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:bang: Does this mean I have to treat Liberals with respect? If it means that, I am in deep, deep shitnitz!!!! :chair:

Someone please tell me ONE thing liberals have done that was positive. 03-nutkick
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I for one pay my taxes. Without taxes we wouldn't have a war-machine!
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KlutzDio I Wrote:I for one pay my taxes. Without taxes we wouldn't have a war-machine!
:snore: NEWSFLASH......Tell me something I don't already know. As for the war machine remark......does that mean we shold dis-arm? :chair:
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GrandFunkRailroad Wrote:
KlutzDio I Wrote:I for one pay my taxes. Without taxes we wouldn't have a war-machine!
:snore: NEWSFLASH......Tell me something I don't already know. As for the war machine remark......does that mean we shold dis-arm? :chair:
Conservatives always think that if you don't go to an extreme... you're the other extreme...

If you aren't for the war, you're against America.
If you aren't for killing Bin Laden, you side with him.
If you think that our country shouldn't be a war machine, you think we should disarm. :rolleyes:
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You asked if those left of center, characterized by the use of the ad hominem term "liberal" if we had done anything positive. I then answered your question.

No, we should not disarm. To suggest that I hold that position constitutes a strawman fallacy of logic.

Here's a link explaining it:

<a href='http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html' target='_blank'>Strawman fallacy explained here</a>
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GrandFunkRailroad Wrote::bang: Does this mean I have to treat Liberals with respect? If it means that, I am in deep, deep shitnitz!!!! :chair:
To quote the dumbest mother***er ever to be appointed to run a country into the ground, "Bring it on!"
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Oddball Wrote:
GrandFunkRailroad Wrote::bang: Does this mean I have to treat Liberals with respect? If it means that, I am in deep, deep shitnitz!!!! :chair:
To quote the dumbest mother***er ever to be appointed to run a country into the ground, "Bring it on!"
:eek: Hold me...I'm scared!!!!! Bring it....define bring it!!!! :roflol:
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Hey, Ding Dong. He already brought it.

Trouble is, he brought it right across your head.

You got britch-slapped and you didn't even realize it! :stupid:

I know one thing Cons have done for the country.

Supplied a steady source of merry-making for me when I'm home for the holidays. Not to mention a life-time of laughter. :roflol:

Okay, seriously, liberals have:

Interstate Highway System


era: 1950's-present
Proposed by Roosevelt and erected by Eisenhower (a Republican), the Interstate system was a big government project. As much as anything else in the post WWII era, the Interstate is responsible for tremendous economic growth, prosperity, and has spawned an entire culture.



GI Bill


era: 1950's
This act of Congress enabled millions upon millions of Americans to get college educations, something that most Americans had never had the opportunity to do previously. An entire generation of leaders, scientists, and business people owe their education to the GI Bill.




Labor Laws


era: 1930's-present
An end to child labor, 40 hour work weeks, the right of employees to collectively bargain, overtime pay, workplace safety, all of the things we take for granted today are thanks to liberal laws passed in the first half of this century. It was the conservatives who fought tooth and nail against the end of sweatshops and exploitation.




Marshall Plan


era: late 1940's-1950's
Foreign aid is a popular scapegoat these days. Those who would cut it should look back at the Marshall Plan, which rebuilt Europe, and is the major reason that Communism never made it past East Berlin.




Environmental Laws


era: 1970's-present
The environment has gotten much better in the last 30 years thanks to liberals. Bald Eagles fly once again thanks to endangered species laws, most rivers and lakes are clean again due to anti-pollution laws, and frequent smog days are a thing of the past in most big American cities.



Food safety laws


era: 1910's-present
Ever read Sinclair's "The Jungle?" That's what things were really like before food purity laws were on the books. Today cases of food poisoning are rare, and consumers know that whatever they buy is safe to eat.



