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T-Monay820 Wrote:Hey Dio, have you ever heard Chris Rock's standup on insurance?

"It should be called "In case $hit happens". If $hit don't happen, shouldn't I get my money back?"

He's wrong on many levels with some of his jokes, but they are entertaining.
Yeah that's great!

I've heard his standup on gun-control also. He says, we don't need gun control, we need bullet control. Think about it, if we made the price for a bullet $5000 each, then people would think twice before using them. Then when you find someone who has been shot five times you think, damn that m-f really deserved it. Someone went into debt to kill him! There's $25000 in him! :laugh:
12-18-2003 11:35 AM
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Wryword Wrote:Why couldn't I vote for more than one category.

I hate professional politicians and the establishment news people, who hang with the politicians on the weekends.

As for lawyers, well I am one. Just the same, I know why we have such a bad reputation, and indeed I tend to share it. But just remember this: If any of y'all get into trouble, get hit by an insured drunk driver, get took by a stockbroker, you'll be looking for the meanest junkyard lawyer dog you can find, looking for the biggest judgment you can get. Greed drives the system, and clients are as and often more greedy than the vultures they hire.
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Wry hit the nail on the head here, y'all! When you need lawyers you want them to be greedy and mean.

Think about this you lawyer-haters:
Everytime some big crime case is in the headlines, news programs on CNN and Fox (among others) always dissect and analyze all the little factoids of the case. Then they imply that suspect X IS guilty and the criminal defense attorney isn't playing fair because he/she intends to formulate their defense around some technicality. Well you know what, y'all? That defense lawyer is doing their job and in the meantime the press is demonizing them.
Basically they are saying, suspect X is guilty and look at what this low-down, no-good trial lawyer is going to argue. He/she will argue that suspect X did not kill/steal/defraud, etc. What a jerk!! How can he/she sleep at night for being morally repugnant?

Lawyers get a bad rap, as do the scum-sucking liberal media! Lawyers, like the press, constitute a business. They are in it to make money, even if they might have to do morally questionable things. Why isn't there outrage against other businesses that try to make money through deception and chicanery? I'd like to see the outrage against Wal-Mart and Kroger when they try to maximize profits by jacking up the price of milk!

I've only had to hire a lawyer once and generally I thought I could handle the case myself. I've written briefs before. I know where to file the briefs, I'm smart enough to do it. Anyway, my lawyer basically took that worry off of my plate and she called me several months later and said, "come pick up your settlement check!"
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KlutzDio I Wrote:The whole issue of tort reform and insurance companies upping their rates is a red herring. Insurance companies take in dollars on a daily basis and rarely do they have to pay a claim. It is all straight profit.

Insurance companies are the devil and if Jesus was here, he'd cast that devil out!
Put the Crack Pipe Down....And Back Away!

If you really believe that about the insurance companies, you have lost it! You need to take a look at the books for insurance companies. And don't look at the GAAP set of financials, you will need to look at the true picture, the statuatory books.

Throughout the 90's, most insurance companies ran in the red from an operational standpoint, only to break even/make a profit by investments! When the recession and the massive losses caused by 9/11 occurred, these profits dissolved! No longer could the industry maintain itself on investments. The companies were forced to increase premiums or become insolvent.

You say you pay to much in premiums because you have never had an accident. You think you should get your money back if you don't have an accident. Well if you do have an accident, should the Insuance company cap what they cover at only what you have put in in premiums on that term? There are two sides to the fence you are staring at, but you are only seeing one side of it!

And Yes, I am a Financial Analyst for an Insurance Company. I do not work for a large multinational, conglamerate, but for a small state specific company.
12-18-2003 11:45 AM
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GrayBeard Wrote:I have always said that if we could control the lawyers, the insurance apparatus would work a whole lot better for all involved.
I completely disagree, Gray. Here's why:

1. Insurance companies usually collect about an average of 175 premium payments before a claim is filed. That is alot of money paid in. Then they categorically deny the claim. After a period of weeks, the claim is finally reviewed. Then after several weeks, they cut you a check. All the while, that client's money was in the bank, in escrow, collecting interest.
2. Lawyers are part of the insurance company's client list as well. Malpractice insurance isn't just for doctors.
3. Lawyers are controlled and the controls used are called "Laws."
4. Lastly, you've forgotten what commodity insurance companies are selling, peace-of-mind (there is no such thing).
5. In many states, people are required by law to have insurance.
6. This information is not available because if it were, then there'd be outrage against the insurance monoliths in this nation. Compare their annual monetary intake with what they pay out in claims and you'll find a hearty disproportionate amount in favor of accounts receivable. One insurance guy I know said he thinks about 5% of his company's income a year goes to pay claims (and this dude is my friend, he wouldn't lie). This same guy makes alot of money and he never graduated from college. He said his area manager (for Tupelo, MS) is making about $250-large a year in salary and my friend said his boss does nothing, NOTHING!

