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Quote:National Public Radio, the quasi-government propaganda outlet for left-wing news coverage, commentary and comedy, will receive $200 million from the estate of Joan B. Kroc, the late widow of McDonald's Corp. founder Ray A. Kroc, says Kevin Klose, NPR president.

That kind of money is not hamburger meat. Imagine how many fund-raisers NPR would have to hold to reach $200 million.

However, the more important point is, with all that revenue pouring into NPR coffers, where's the rationale for hitting up taxpayers to keep the enterprise going?

It's always been an outrage, anyway, that Americans are forced to help pay to air political and cultural views that many of them not only disagree with, but strongly oppose.

If National Public Radio's ultra-liberal world view is so wildly popular, then it should be able to stand on its own like its conservative opposites, such as the Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity radio shows.

And they don't even get a $200 million handout.

Clearly, the time has never been riper for NPR to give up its taxpayer subsidies. It's too rich to need them after the Kroc donation.

Indeed, congressional liberals who say they want to curb soaring deficits could start by getting behind the campaign to cut off the flow of government dollars to NPR.



--From the Friday, November 14, 2003 printed edition of the Augusta Chronicle

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Quote:I TOTALLY!!!!!!! Agree..........

Why does the fact that you toe the party line (lockstep! one two!) not surprise me in the least.

DITTO! :laugh:

Anyway, you say poTAYto, I say poTAHto. . .

NPR and PBS Too Conservative, Say Liberal Lawmakers
Jim Burns, CNSNews.com
Thursday, July 11, 2002
Wednesday House hearing on federal funding for the taxpayer-run Public Broadcasting Service and National Public Radio turned into a debate between subcommittee Republicans and Democrats about news reporting and overall programming bias.

The debate began during opening statements from members of the House Subcommittee on Telecommunications.

Wednesday's hearing included five public broadcasting officials, one cable television official, and Andrea Lafferty -- executive director of the Traditional Values Coalition and one of public television and radio's biggest critics.

Democrats contend that NPR and PBS are too conservative while the Republicans believe both networks are too liberal.

The subcommittee's ranking Democrat, Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., began the debate. "Without question, there is bias in the coverage that is on public television and radio. It is far too conservative," said Markey, drawing laughter from the crowd.

"I get tired of seeing Paul Gigot. I get tired of seeing George Will on baseball and that classic Republican, Oscar the grouch on Sesame Street. You can't turn the dial without running into Republican-oriented, conservative commentators on public television. It's just a sea of conservatism on public TV," Markey said.

"Wall Street Week, I think, has gotten even more conservative," Markey added.

Louis Rukeyser hosted "Wall Street Week" for over 20 years until PBS dismissed him earlier this year. He now hosts a similar version of the program on Friday nights on CNBC.

But Markey's Republican colleague, Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., believes there is too much liberal bias on public television, even though he conceded he watches many PBS programs.

Tauzin urged the public broadcasting officials at the subcommittee's witness table to be "more attentive" to complaints from Americans about liberal bias in their broadcasts.

"When you hear complaints from Americans about public dollars being spent and the way you should spend them, take it seriously. Don't make fun of them because they happen to believe very strongly in their [religious] faith. Don't make fun of the things they believe in," Tauzin said.

Rep. Chip Pickering, R-Miss., believes National Public Radio needs more secular and religious perspective in its broadcasts, "so NPR can, instead of being a divisive force, can be a force that creates respect for all points of view and especially those who hold deep religious beliefs and needs," he said.

The debate got heated when Rep. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, made his opening statement. He said he was tired of Republicans complaining about liberal bias in the media and insisted Republicans are trying to move NPR further to the right.

"It's the same old Republican game they play, trying to intimidate CNN, trying to intimidate newspapers, trying to play this game that this media in this country are too liberal," said Brown.

"I ask all of you," he said, looking at the public broadcast executives, "not to be intimidated by that. Don't get put over the fence by conservative Republicans trying to nail you as the liberal media. You are not the liberal media. You seem generally to be fair.

"They tell us that Fox is unbiased, which is laughable to anybody that is fair minded. I can pick out examples of NPR as I listen to it almost every morning, about its conservative bias. Paul Gigot, George Will, John Fund, Louis Rukeyser," said Brown.

"Cokie Roberts defends George Bush as a member of the family half the time," he said.

Roberts did not return phone calls Wednesday seeking comment.

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11-14-2003 12:39 PM
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First off, it is VERYYYYYY laughable that ANYONE take the position that National Propaganda Radio be considered too conservative. That is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Secondly, I don't care if it's Democratic, Republican, Green, Libertarian, etc., NO radio like that should be paid for by tax dollars.

{Excuse me, I'm still laughing that you find an article(Not biased by any means 05-nono ....sheah right) that states NPR is too conservative}

It should also not surprise you that I feel you think the Green party is too conservative.
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Before anyone calls NPR "ultra-liberal" then they should figure out why the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute regularly contribute to their news programs.

Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh standing on their own, ha! What about all the ad dollars that pays their airtime? And, Rush has had his wings clipped and all. He's boxing with kid-gloves on now!

Back to NPR news, from a journalists' persective, I enjoy listening to NPR news because you get the whole story, not just one or two perspectives. With anything going on in government or foreign policy, NPR reporters tell you what the Dems say, what the GOP says, what the major players are saying and what the voters and taxpayers are saying. This is balance, exactly what journalism is all about.
NPR news is the foremost American media authority because they do more than just give sound-bites, they give informative and perspective based reporting
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I couldn't agree more, Dio. We should be struggling against the enemy!
12-02-2003 05:30 PM
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I listen to NPR (Bolshevik Radio) religiously. In fact, at 5.14 a.m. on Monday mornings, I have my date with Cokie Roberts as I begin my drive from the Coast to Jackson. Wouldn't know what to do without NPR on those mornings.

I do feel it has a decided left-leaning stance, and if you listen regularly, you can't miss it. That's fine with me, because I expect it. What sticks in my craw is how much time is spent on the news from Israel. I really get annoyed with this.

I am not anti-Israel, but I am no Zionist either. Israel is hardly without sin with respect to the Palestinians. Fundamentally, though, the fact is that the situation in that part of the world has no solution absent a new Old Testament kind of total destruction. I just wish we in this country could steer the hell clear of that cluster****. We only injure our interests in the region by our blind prejudice in favor of Israel. We should be seeing to our own interests, and Israel is not our own interest, especially after the Pollard case.

I extremely regret our country's involvement in that hopeless mess. The troubles in Palestine are directly the result of arrangements made by the British; let them handle this on-going trouble. They have the experience,what with Northern Ireland and all.
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I agree with you on the too much Israel talk on NPR news, Wry.

During these times, I either zone out or channel surf. I really could care less about all the Israel talk but it is pertinent now, considering the fact that our president has promised democracy for the middle east. The place they need to start with the democracy is Israel
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I've been listening to NPR since the early 90's (Car Talk is still my favorite way to spend a Saturday morning on the road) when a pinko communist professor introduced me to it and, from my decidely left-leaning cat bird seat, I would say that NPR has gone nowhere if not farther RIGHT on the spectrum, largely I think in reaction to these continued accusations of their alleged "liberal" bias. Now, I have absolutely no evidence to back that up but I feel that their coverage used to present an occasional idea that challenged the respectable "spectrum of thought" but now all they do is keep within those limits. I would also use the support by the Heritage Foundation (one of their wonks was on CSPAN Sunday morning arguing that we should be sending more troops to Iraq, etc.) as further proof of their conservative agenda (not to mention ADM and other GOP funders).

And Kev, I find it absolutely laughable that you can't even wrap your head around the idea that NPR may just be a centrist or even slightly conservative organ since you are so far right that you've lost sight of the moderates. Get a GRIP, dude! :roflol:
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Could it be, Stalin, that NPR receives support from a broad and politically diverse group of businesses and organizations because they are a trusted news outlet and their contributors want the work at NPR to continue?
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JBR, the Tappet brothers are a true delight. Hard to believe you and I find pleasure in something! There is hope yet. :) I do think that NPR is more left of center, but not as much as they once were. You listen to it and then decide for yourself. The whole argument is pointless other than they do try to intimate they have no bias. I will decide for myself the validity of their report. It is not so much what they say, but how they say it. Sure, they could give one side of the story, but as everyone should know, it is how you bracket things if you want to make a point. How many sound bites are obviously cut off at a certain point to make someone seem to want to say one thing, only to find out the rest of the statement, had it been given, would have given a different point of view. All media does it, liberal or conservative.
My wife used to work for the Public Station in Richmond and the station had more $$$$$$$ than God. I did send them monies every year as my kids loved to watch their afternoon programing. There were a lot of angry folks around town after the local paper did a story on the coffers at CVTV.
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What you are talking about here, Rick, that is the cutting off of one's quotes in order to make a story sound a certain way, that is something that all media outlets do. They do this for many reasons, mainly because alot of what they get as far as quotes go, do not pertain to their story. Also, there are time and/or space limitations which falls on the editing side of media outlets.

One thing you'd have a hard time proving, though, is that there is a concerted effort by those in journalism to actively influence readers toward a particular political identity. There are no staff meetings at most mainstream media outlets in which those in charge tell underlings to sauce up their reports to make either the GOP or the Dems look bad. There is no conspiracy here.

Actually, since this discussion is related to something my brother and I were just talking about, I'll add this snippet of our conversation:

EBR said, "...well, media outlets with an agenda..."
I replied, "an agenda? What do you mean?"
he said, "you know, certain newspapers and news magazine TV shows have an agenda."
I replied, "I agree, they do have an agenda and that is to make money. That is their only agenda."