Workplace safety laws


era: 1930's-present
Long hours in unsafe conditions are much rarer today than in the past. Tragedies such as the Triangle Shirtwaist fire and child labor have been eliminated by liberal and progressive legislation.




Social Security


era: 1930's-1970's
This program has provided three generations of Americans retirement benefits, and nearly eliminated poverty among the elderly. The program is weakening now, but for 50 years it did its job to a T.




Economic Growth


era: 1950's-1960's
Liberalism and economic prosperity go hand-in-hand. Unlike the pseudo-boom of the 1980's, the 1950's and 1960's were a period of sustained and real growth for all sectors of the economy and all social classes. Taxes were fair, government worked, and America prospered under both Democratic and Republican administrations




Space Program


era: 1950's-present
It was Kennedy who challenged us to make it to the moon, and it is under his and Johnson's administrations that the space program took off, with numerous benefits to American industry and peoples' standard of living, not to mention national pride. If you are reading this on a computer, thank the space program and the liberals who got it going.




Peace corps


era: 1960's-present
Kennedy inspired thousands of Americans to ask what they could do for their country, and the Peace Corps is his most visible and effective legacy




Civil rights movement


era: 1950's-present
Liberal ideals drove the biggest change in American society since the Civil War, the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. All Americans who believe in freedom and opportunity cannot help but be inspired by the valiant struggles of MLK and others. Also recall if you will that the major opponents of civil rights were conservatives.



The fight against Totalitarianism


era: always
World War II was fought by all Americans; liberals and conservatives fought together the evil of Nazism. The ideal we fought for was freedom and the dignity of the individual against totalitarianism. Under the leadership of Roosevelt and Truman, we won. But the battle is never over, so we must remain vigilant.




The Internet


era: 1960's-present
Not a liberal program per se, but rather a government one, which many equate as the same thing. The internet is a good example of what a government program can do when allowed to work.




The Tennessee Valley project


era: 1930's
The Depression-era government program bought electricity to thousands of impoverished families in Appalachia, prevented floods, and created thousands of new jobs.




Women's right to vote

era: 1920's-present
Before 1920, half of America's population could not exercise the essential duty of citizenship.




Universal Public Education

era: 1890's-present
The reason America is so strong economically is because we have a well-educated citizenry. Public schooling is the true melting pot of America, where every student, regardless of economic background can be taught the basics of citizenship. It is no coincidence that in the last 20 years, as conservatives have greatly weakened the public school system, that American students have scored lower on tests and our civic society has started to unravel.





National Weather Service

era: 1930's-present
This is one of those things you never think about, but you are glad its there. Far from just forecasting the weather, the NWS also provides vital data to pilots and sailors, and the NWS satellites and observation posts provide the raw data that all other weather forecasting services (private ones too!) depend on.




Scientific Research

era: 1940's-present
Much of the great discoveries in science have come about through grants from the government. This is not to say that scientific genius depends on Washington, but the fact remains that pure science is expensive, and private industry will often not fund experiments which don't have a direct commercial potential. From Salk's polio vaccine to todays Human Genome Project and Hubble Space Telescope, the government is an important partner in scientific discovery.



Product Labeling/Truth in Advertising Laws

era: 1910's-present
"We take it for granted that if a claim is made publicly for a product, it's reasonable to assume it's true. Plus, every time we check the ingredients on a can or package of food, we should mentally call down blessings on the liberals who passed the necessary legislation over the anguished howls of the conservatives, who were convinced such info would be prohibitively expensive, and too big a burden on business."





Public Health

era: 1910's-present
Government funded water and sewage systems are an important part of modernity. In addition, organizations such as the National Institute of Health and the Center for Disease Control play an important part in maintaining the national health and preventing epidemics through research, vaccination programs, etc.





Morrill Land Grant Act

era: late 1800's
This act is the reason why nearly every state in the Union has a large public university. These centers of learning have educated untold millions of Americans. If you went to a school with a state name in it, then you were helped by liberalism.




