Man, I'm awfully disappointed you ain't here to stir up crap! :eek:

I'm also disappointed you didn't answer the many responses I've made to your irrational counterarguments! :(

I, furthermore, am heartily disappointed you didn't PM me with the logisitics on our meeting and my butt whooping! I am a bleeding heart librul and I'd love for you to kick my bootay so you can feel better about yourself. :laugh:

As stated in previous posts, Calling, I will drive to meet you, you can kick my bootay and take pictures of it to be later posted on this site for all to enjoy. That way, Calling, you'll have an ego boost and you will have defeated me at something (because you certainly won't defeat me in a debate!)!!!! :snore:

No one could 'beat' you at a debate, because instead of taking logic, you take liberal propoganda and keep running and ranting like most of the far left lunatics.

And don't worry Dio, I don't think you're a communist. I think you're a socialist. There is a difference.

It's not worth my time or energy trying to *****-slap you into reality, nor is it worth your time or energy to try and prove all your crap to me, or most of this board. In the end, I still believe what I believe, you still believe your crap. Bottom line, why even bother?

As Bill O'Reilly put it " The far left ideological jihadists have smelled blood. These people don't much like America the way it is now. They want a big change. They despise President Bush. They can't stand the fact the country is based on Judeo-Christian tradition. And they think capitalism is oppressive. These people are always secular, usually quasi socialistic, and angry as hell because their message has been rejected by the vast majority of Americans. " This, Dio, is definitely YOU.

With the dow soaring, the economy growing, and millions of dollars entering my company every day, I'd rather worry about Razorback sports, the upcoming promotion I have to decide to give to someone, whether or not to switch the percentages on my 401 (k) over more to a large cap growth fund, and some very beautiful women who work alongside my company and wish to take me out to celebrate banner years for both our corporations.

So let's see... a choice... money, the Razorbacks, and gorgeous women...or you. This is a real tough choice!

So enjoy your liberal prop posting and the fact that maybe 3 or 4 people out of 3000 posters here actually agree with you. When GW Bush gets re-elected, reality for you guys will again sink in, much like the embarassment y'all suffered in 2002.

WPS

calling_the_hogs Wrote:No one could 'beat' you at a debate, because instead of taking logic, you take liberal propoganda and keep running and ranting like most of the far left lunatics.

And don't worry Dio, I don't think you're a communist. I think you're a socialist. There is a difference.

It's not worth my time or energy trying to *****-slap you into reality, nor is it worth your time or energy to try and prove all your crap to me, or most of this board. In the end, I still believe what I believe, you still believe your crap. Bottom line, why even bother?

As Bill O'Reilly put it " The far left ideological jihadists have smelled blood. These people don't much like America the way it is now. They want a big change. They despise President Bush. They can't stand the fact the country is based on Judeo-Christian tradition. And they think capitalism is oppressive. These people are always secular, usually quasi socialistic, and angry as hell because their message has been rejected by the vast majority of Americans. " This, Dio, is definitely YOU.

With the dow soaring, the economy growing, and millions of dollars entering my company every day, I'd rather worry about Razorback sports, the upcoming promotion I have to decide to give to someone, whether or not to switch the percentages on my 401 (k) over more to a large cap growth fund, and some very beautiful women who work alongside my company and wish to take me out to celebrate banner years for both our corporations.

So let's see... a choice... money, the Razorbacks, and gorgeous women...or you. This is a real tough choice!

So enjoy your liberal prop posting and the fact that maybe 3 or 4 people out of 3000 posters here actually agree with you. When GW Bush gets re-elected, reality for you guys will again sink in, much like the embarassment y'all suffered in 2002.

WPS

But Calling the Hawgs, I was going to let you kick my butt so you could feel better about yourself. I was going to let you stomp a mudhole into my arse because you have such a low self-esteen. See Calling, I was going to take one big butt-whoopin' to improve your ego. I was going to do it for you! :wave:

I'll still do it for you, Calling. I'll take the arse-kicking that your braun will deliver to me because that is what bleeding-heart pinko socialists do for their fellow brethren who have poor self esteem.

Just let me know when you want to meet for the big butt whooping. I'll drive to Wal-BentonMartville and meet you in the sporting goods section where you work (or is it the housewares section?) so you can pound me into oblivion. Please let me do this for you.


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:( I'm still disappointed you didn't respond to my posts. Obviously you are unable to answer my questions! :chair:

CTH, if you've even smelled a quiff in the past year, I'd be surprised.

Well, I guess you could have paid for it with some of that Wal-Mart money, boy!

Anyway, the point of debate isn't to just air points and say gotcha! It's to try and persuade others.

Dio has presented many holes in your logic and reasoning, as have I.

You bury your head in the sand.

Taking your marbles and going home does not constitute victory, my friend.

