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I'm figuring this will come out about 30/70 based on the number of Cons who frequent this board but hey let the chips fall where they may. . .



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I don't vote. No use.
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Say what you will about George II. There really won't be a realistic alternative next year, the Democrats fielding a truly laughable choice this time. I am just hoping that the Democrats lose heavily in the Senate, so that we conservatives will have the chance to get bidness done with the federal courts.
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Dean is too far left and likes the taste of his own shoe leather too much to be elected President.
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Give it up, Stalin. Bush already won.

What the presidential race comes down to is who has the most money. In this case it's Bush and if the Republicans really believed the rhetoric they spewed, then John McCain would be our president right now!

If you could go back in time to the 1988 election and ask any GOP voter if they'd elect a candidate that did not serve in Vietnam, went AWOL in the guard while avoiding Nam, has questionable business dealings, a drunkard and cocaine user, got ahead in life by the good graces of the family name and was a C-student at Yale and a 1000-1 would say "hell no!"

Mix in today's anti-depressants, some weed, alcohol and a little speed here and there (ADHD "medicine") and you get today's electorate, the conservative revolution who firmly supports Bush!

I say at this point, Bush wins in a landslide, 50 states to one!
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Based on the results so far, I'd say Dean-o will out do McGovern in the getting one's ****** kicked department
12-17-2003 07:54 PM
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Who is this worthy 3rd party candidate that some people are choosing to vote for?

Or are you guys a bunch of young-uns that are trying to buck the system? I did that in '92 (I was 19) when I voted for Pea Rot, and I have regretted it ever since.
12-18-2003 08:54 AM
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I don't know who I'm vote for president, but I know I'm voting for every Democratic representative on the ticket. The though of conservative judges at the federal level is a scary one.

As for prez...

It's really a toss-up.

On one hand, I don't want to vote for a loser and whoever the Dems nominate will be just that.

On the other hand, however, I don't want to vote for Bush because I still feel as I was "lied to" about the real motives of the Iraq invasion. Me feeling "lied to" was the sole reason I voted for Dole in '96.
12-18-2003 09:39 AM
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I am a conservative/closet Libertarian, however, looking through my objective glasses, Dean is going to get slaughtered. It will be fun to watch him try to run back to the center after the primaries are over.

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12-18-2003 11:19 AM
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GrayBeard Wrote:Who is this worthy 3rd party candidate that some people are choosing to vote for?

Or are you guys a bunch of young-uns that are trying to buck the system? I did that in '92 (I was 19) when I voted for Pea Rot, and I have regretted it ever since.
Gray, look around for some transcripts of Perot's campaign speeches and you'll see that he was dead-on in some of his predictions, especially concerning NAFTA.

I think Perot was pretty durned smart, a visionary. He had some ideas that the two popular parties will never entertain (because their hands are tied by PAC's and lobby dollars).

On the 3rd parties, since 1972 about 20% of voting Americans vote third party. These numbers have remained steady since then.
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KlutzDio I Wrote:Gray, look around for some transcripts of Perot's campaign speeches and you'll see that he was dead-on in some of his predictions, especially concerning NAFTA.

I think Perot was pretty durned smart, a visionary. He had some ideas that the two popular parties will never entertain (because their hands are tied by PAC's and lobby dollars).

On the 3rd parties, since 1972 about 20% of voting Americans vote third party. These numbers have remained steady since then.
What am I, Your new project? You seem to have this fascination with using my name.

Yes Pea rot had some great ideas, and yes I thought he was a refreshing conservative option, but darn that guy was annoying. Even Dana Carvey's impersonation was less annoying than the Real Perot. Of course, my vote did not cost GHWB anything (he still won my state).

I realize I am your worst nightmare (Conservative, Christian, Insurance company employee), but come on, quit stalking me. My father-in-law is a liberal psychologist, do you need a referral? :bang:


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GrayBeard Wrote:
KlutzDio I Wrote:Gray, look around for some transcripts of Perot's campaign speeches and you'll see that he was dead-on in some of his predictions, especially concerning NAFTA.

I think Perot was pretty durned smart, a visionary. He had some ideas that the two popular parties will never entertain (because their hands are tied by PAC's and lobby dollars).

On the 3rd parties, since 1972 about 20% of voting Americans vote third party. These numbers have remained steady since then.
What am I, Your new project? You seem to have this fascination with using my name.

Yes Pea rot had some great ideas, and yes I thought he was a refreshing conservative option, but darn that guy was annoying. Even Dana Carvey's impersonation was less annoying than the Real Perot. Of course, my vote did not cost GHWB anything (he still won my state).

I realize I am your worst nightmare (Conservative, Christian, Insurance company employee), but come on, quit stalking me. My father-in-law is a liberal psychologist, do you need a referral? :bang:


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Hey man, you are just the guy responding the most the past couple of days. And, I don't need medical care, I'm already medicated to the gills on anti-depressants! That's the fix these days, take your daily pill and all will be okay! :drink:
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Wednesday, Dec. 8, 2003 9:44 a.m. EST
Media Mum on Dean's 'KKK' Fund Raiser

There's little doubt that if Howard Dean were a Republican, he'd be announcing his withdrawal from the presidential race this week, as details from a recent Dean rally - so ripe with racism it would make a Ku Klux Klansman blush - have begun seeping into print.