Rural Electrification

era: 1930's-1960's
This allowed remote, rural areas of the country the basic convinience of electricity. I am sure that those of us using computers on the internet, sitting in our air conditioned homes, under our electric lights consider electricity a basic necessity - one that the pure market would never have found profitable to provide to isolated farming communities.





Public Universities

era: 1890's-present day
Put a college education within the reach of nearly every American. In addition to education, many of these institutions have played key roles in all kinds of scientific research and been a strong influence on our entire society.




Bank Deposit Insurance

era: 1930's-present day
About 1934, as part of extensive New Deal banking legislation, Congress created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) to provide federal insurance for bank deposits.
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Man, you're dealing with neo-cons here...do you really think that they consider labor laws and allowing women to vote good things? :D
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That whole environment thing, too... Saving the environment is being ANTIBUSINESS AND ANTIAMERICAN!
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Like I said in a previous thread, the Repoobs, all they do is demonize those who disagree with them.

I have a Repooblican uncle and he's quite brazen. He openly says it that we should be a one-party system in the United States. He also says such things like concentration camps for liberals is something that should be considered. At first, I thought he was joking but he's really serious about this. He says liberals don't have a right to life, but unborn babies do because they can be raised to vote Repooblican.

This is what I have to look forward to on X-mas day, breaking bread with this guy. It's okay though, everytime he tries to give me advice, I just say "why don't you just kill me? I've told you that I'm left-of-center and I am not a Repooblican. What makes me any different from anyone else you disagree with? "
He replies that I'm family and he'll try to reform me. I roll my eyes and tell him I don't need reforming.

The funny thing about him is he doesn't even understand his own inconsistencies. Oh yeah, Nate, he's a Christian and he says any and all who aren't Christian should be executed, that way they'd be punished for their wickedness.

What a loon my uncle is!
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[quote="joebordenrebel"] Hey, Ding Dong. He already brought it.

Trouble is, he brought it right across your head.

You got britch-slapped and you didn't even realize it! :stupid:

I know one thing Cons have done for the country.

Supplied a steady source of merry-making for me when I'm home for the holidays. Not to mention a life-time of laughter. :roflol:

Okay, seriously, liberals have:

Interstate Highway System


era: 1950's-present
Proposed by Roosevelt and erected by Eisenhower (a Republican), the Interstate system was a big government project. As much as anything else in the post WWII era, the Interstate is responsible for tremendous economic growth, prosperity, and has spawned an entire culture.



GI Bill


era: 1950's
This act of Congress enabled millions upon millions of Americans to get college educations, something that most Americans had never had the opportunity to do previously. An entire generation of leaders, scientists, and business people owe their education to the GI Bill.




Labor Laws


era: 1930's-present
An end to child labor, 40 hour work weeks, the right of employees to collectively bargain, overtime pay, workplace safety, all of the things we take for granted today are thanks to liberal laws passed in the first half of this century. It was the conservatives who fought tooth and nail against the end of sweatshops and exploitation.




Marshall Plan


era: late 1940's-1950's
Foreign aid is a popular scapegoat these days. Those who would cut it should look back at the Marshall Plan, which rebuilt Europe, and is the major reason that Communism never made it past East Berlin.




Environmental Laws


era: 1970's-present
The environment has gotten much better in the last 30 years thanks to liberals. Bald Eagles fly once again thanks to endangered species laws, most rivers and lakes are clean again due to anti-pollution laws, and frequent smog days are a thing of the past in most big American cities.



Food safety laws


era: 1910's-present
Ever read Sinclair's "The Jungle?" That's what things were really like before food purity laws were on the books. Today cases of food poisoning are rare, and consumers know that whatever they buy is safe to eat.



Workplace safety laws


era: 1930's-present
Long hours in unsafe conditions are much rarer today than in the past. Tragedies such as the Triangle Shirtwaist fire and child labor have been eliminated by liberal and progressive legislation.




