produced yet. :rolleyes:
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The Knight Time Wrote:
Socko Wiethe Wrote:
Papa Lou BSU Wrote:NONE of the members of this sham organization served on the same boat with Kerry. Not one.

It's a political hatchet job funded by the Republican Party. Nothing more, nothing less.
John McCain, who knows something about the extremes people will go to in getting their candidate elected, is calling the ad "dishonest and dishonorable."

He's also asked your pious White House to condemn it. They declined.

<a href='http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040805_1092.html' target='_blank'>http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap2004...40805_1092.html</a>
The White House neither supports it nor condemns it.

And, why the hell should they?

Did any democratic leadership denounce the Michael Moore movie? NO- in fact, they invited him to their convention.

Atleast these Veterans have some credibility since they were ACTUALLY IN VIETNAM, something Moore can't claim-credibility.

Please, don't even bring that point up again.
Did it ever occur to you that Moore's movie actually makes very logical points and if you took off your shaded glasses yu might actually learn something???

Oh wait I guess thats asking too much. You have to wait for the next GOP ad to make any argument.

I will wait. :wave:
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Socko Wiethe Wrote:
BearcatCarl Wrote:Plus, if they're making it up, they can be sued for libel/slander, and all will be well with the world.

Isn't that what we got from you guys after the Clarke book, the Moore movie, et al?

Doesn't feel too good to be on the defensive, does it?

Quid pro Quo, baby.&nbsp; 03-razz
The fact that John McCain has entered this fray should mean something to you all, but your too wrapped up in partisan fervor.

This kind of activity is bad for both campaigns, and it's terrible for the country. Plus, if the consultants are to be believed, it turns off the undecided voters, so it's not exactly the smartest tactic to engage in.

But I suppose if playing defense is your liability, you might as well try offense.
Exactly.
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The Knight Time Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:I'll just name one Papa Lou, Steven Gardiner. I'll let you figure out the others. I know, but if you believe what you believe from the likes of the people trying to declare Kerry a "war hero", you won't believe me anyway.


You were wrong. Just go ahead and admit it.
Liberals are great at dishing out criticism but they sure can't take any, can they?

Moore's movie was the Holy Grail of truth.

Now, they can't stand it that a group of Veterans is speaking out against the Fraud.

Automatically, their book and TV ad must be false. Such hypocrites.
Hypocrites???


I saw these guys on MSNBC along with the guy that Kerry pulled out of the water.

The whiners that were not even on the same boat, seem like whiny little wusses that have an agenda and it is to bash Kerry with basically no sense of anything but what they are trying to pass off to the American people.

Here are some things that were pointed out by the guy Kerry pulled out of the water.

1. He said they were recieving sniper fire. That doesnt mean its fire from all sides and all over the place. These guys on the other boats might not of had the same sense of surroundings in THEIR siuation.

2. The U. S. Government along with the U.S. Navy all agree that what happend is what happened so these guys with their 30 year old whine is a little sad.

3. Kerry was awarded his medals based on what other people put him in for. Its not like the Navy or Army or any branch just throws medals around. Especially Bronze & Silver Stars. Oh and the Navy did award these medals based on these events so instead of crying to the american people possibly they should take the argument up with the NAVY!!!!!

4. The accuser also complained about how Kerry came back and helped lead the Veterans against Vietnam and how disgraceful it was. That right there seems like motive to me.

Basically these whiners need to can it and get on with their own lives. Shut up and quit embarassing yourselves. You have another U.S. Senators and war veteran / POW telling you to can it. I mean from the begining this sounded like a bunch of garbage to begin with.

Then when you actually see these men speak out against Kerry their motives shine through. Even bright enough to show through their own bullsh_t.
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Quote:so for 45 minutes kerry admits to sitting down and not being able to even think..
this is per his own damned words..and yet he has the gall to attack president bush for sitting down continuing to read to kids for 7 minutes

HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE ______ UNITED STATES YOU DUMB _________!!!!!

Your ________ right Im ______ that he sat there with a SCARED confused look on his face. This is the "man" that is supposed to lead. Not be lead as what he looked like he was waiting for.

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MU ATO Wrote:
Quote:so for 45 minutes kerry admits to sitting down and not being able to even think..
this is per his own damned words..and yet he has the gall to attack president bush for sitting down continuing to read to kids for 7 minutes

HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE ****ING UNITED STATES YOU DUMB _________!!!!!

Your ******* right Im pissed that he sat there with a SCARED confused look on his face. This is the "man" that is supposed to lead. Not be lead as what he looked like he was waiting for.

:bang:
This is just plain foolish.
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Schadenfreude Wrote:
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GrayBeard Wrote:The affidavits can be viewed at the linked site.    Can any of you believe that the Boston Globe article could be inaccurate?  Go Figure :D .
I am pretty sure the Globe got it right.

They aren't backing down.

<a href='http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/07/politics/campaign/07ads.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1091851572-FYnnjQnF2naUSRTBH4Pj8g' target='_blank'>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/07/politics...F2naUSRTBH4Pj8g</a>
Your going to go with proof from the NY Times? The same NY Times that almost went under due to erroneous and fictional articles.
They didn't "almost go under." Where in the world did you come up with that? I don't even get what shard of truth you are trying to exaggerate there. It's completely baseless.

In fact, the whole Jayson Blair thing is what makes me pretty certain the Globe got it right.

The Times owns the Globe, which had it's own problem with a guy named Mike Barnacle a few years back. The Blair thing really shook up the Times and newspapers in general.

With a story so explosive, I'm thinking they were extra careful before they went to press.