Not related to the above information, but here's how I caught doctors exploiting the insurance companies:

Back in 1996, I was working as a local truck-driver in Tupelo, MS. My company provided health insurance (with a $1500 annual deductable) and I was having some health problems. I went to my family doctor who scheduled an appt. with a specialist. The specialist scheduled an MRI (rougly $1500 a pop). My company knew that I was strapped for cash so my boss sent a blank check with me to pay for the MRI. After my exam, I paid the bill (or my boss paid it) with a check. Two months later, that medical group (Internal Medicine of Tup) sent in to my insurance company my claim (but the bill had been paid). Later, I got a letter from my insurance company which said they paid the bill (the claim) for that MRI I had done six months previous. That doctor doubled-dipped. The medical group took the cash payment from the patient and then they turned it in to my insurance company. What they did was fraud and I reported it to the state insurance auditor. I even called the billing org. that represents that medical group. The lady I spoke with that day became very defensive when I explained what happened.
If this happened to me, think of all the other times this goes on in which no one catches the doctor double-dipping! And, nothing every came of it from the state insurance commissioner!

Doctors, insurance companies, pharamaceutical groups, they are all evil and greedy. Where's the outrage!?!?!?!?
12-18-2003 12:05 PM
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Gray, if insurance companies operate in the red, then they are spending too much money on their pet projects like Golf TOUR events and other sponsorships that they do.
My friend in Tupelo says State Farm is always blowing loot on stupid marketing style events. The whole reason they these things is to get their company name out!

State Farm sponsors an amatuer golf tournament in West Point, MS on an annual basis. My pal said State Farm spends more and more on that event each year that he's been with them. The event makes no money for State Farm. This is an example of insurance companies taking clients' money from them and throwing it away!

Also, as long as state laws mandate that I have insurance, I will always say they are evil, on top of all their questionable practices!
12-18-2003 12:11 PM
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KlutzDio I Wrote:I've heard his standup on gun-control also. He says, we don't need gun control, we need bullet control. Think about it, if we made the price for a bullet $5000 each, then people would think twice before using them. Then when you find someone who has been shot five times you think, damn that m-f really deserved it. Someone went into debt to kill him! There's $25000 in him! :laugh:
You won't even have to go to the hospital anymore. The person who shot you will come over and take his bullet back. "I believe you have my property!"
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I will agree that State Farm and Nationwide (state farm especially) seem to be major money wh0re$. They have no problem dropping you the first time you cost them a little cash. That is the drawback with them. You will pay less premium (on average), but they do not tolerate losses.

However, you are blanketing the whole industry because of a few problems with a few insurers.

Now medical malpractice is a different story (and is different from the malpractice insurance for attorneys and accountants, etc.). The premiums are rediculous because there are only a few insurers. Why so few insurers, GrayBeard? I am glad you asked. It is because the lawyers have sued the rest of them out of existence. Plain and simple.


But there is good news....You can save hundreds of dollars with Geico!

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I didn't mean to blanket the whole industry, Gray.

How do you know that lawyers sued the mom-and-pop insurance companies out of business?
Could it be the insurance monoliths just absorbed them? Could it be that people voted with their feet, that is, they simply moved over from the smaller companies and decided to do business with the larger ones to get smaller premiums?
I mean, I shop at Wal-Mart because that's the only place I can afford to shop. Once I went to Kroger because it was closer. I kept that grocery receipt. The next week I went to Wal-Mart and bought generally the same things. The Wal-Mart receipt was about 35% less than the Kroger receipt. I hate Wal-Mart but I can't afford to shop anywhere else.

And, you gotta love capitalism!

I hate the BIG insurance monoliths in this nation and I detest their lobby orgs. They are basically paying Dems and Repoobs in Congress to support any legislation that supports insurance company greed.

State Farm can go to hell along with LSU as far as I'm concerned!
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GrayBeard Wrote:But there is good news....You can save hundreds of dollars with Geico!
:roflol: :roflol:
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"I saved, i thought that meant something to you"
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KlutzDio I Wrote:
T-Monay820 Wrote:Hey Dio, have you ever heard Chris Rock's standup on insurance?