Social Security


era: 1930's-1970's
This program has provided three generations of Americans retirement benefits, and nearly eliminated poverty among the elderly. The program is weakening now, but for 50 years it did its job to a T.




Economic Growth


era: 1950's-1960's
Liberalism and economic prosperity go hand-in-hand. Unlike the pseudo-boom of the 1980's, the 1950's and 1960's were a period of sustained and real growth for all sectors of the economy and all social classes. Taxes were fair, government worked, and America prospered under both Democratic and Republican administrations




Space Program


era: 1950's-present
It was Kennedy who challenged us to make it to the moon, and it is under his and Johnson's administrations that the space program took off, with numerous benefits to American industry and peoples' standard of living, not to mention national pride. If you are reading this on a computer, thank the space program and the liberals who got it going.




Peace corps


era: 1960's-present
Kennedy inspired thousands of Americans to ask what they could do for their country, and the Peace Corps is his most visible and effective legacy




Civil rights movement


era: 1950's-present
Liberal ideals drove the biggest change in American society since the Civil War, the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. All Americans who believe in freedom and opportunity cannot help but be inspired by the valiant struggles of MLK and others. Also recall if you will that the major opponents of civil rights were conservatives.



The fight against Totalitarianism


era: always
World War II was fought by all Americans; liberals and conservatives fought together the evil of Nazism. The ideal we fought for was freedom and the dignity of the individual against totalitarianism. Under the leadership of Roosevelt and Truman, we won. But the battle is never over, so we must remain vigilant.




The Internet


era: 1960's-present
Not a liberal program per se, but rather a government one, which many equate as the same thing. The internet is a good example of what a government program can do when allowed to work.




The Tennessee Valley project


era: 1930's
The Depression-era government program bought electricity to thousands of impoverished families in Appalachia, prevented floods, and created thousands of new jobs.




Women's right to vote

era: 1920's-present
Before 1920, half of America's population could not exercise the essential duty of citizenship.




Universal Public Education

era: 1890's-present
The reason America is so strong economically is because we have a well-educated citizenry. Public schooling is the true melting pot of America, where every student, regardless of economic background can be taught the basics of citizenship. It is no coincidence that in the last 20 years, as conservatives have greatly weakened the public school system, that American students have scored lower on tests and our civic society has started to unravel.





National Weather Service

era: 1930's-present
This is one of those things you never think about, but you are glad its there. Far from just forecasting the weather, the NWS also provides vital data to pilots and sailors, and the NWS satellites and observation posts provide the raw data that all other weather forecasting services (private ones too!) depend on.




Scientific Research

era: 1940's-present
Much of the great discoveries in science have come about through grants from the government. This is not to say that scientific genius depends on Washington, but the fact remains that pure science is expensive, and private industry will often not fund experiments which don't have a direct commercial potential. From Salk's polio vaccine to todays Human Genome Project and Hubble Space Telescope, the government is an important partner in scientific discovery.



Product Labeling/Truth in Advertising Laws

era: 1910's-present
"We take it for granted that if a claim is made publicly for a product, it's reasonable to assume it's true. Plus, every time we check the ingredients on a can or package of food, we should mentally call down blessings on the liberals who passed the necessary legislation over the anguished howls of the conservatives, who were convinced such info would be prohibitively expensive, and too big a burden on business."





Public Health

era: 1910's-present
Government funded water and sewage systems are an important part of modernity. In addition, organizations such as the National Institute of Health and the Center for Disease Control play an important part in maintaining the national health and preventing epidemics through research, vaccination programs, etc.





Morrill Land Grant Act

era: late 1800's
This act is the reason why nearly every state in the Union has a large public university. These centers of learning have educated untold millions of Americans. If you went to a school with a state name in it, then you were helped by liberalism.




Rural Electrification

era: 1930's-1960's
This allowed remote, rural areas of the country the basic convinience of electricity. I am sure that those of us using computers on the internet, sitting in our air conditioned homes, under our electric lights consider electricity a basic necessity - one that the pure market would never have found profitable to provide to isolated farming communities.