But, hey, enjoy all that money and trim while it lasts. . .maybe they'll appoint you head arse-kicker of America haters when the militarization of our country is complete.

once again, JBR, you are talking out of your twisted ******. Militarization of our country? Explain please, the basis for such an "out there" statement

Marine,

Timocracy--the militarization of society in ultra-nationalistic cultures such as ours. It comprises one of the degenerations of society and government as established in Platonic political philosophy circa 500 bce.

In a nutshell, Plato argued that representative style governments are the worst governments, most notably because the societies in which these governments operate will degenerate, over time, into sophism (meaning the people will not be able to discern what is really true to what is not true, instead, Truth Value will result on the voices that are the most persuasive).

On the road to a sophist society (such as ours), the governments and cultures will have five degenerations over time. Beginning with the purest of "democracy" (there are no true democracies, all are representative of some sort) the culture governed by these representatives will degenerate because those elected to represent the people will spend most of their time vying for reelection. Over time, the society governed as such will seek a clearer voice, or voices, so that government will work more efficiently.

So the next degeneration is oligarchy (state governed by a few representatives who control the business interests of the state's economy). In an oligarchic state (also called a plutocracy) the rift between the haves and the have-nots will increase. Since greed is a moral problem the culture will resort to religion to establish a clearer understanding of Truth, resulting in the next degeneration--theocracy.

A theocracy is a form of government in which the "representatives" are few and they answer to a higher religious authority rather than those who are governed, i.e. the people. In a theocratic state the society will further degenerate because the state apparatus (the few representatives) will utilize a strong military to thwart suspected "threats" of the state. Or, they could use the military to correct moral "wrongs" in other neighboring states. In the end, the theocratic state will, over time, degenerate into a timocracy in which there is no distinction between the government and the military leaders of the state.

Out of the political squabbling between the few generals in charge (in a timocracy), one will emerge more powerful and politically skilled than the others and the final degeneration is complete--despotism (the rule of the large state and society by one man).

After years of dealing with the harsh policies of one powerful ruler (power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely) the people will eventually revolt (mob rule) and establish a "democracy."

The whole process begins again.

This is platonic political theory in a nutshell (and I might have gotten the degenerations out of order because some are interchangeable). The strange thing is, this has played out in every state and society throughout the history of humanity. That is why Plato is still read today. This represents Plato's visionary status as a political philosopher, in that he could see cycles, writ large, that would play out in other societies spanning generations of time.

For more info. refer to your copy of Plato's Republic.

:snore: maybe this topic isnt my cup of tea, wake me when it's over. :snore:

thanks for taking the time to type that tho

Well, Marine, my answer was a little more on your level.

Our rates of incarceration are sky high and well above any other industrialized nations.

Thus, the inmates are victims of a military style concentration camp that punishes them for their poverty, unfortunately. Unless they decide to join the oppressor and fall victim to the poverty draft.

Then look at your local police department. Anything about SWAT teams remind you of the military?

You see the WTO in '99? Were you cheering the cops?

Those all constitute our country moving towards a "militarization" of our country into a totalitarian state where "right makes right."

We've made the airport baggers a branch of the military. Rent a cops are prowling the parking lots at Chuck E. Cheese.

Does this sound like what the founding fathers had in mind? Still sound so far-fetched now?

first off, what Dio said wasn't "above my level", I'm not a moron. I work in a very technical job market, scored well on ACT and my ASVAB (big deal, I konw, but it was important I did well to get the MOS i wanted in the Corps). JBR, let me break it down for you in another perspective. WOuld you like to know why SWAT teams are like the military? The US military is by far the best in the world, would you agree? We have certain procedures - proven procedures - in combat situations, that other organizations, like swat, are begginning to pick up on and take advantage of. Would you like to know why there are rent a cops roaming the parking lots? Because of sick bastards taking little girls, and doing God knows what to them, and then throwing them in a ditch and leaving them for dead. IT's for our own good. The goverment it not "oppressing" the US people with the military. Also, I do have sympothy for the poor. Not everyone was as fortunate as I was, to have been born of parents with stable jobs, and who didn't take advantage of my innocence. However, there are many able bodied homeless people that I do not feel sorry for, nor do I feel the goverment should provide for. Get a job! Shovel fries, anything. You can make enough money to live modestly. When I was in college, I worked three part time jobs to pay the bills for me and my wife, while we saved her check, so we could start our dreams. Easy? No, but certainly worth it. Some of these people could get their GED's and go to college. How would they pay for it? Grants, or they could join the military. They may not believe in war, but if they wanted a degree bad enough, and were willing to sacrifice, Uncle Sam has helped educate many a young person. The GI Bill is a wonderful tool. Ok, I'm rambling, but you get my point. I hope....That's just this simple Marine's point of view.