And when the story was being called into question today, they issued this statement according to the Times:

The Globe found itself further embroiled in the fight when the online Drudge Report posted an article contending that the reporter who wrote the Elliott piece, Michael Kranish, had been "Commissioned to Write Official Campaign Book Foreward - While Covering Kerry."

PublicAffairs, publisher of the Kerry campaign book, said that Mr. Kranish had been retained to write the foreward for a different book, and that when it struck a deal to publish the campaign's platform, it dropped its plans to publish that book.

Martin Baron, editor of The Boston Globe, backed up that account in a statement and also stood by the quotations from Commander Elliott in his paper. "The quotes attributed to Mr. Elliott were on the record and absolutely accurate," he said.


No ambiguity there -- and if Baron didn't personally check on the accuracy of the story before it went to press yesterday, you better believe he looked into the whole thing before issuing that statement.

I think the Globe got it right.
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The Kerry Campaign has continued its effort to prevent our voice from being heard. You were presented with an article from Kerry's hometown newspaper, The Boston Globe, written by Michael Kranish, Kerry's biographer, claiming that Captain Elliott had withdrawn his affidavit and disavowed the ad. This is totally false.

Enclosed is Captain Elliott's affidavit executed this morning after the false Globe story.

Captain Elliott affirms his original affidavit; affirms his ad statement; and adds additional detail. In the ad, Captain Elliott says that Kerry was not honest about his service in Vietnam. This is indisputably true.

The use of a surprise false article to strike pending ads represents a new low in ambush journalism.

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Schadenfreude Wrote:This attack sucks. It defies logic.

It takes a special kind of nerve to nickpick over whether a man was wounded *enough* in in Vietnam when *your* guy was a complete stateside ***** who couldn't even be found around the time they started drug testing in the National Guard.
This is the part that I just don't get about this. Do you *really* want to attack a war veteran with multiple purple hearts and other medals, signed for by high ranking military officials, as not earning medals in combat? I just don't see the sense in calling a decorated military vet unworthy of his medals, or saying that he lied to get them - it really paints you guys as complete and utter ********. And I'm being evenhanded about that - it just doesn't look good.

I can see attacking a 20 year voting record, or attacking the fact that he protested the war after he returned - that makes perfect sense to question. Saying a vet isn't enough of a vet is really, really bizarre and distasteful. That's like saying our recently deceased helicopter pilots in Iraq are pansies that don't deserve recognition because they collided into one another rather than being shot down.
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OldCoog Wrote:
Schadenfreude Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:
Schadenfreude Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:The affidavits can be viewed at the linked site.    Can any of you believe that the Boston Globe article could be inaccurate?  Go Figure :D .
I am pretty sure the Globe got it right.

They aren't backing down.

<a href='http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/07/politics/campaign/07ads.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1091851572-FYnnjQnF2naUSRTBH4Pj8g' target='_blank'>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/07/politics...F2naUSRTBH4Pj8g</a>
Your going to go with proof from the NY Times? The same NY Times that almost went under due to erroneous and fictional articles.
They didn't "almost go under." Where in the world did you come up with that? I don't even get what shard of truth you are trying to exaggerate there. It's completely baseless.

In fact, the whole Jayson Blair thing is what makes me pretty certain the Globe got it right.

The Times owns the Globe, which had it's own problem with a guy named Mike Barnacle a few years back. The Blair thing really shook up the Times and newspapers in general.

With a story so explosive, I'm thinking they were extra careful before they went to press.

And when the story was being called into question today, they issued this statement according to the Times:

The Globe found itself further embroiled in the fight when the online Drudge Report posted an article contending that the reporter who wrote the Elliott piece, Michael Kranish, had been "Commissioned to Write Official Campaign Book Foreward - While Covering Kerry."

PublicAffairs, publisher of the Kerry campaign book, said that Mr. Kranish had been retained to write the foreward for a different book, and that when it struck a deal to publish the campaign's platform, it dropped its plans to publish that book.

Martin Baron, editor of The Boston Globe, backed up that account in a statement and also stood by the quotations from Commander Elliott in his paper. "The quotes attributed to Mr. Elliott were on the record and absolutely accurate," he said.


No ambiguity there -- and if Baron didn't personally check on the accuracy of the story before it went to press yesterday, you better believe he looked into the whole thing before issuing that statement.

I think the Globe got it right.
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August 6, 2004

Re: Swift Boat Veterans For Truth

Dear Station Manager:

The Kerry Campaign has continued its effort to prevent our voice from being heard. You were presented with an article from Kerry's hometown newspaper, The Boston Globe, written by Michael Kranish, Kerry's biographer, claiming that Captain Elliott had withdrawn his affidavit and disavowed the ad. This is totally false.

Enclosed is Captain Elliott's affidavit executed this morning after the false Globe story.

Captain Elliott affirms his original affidavit; affirms his ad statement; and adds additional detail. In the ad, Captain Elliott says that Kerry was not honest about his service in Vietnam. This is indisputably true.

The use of a surprise false article to strike pending ads represents a new low in ambush journalism.

Very truly yours,

John E. O'Neill

JEO/cas

Enclosure

<a href='http://www.swiftvets.com/Elliottaffidavit08062004.pdf' target='_blank'>Link to the letter</a>
I'm aware of the affidavit.

It was mentioned extensively in the link.

I still think The Globe got it right, for the reasons I've explained.

They continue to stand by their story:

<a href='http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2004/08/07/veteran_claims_misquote_on_kerry_globe_stands_by_its_story/' target='_blank'>http://www.boston.com/news/politics/presid...s_by_its_story/</a>
08-07-2004 07:40 AM
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THIS IS JUST MORE PROOF on how the right will go to any length any any level to try and win an election. It's disgraceful.
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