Christ our Lord.

I morn for his return.

[quote="DrTorch"] Matthew 5:39 "whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him"

And this is a challenging passage but seems likely to refer to those who are being cast out of the local synagogue.

Matthew 5: 43-45 "

If every Christian thought like you did Nate, Christians wouldn't have survived after the Roman Empire. We'd be extinct.

RebelKev Wrote:If every Christian thought like you did Nate, Christians wouldn't have survived after the Roman Empire. We'd be extinct.

How long did Christ survive? Not very long. Food for thought.

Which is better for Christianity?

a) A bunch of Christians living the way Christ lived and being persecuted for their beliefs.

b) A bunch of Christians living in a different way than Christ and being accepted with open arms by the secular world.

nate jonesacc Wrote:Which is better?

a) A bunch of Christians living the way Christ lived and being persecuted for their beliefs.

b) A bunch of Christians living in a different way than Christ and being accepted with open arms by the secular world.

definitely B

flyingswoosh Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:Which is better?

a) A bunch of Christians living the way Christ lived and being persecuted for their beliefs.

b) A bunch of Christians living in a different way than Christ and being accepted with open arms by the secular world.

definitely B

It's a good thing all Christians don't think that way. :rolleyes:

Nate, how were we supposed to "witness" to the world if we were all extinct after the Christian persecution by the Romans?

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:Which is better?

a) A bunch of Christians living the way Christ lived and being persecuted for their beliefs.

b) A bunch of Christians living in a different way than Christ and being accepted with open arms by the secular world.

definitely B

It's a good thing all Christians don't think that way. :rolleyes:

....or A, ...or the way Nate thinks.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:Which is better?

a) A bunch of Christians living the way Christ lived and being persecuted for their beliefs.

b) A bunch of Christians living in a different way than Christ and being accepted with open arms by the secular world.

definitely B

Wait, let me rephrase that above.

RebelKev Wrote:Nate, how were we supposed to "witness" to the world if we were all extinct after the Christian persecution by the Romans?

There is no way that Christianity would ever be extinct. That's like thinking terrorism will be extinct ( :rolleyes: ).

And to be honest with you, I believe like hell that Christ would rather have 0 people follow him and 1 billion who tarnish his name.

Hey Kev... is a Christian someone who lives their life for and in the model of Christ, or someone who calls themself a Christian (and ta da!)?

I defend Christ Nate and would WITH the sword (At least someone's right to believe in him), what do you do? Besides spout profanities?

RebelKev Wrote:I defend Christ Nate and would WITH the sword (At least someone's right to believe in him), what do you do? Besides spout profanities?

Defend someone's right to believe in Christ?

According to your logic, Paul didn't have the right to believe in Christ. Yet, he did, and was martyred for it. Was he an idiot or a disciple?

Are you really asking me what I DO? You talk as if Christianity is about works, rather than faith. :rolleyes:

Christianity IS about works and you said it best:

"Paul didn't have the right to believe in Christ. Yet, he did, and was martyred for it."

"How long did Christ survive? Not very long. Food for thought."

...like I said, Christianity wouldn't have been around long if every Christian felt and believed as you do.

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:Which is better?

a) A bunch of Christians living the way Christ lived and being persecuted for their beliefs.

b) A bunch of Christians living in a different way than Christ and being accepted with open arms by the secular world.

definitely B

It's a good thing all Christians don't think that way. :rolleyes:

i'm not christian, the bible is fiction. But i am a deist.

RebelKev Wrote:Christianity IS about works and you said it best:

"Paul didn't have the right to believe in Christ. Yet, he did, and was martyred for it."

"How long did Christ survive? Not very long. Food for thought."

...like I said, Christianity wouldn't have been around long if every Christian felt and believed as you do.

Christianity is about WORKS?

This takes the cake. Of all the things you have said... many people agree with you on those... But this is just completely unfounded.

Man is saved by faith alone; but not a faith that is alone.

Who said that?

And... are you saying that Paul being martyred was a BAD thing? Watch where you tred before you start attacking the man who wrote the most books of the Bible.

Kev, to you... Is Christianity all about how many nonChristians you can kill?

And Kev, I think I remember you saying that the Bible is inerrant...

It is flat out impossible to believe that the Bible is inerrant and also believe that Christianity is about works.

Kev, I think you might also want to read up on a guy named Pelagius.

He believed that works were the way to salvation. He had a small following, and was taken seriously by Christians for a while. Then came along this weird guy named Augustine who put Pelagius in his place, eventually leading to it being illegal for Pelagius to teach his beliefs in Rome anymore. In the modern church, Augustine is widely acclaimed for his theological brilliance, eloquence of speech and scholarly work. Hell, he was even beatified.

Ever heard of St. Pelagius? And I'm not talking about the 10th centure Pelagius, either.

nate jonesacc Wrote:And Kev, I think I remember you saying that the Bible is inerrant...

Nate, get off the crack. I have NEVER said that. Hell, I don't even think I've ever used that term at ALL.

As far as Paul, NO, I am NOT saying it was a bad thing, however, his death WAS a bad thing. He wasn't sent here to die as only one person was sent here to die. Paul's death was good for all Christians in that it helped Christianity, but what would his life have produced Nate? Ever thought about that? Ever researched the Bible about that?

Oh, and you believe all that BS you want about man being saved by faith alone, Nate. Don't worry about acting on it, you know, trying to witness to people and bring the people to salvation. Just worry about yourself and your faith Nate. **** everyone else, right? You son, are in need of another theology lesson from "daddy's friends".