"It should be called "In case $hit happens". If $hit don't happen, shouldn't I get my money back?"

He's wrong on many levels with some of his jokes, but they are entertaining.
Yeah that's great!

I've heard his standup on gun-control also. He says, we don't need gun control, we need bullet control. Think about it, if we made the price for a bullet $5000 each, then people would think twice before using them. Then when you find someone who has been shot five times you think, damn that m-f really deserved it. Someone went into debt to kill him! There's $25000 in him! :laugh:
"Damn! I would bust a cap in yo ****** if I could afford it! Watch... I'ma get a job, save up some money, but me a real nice bullet, and ima kill you!"

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GrayBeard Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:There's no doubt America hates organized religion the most... even the so called "Christians" who are attached to America hate Christianity... that's why they take the label but not the lifestyle.
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Is there a coherent thought in there? Somewhere?
Anyone who claims to be an American and a Christian is either ignorant, wrong about their Christian claim, or truly hates Christianity.

They hate the fact that Christianity calls for nonviolent resistence of evil. They hate the fact that Christianity calls for COMPLETE surrender of your life to Christ.
They hate the fact that they must love and pray for their enemies.
They hate the fact that Christianity calls for them to love others and not the almighty dollar.
They hate the fact that going to Church each Sunday DOES NOT earn you a ticket upstairs.
They hate the fact that you can not be pro-death penalty as a Christian. Remember that guy, Jesus Christ, who was WRONGFULLY GIVEN THE DEATH PENALTY? Surely the Christ himself would love the death penalty, correct? :rolleyes:
They hate the fact that they can't live up to these standards.
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nate jonesacc Wrote:Anyone who claims to be an American and a Christian is either ignorant, wrong about their Christian claim, or truly hates Christianity.
That is one of the most idiotic statements that I have ever heard! I am really not quite sure how to respond.

And who is THEY?


And I am an American Christian. My salvation was paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ. Accepted by myself (no one else could accept it for me). My home is not here but in heaven, but until then I am an American Christian.
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GrayBeard Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:Anyone who claims to be an American and a Christian is either ignorant, wrong about their Christian claim, or truly hates Christianity.
That is one of the most idiotic statements that I have ever heard! I am really not quite sure how to respond.

And who is THEY?


And I am an American Christian. My salvation was paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ. Accepted by myself (no one else could accept it for me). My home is not here but in heaven, but until then I am an American Christian.
They... You and your ilk...

The fact that you think you're saved is hilarious... Your salvation paid for by the blood... blah blah blah... That's called Cheap Grace... the grace you bestow on yourself.

Your home is in Heaven? But your current God is America and Politics.

Will you PLEASE tell me how America and Christianity have ANYTHING to do with one another?

<a href='http://www.dbonhoeffer.org/' target='_blank'>http://www.dbonhoeffer.org/</a> Dietrich Bonhoeffer... read up.
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The idea that you can be saved as a mortal being, by yourself, is one of the biggest Christian myths out there... CHEAP GRACE...

Only one, or maybe I should say 3, decides if you are saved or not... that is the Trinity... not Jesus Christ and not God.
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BTW... Jesus Christ did not come to save and seek... He came to bring about the 2nd covenant... nothing more, nothing less... salvation and discipleship were part of the covenant, but to say that Jesus Christ came to seek and save is just not accurate.
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nate jonesacc Wrote:The idea that you can be saved as a mortal being, by yourself, is one of the biggest Christian myths out there... CHEAP GRACE...

Only one, or maybe I should say 3, decides if you are saved or not... that is the Trinity... not Jesus Christ and not God.
i'm sick of christians talking about Jesus all the time . What has Jesus ever done for me?
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flyingswoosh Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:The idea that you can be saved as a mortal being, by yourself, is one of the biggest Christian myths out there... CHEAP GRACE...

Only one, or maybe I should say 3, decides if you are saved or not... that is the Trinity... not Jesus Christ and not God.
i'm sick of christians talking about Jesus all the time . What has Jesus ever done for me?
You act as if Jesus is not fully human AND FULLY GOD...

He created you.
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oh wow, he created me. i hope he doesn't expect me to pay him for that wondrous service.
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flyingswoosh Wrote:oh wow, he created me. i hope he doesn't expect me to pay him for that wondrous service.
:rolleyes: What an arrogant, attention craving response. :rolleyes:
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