Since Dean is a Democrat, however, at least one prominent media columnist is saying it's no big deal that the entertainment for the ex-Vermont governor's Dec. 8 event included "N"-word jokes, imitations of Condoleezza Rice in an Amos 'n Andy accent and references to the president of the United States as a "piece of living, breathing s--t."

Credit for breaking the media embargo on Howard Dean's KKK-style Manhattan fund raiser goes to the New York Post's Deborah Orin, who first noted the "N"-word references last week, then fleshed out the details in a Post op-ed piece yesterday. [Why an op-ed, when this story belongs on the front page? But that's another matter.]

The details of what passed for entertainment at the Dean rally are as ugly as they come. Here are a few of the lowlights, according to Orin:

"Comedian David Cross******* used the N-word for blacks in a disjointed 'joke' apparently based on the premise that it's fine for a pro-Dean comic to use racial epithets as long as the goal is to claim Republicans are racists."

"Sandra Bernhard insulted Condoleezza Rice in racial terms with a 'Yes Massa' accent at another Dean fundraiser the same night."

"Dean rival Joe Lieberman got ridiculed for being unable to campaign on Jewish holidays because he's Orthodox."

"[Vice President Dick] Cheney's daughter Mary, who is gay, was called 'a big lezzie.'"

"Comic Judy Gold dissed President Bush as 'this piece of living, breathing s---' and Janeane Garofalo ridiculed the Medicare prescription-drug bill that Bush had just signed as the 'you can go f--- yourself, Grandma' bill."

As the New York-style Klan rally continued, the Democratic front-runner was said to be "fuming" backstage.

But Dean did nothing to interrupt the proceedings, and certainly hasn't returned any of the campaign cash he collected from the folks who found the anti-black humor so amusing.

Neither has Dean issued a public apology, or pledged that those "comedians" who made racially offensive statements will be barred from all future Dean events.

When asked about the outrageous comments delivered at an event held in his name, the Vermont Democrat said only that some of the language was "wrong," then added meekly, "I don't have much tolerance for ethnic humor."

So, why hasn't the press jumped ugly with Dean? Maybe it's because they don't find the racist rants delivered in his honor any more offensive than he does.

Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz offered a clue into the media's take on the racist rally, dismissing the episode in his Wednesday column by joking, "I, for one, am shocked at comedians using bad language."

GOP Congressman Peter King was less forgiving, telling Orin: "It's disgraceful. It's like an Upper West Side Manhattan left-wing Ku Klux Klan mentality. If some Southern redneck talked like this about a liberal, everyone would denounce it. But because it's Upper West Side humor, somehow it's supposed to be chic."

*****Pics of David Cross........lacking pigment so ya cant say it is an African American using the term so it OK and all.........
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:lolup: :lolup:

Dean is toast. I will laugh. Good find, Rickheel.
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Dean is definitely toast, especially when this stuff gets out.

Looks like I may be swallowing my moderately liberal pride and voting for Bush. As much as I disagree with 80% of his principles, he comes across genuine.
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You guys got to admit, David Cross is pretty damn funny.

Cross: "...so, how many of you people out there are religious? Oh, okay...a little to sacred for you huh? Well consider that a warning.
Now I'm Jewish, or at least I was raised that way. I gave up my religion early, around age 12. See, I was sitting in the synagogue one day while the other kids were out at the ballgame, after all Jews worship on Saturday. What's that sh*t all about.
Anyway, one Saturday about 17-18 years ago the Rabbi began reading from the Torah and he was talking about all these dragons and demon, giants and people being swallowed by whales. I looked up at my father, a very rational man, and the other adults in my life who attended temple that day. At that point I asked my father, "you believe this sh*t. You've got be f*cking kidding me."
....I was just too damn rational for religion!"
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I agree he is. In the right venue.
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<a href='http://www.fair.org/extra/0303/disrespect.html' target='_blank'>http://www.fair.org/extra/0303/disrespect.html</a>

<a href='http://english.pravda.ru/war/2003/03/20/44756.html' target='_blank'>http://english.pravda.ru/war/2003/03/20/44756.html</a>

Speaking of the liberal press, Ricky, I couldn't help but notice the source of your article. . .

NewsMax.com
The one publication in America breaking news the liberal media gatekeepers can't censor-NewsMax.com Magazine. Read Christopher Ruddy's hard-hitting investigative reports, with special commentaries from Fox News Bill O'Reilly, Carl Limbacher Jr., David Limbaugh, as well as many others.

Yeah, that looks objective. :roflol:
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OK, Joe, now that we have established what you think of the source, what do you think of the message the article sends? Howie is a racist? Sure looks like he supports racism! I know NM is not unbiased but all they did was report what happened. What happened to all those "non biased" papers?
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