Since we are living in a time in which there has been a "conservative revolution" I would say that most media outlets who want to continue making money, will lean toward the right in order to entice ad clients and readers/viewers.
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Come on, you know as well as I that the way a persons words are used can lead you one way or another. There are liberal and conservative outlets who do it. Both sides are guilty of it. What about the drive lately to launch liberal talk radio? Is that not indicitive of one sides desire to influence the way we think? Bottom line is we all need to look at all sides and make our own decisions.
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Kev...don't hide it...we all know you're a Gore lover.... :D :laugh: :laugh:
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rickheel Wrote:Bottom line is we all need to look at all sides and make our own decisions.
Amen, I just wish the neocons would do this!

While I am left-of-center, I have historically voted Republican (more independent here lately, but if I had to claim one party then I'd have to claim the lunatic GOP) because they are usually the lesser of two evils.
I have a knack for hearing all sides of any issue and usually the GOPpers don't have a clue on the issues. They usually turn any discussion into a fallacy-driven rhetorical battle.
Here's an example:

Liberal X: maybe we shouldn't invade Iraq...
Neocon Y: I think it's clear that Liberal X is unAmerican, proFrench and hates our society and loves Saddam Hussein because Liberal X is so durn liberal!

Here's another example:
Liberal X: in this country gay people should be able to marry their partners if they feel so inclined. After all this is a free country....
Neocon Y: obviously Liberal X is some devil worshipper who wants the institution of marriage to be dissolved in this country so anarchy will follow. Those durn liberal commie pinkos are just a bunch of anarchists who don't want any laws and they want a bunch of perverted sex going on....

The problem with Neocon Y is that he/she is using fallacious logic in answering Liberal X. He/she is doing this because Neocon Y cannot think properly. Neocon Y is a lazy thinker who does not look at all of the ramifications of given issue.

In the first example, Neocon Y is using a strawman fallacy to refute Liberal X. Liberal X said nothing about whether they love or hate America or their feelings toward Saddam. Neocon Y is also using an appeal to emotion and an appeal to force in their rhetorical quip. Neocon Y is saying, in effect, 'if you don't agree with me then you don't deserve to live here. You don't deserve to be an American if you don't agree with me.'

The fallacies reign supreme in the thinking of Neocon Y in example 2!
Liberal X is just pointing out that this is a free country and if adults want to get married and happen to be the same sex, then so be it, that is what America is all about.
Neocon Y is grasping at straws claiming that gay marriage will destory the institution altogether. This reasoning is fallacious because Neocon Y is using a red herring to divert attention from the real issue. Talking about the end of the institution of marriage has absolutely nothing to do with Liberal X's statement. IF anything, Liberal X wants to strengthen the institution.
Neocon Y, also, is leaving out alot of information in their counter to Liberal X. They forget that while this is a predominantly Christian nation, that is not the only religion in the States. We are free to follow no religion at all and doing so does not make us devil worshippers. Also, Neocon Y forgets that most heterosexual marriages end in divorce and if anything, that threatens the institution moreso than gay people.
Also, claiming that gays are perverts is an ad hominem and has no weight in logic.

So, we see the problems that plague neocons and that is lazy thinking. Neocons are just too damn thoughtless, for the most part, to examine the other side of each and every issue. Even if they do look at all the info on a given issue, they will not listen to the way things are explained and consequently, they resort to rhetoric to prove a point, which has no weight in logic.

Now, another disclaimer here. Whenever I get together with blindly liberal thinkers, they do the same thing, just with a liberal bent on it. Actually, I'm trying to think of what disgusts me more, lazy thinking liberals or lazy thinking neocons!
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KD, did you know GW was the first Republican that I have ever voted for?

Just a little information for you since you think I am a Neocon.
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RebelKev Wrote:KD, did you know GW was the first Republican that I have ever voted for?

Just a little information for you since you think I am a Neocon.
Was that sarcasm or something?

Neocon means new conservative. Since GW is the first Repub you voted for then you fit the description!

GW is a neocon too. Sniffing cocaine and guzzling beer are not conservative traits. Galavantin' across the country living off of Daddy's good name is not the ideal conservative. Going AWOL during Guard duty while avoiding the Vietnam draft is not the behavior of a typical conservative.
While these things were loathed by conservatives during my youth, they are acceptable now that a GOPper has behaved as such.
GW is the new conservative.

See, my point is that GW is not an individual, rather he was the GOP poster-boy that could be marketed enough to take the White House. The fact that GW is our next president until 09 makes up for the GOP running a feeble contender in 96.
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Quote:Was that sarcasm or something?


A little too subtle for sarcasm, methinks! :laugh:

The was just pure dee ole fashioned D-U-M-B! :stupid:

Who did you vote for before, Kev? Ross Perot? Pat Robertson? :roflol:

You're KILLING ME, dude! :roflol:
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You gotta understand that anything that gives the full story is liberal and anything that gives the right wing side of things is perfect!

NPR is an outstanding news source... Every news source is gonna be tilted a bit one way or the other, NPR is the closest to center.

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