Public Universities

era: 1890's-present day
Put a college education within the reach of nearly every American. In addition to education, many of these institutions have played key roles in all kinds of scientific research and been a strong influence on our entire society.




Bank Deposit Insurance

era: 1930's-present day
About 1934, as part of extensive New Deal banking legislation, Congress created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) to provide federal insurance for bank deposits.
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Do you think you could address the point presented before you dismiss me out of hand?

It's called "debate." You made a query. I answered your query. You, having nothing to say to my multiple points, made an ad hominem attack.

I'm still waiting for you to answer like an adult. . . :wave:
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joebordenrebel Wrote:Do you think you could address the point presented before you dismiss me out of hand?

It's called "debate." You made a query. I answered your query. You, having nothing to say to my multiple points, made an ad hominem attack.

I'm still waiting for you to answer like an adult. . . :wave:
:D I'll have my people contact your people...we'll have lunch..


Seriously, what do you expect me to say? You made valid points. All I can add to your remarks is that it (the laws..bills, enactments etc.) weren't solely done by a single party. IMO, it took the effort of ALL to get them passed. Granted one party was at the front and the other was sucking hind tit...but it takes Dems and Reps working together to ever get this country on the right track.

Yes, I may be a Republican....but I have never once voted a straight ticket. Unlike some on both sides of the isle, I choose a candidate whom I believe to be the bst person in a race. Be it Demo,Rep, Ind, .......hey this is America. Thank God we have the freedom to make a choice. 04-rock
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GrandFunkRailroad Wrote:Yes, I may be a Republican....but I have never once voted a straight ticket. Unlike some on both sides of the isle, I choose a candidate whom I believe to be the bst person in a race. Be it Demo,Rep, Ind, .......hey this is America. Thank God we have the freedom to make a choice. 04-rock
WORD! 04-rock
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Oh my GAWD! Would y'all look at that! A Con that sounds like he has half a brain. . .

Of course, now I'm puzzled by your lead post in the thread, which sounded much more calcified, in contrast to your latest post which sounds almost conciliatory.

Whatever the case (the booze wore off? you tied one on?) I WELCOME a free-thinking conservative! Hooray for you! 04-rock
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A to the K! 04-rock
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This one's for you, Kevie! My homeboy!

Cypress Hill--When The stuffing Goes Down

Livin on phat pockets on flat wit tha gat
Rollin around nine deuce cadillac
Still got my homies to watch my back
And they'll smoke ya BEEHIND if ya wanna come chat
Thats why some pigs an tha kids come sweatin they follow
A hollow point shell's hard ta swallow
Why wallow when ya come ta roll on i put tha clip an dust
Bring ya BUTTOCKS on, kickin dust on ya head as tha gatt busts
My grip surronded im about ta get rushed i brushed wit death
How many shells stuffed in my closet???

When tha stuffing goes down ya better be ready (when tha stuffing goes down)
When tha stuffing goes down ya better be ready (when tha stuffing goes down)
When tha stuffing goes down ya better be ready (when tha stuffing goes down)
When tha stuffing goes down ya better be ready (ya better be ready)

I told tha boyz get tha sawed off glock and tha rest of tha gats
As i strapped on tha bullet - proof vest
BOOM i think i got one to tha chest
Hot DOGGONEIT I didn't want to kill a man (stuffing!)
I still stand tall with tha hill clan ya'll better stand back
AFRICAN-AMERICANS bout ta fall I'm comin out blastin like yosemite
Sam get tha cheese an tha bread for tha ham

When tha stuffing goes down ya better be ready (when tha stuffing goes down)
When tha stuffing goes down ya better be ready (when tha stuffing goes down)
When tha stuffing goes down ya better be ready (when tha stuffing goes down)
When tha stuffing goes down ya better be ready (ya better be ready)
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