nate jonesacc Wrote:Duke has better frosh, Maryland has better returners.

exactely why Maryland should be #1 in any PRESEASON ACC Poll...

nate jonesacc Wrote:1) Say Duke started Casey Sanders, Andre Buckner, Nick Horvath and Dahntay Jones with Chris Duhon. That's all upperclassmen. Of course they wouldnt win many games, but by the logic you used above, they would be good because 5 upperclassmen are starting.

that was not my logic...since when do Casey Sanders, Andre Buckner, Nick Horvath and Dahntay Jones have serious playing experience in back to back final fours...that was my logic

nate jonesacc Wrote:BTW, Dahntay Jones, Daniel Ewing and Chris Duhon will both be all acc this season and Dahntay will be 1st team. Bank on that.

ewing is indeed your best player (at least at this point) he was very impressive last year..lot's a poise and a great stroke, hopefully he can expand on a terrific freshamn season...

and if Dahntay makes first team all acc...i like my crow with BBQ sauce, lot's of BBQ sauce.

I think everyone can agree the ACC is wide open. Unless one of the top 5 (Duke, MD, UVA, NCST, GT) gels faster than expected, I see the ACC champion having at least 4 losses this year. There won't be one team at 16-0 or 15-1, then the rest of the pack. I think the top 5 or 6 teams will all have conf. records ranging between 12-4 and 9-7. Then again, you never can tell in the ACC...

JoltinJacket Wrote:I think everyone can agree the ACC is wide open. Unless one of the top 5 (Duke, MD, UVA, NCST, GT) gels faster than expected, I see the ACC champion having at least 4 losses this year. There won't be one team at 16-0 or 15-1, then the rest of the pack. I think the top 5 or 6 teams will all have conf. records ranging between 12-4 and 9-7. Then again, you never can tell in the ACC...

agreed, I could foresee a 12-4 (maybe 13-3) record winning the regular season ACC title...the tournament should be very interesting this year with everyone of of these talented teams peaking in mid march...GOD I LOVE HOOPS SEASON!!!!

DamascusTerp2 Wrote:not really, the only thing that would plunge them to the depths that UNC is at is if GW were to retire unexpectedly...if not, they will be "in the thick of things" for a long long time. The system that is here is a proven machine that will keep working as long as Gary is there...

That's exactly my point. Gary won't be there forever. That's not to say he's going anywhere anytime soon... but sometimes it's hard to replace a really successful coach and keep the system intact.

-JD

DamascusTerp2 Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:1) Say Duke started Casey Sanders, Andre Buckner, Nick Horvath and Dahntay Jones with Chris Duhon. That's all upperclassmen. Of course they wouldnt win many games, but by the logic you used above, they would be good because 5 upperclassmen are starting.

that was not my logic...since when do Casey Sanders, Andre Buckner, Nick Horvath and Dahntay Jones have serious playing experience in back to back final fours...that was my logic

all of them have experience winning it all, playing in a FF, beating maryland in a FF (sorry, just had to say that ), winning 4 straight (not Dahntay) ACC tourny titles, and 3 out of the last 4 ACC reg season titles.

I'd say thats exp.

JD Heel Wrote:That's exactly my point. Gary won't be there forever. That's not to say he's going anywhere anytime soon... but sometimes it's hard to replace a really successful coach and keep the system intact.

-JD

nah...unlike UNC, I know that maryland will be very careful when it somes to replacing gary...IMO, the decision has already been made. The system will stay intact and will be uninterrupted.

IMO, although it was the right decision, the Bill Guthridge era killed UNC

DamascusTerp2 Wrote:

JD Heel Wrote:That's exactly my point.  Gary won't be there forever.  That's not to say he's going anywhere anytime soon... but sometimes it's hard to replace a really successful coach and keep the system intact.

-JD

nah...unlike UNC, I know that maryland will be very careful when it somes to replacing gary...IMO, the decision has already been made. The system will stay intact and will be uninterrupted.

IMO, although it was the right decision, the Bill Guthridge era killed UNC

Just curious, but who do you think it will be?

Former player? I have no clue, but I do know to make sure you don't pick someone like DOH! UNC already made that mistake... lol.

Gary should have about the same time K has left, maybe 7-10 years more, health permitting.

Eh, I don't think it was Gut. He was actually a pretty good in-game coach. He did go to 2 FFs in 3 years.

I think it's mainly Doh.

If you gave that UNC team of last year to Coach K, Gary, Lute, Izzo or Bill Self, they would have made the tourney, I guarantee it. There's no way that much talent, coached well, couldn't at least MAKE the NCAA tourney.

Dave Dickerson...I believe that he will be a head coach in a year or so (he is a current assistant, who would have left last year, but stayed for obvious reasons) he will a head coach for however long Gary stays (at least 10 years IMO) and then will come back and take over....

Oh, and DT, when Gary leaves, the system will be interrupted. It's just natural that when a coach like Gary retires, there will be a transition period. I don't care who the coach is, there will be a down season in between G Dub and the next coach.

nate jonesacc Wrote:Eh, I don't think it was Gut. He was actually a pretty good in-game coach. He did go to 2 FFs in 3 years.

I think it's mainly Doh.

If you gave that UNC team of last year to Coach K, Gary, Lute, Izzo or Bill Self, they would have made the tourney, I guarantee it. There's no way that much talent, coached well, couldn't at least MAKE the NCAA tourney.

no no no..I didn't say Guthridge himself, he was indeed an excellent head coach...I meant the era (everything surrounding his tenency)...I wouldn't trade two years of greatness (which was all he wanted to coach) for what they have now...

nate jonesacc Wrote:Oh, and DT, when Gary leaves, the system will be interrupted. It's just natural that when a coach like Gary retires, there will be a transition period. I don't care who the coach is, there will be a down season in between G Dub and the next coach.

um case in point..Dean Smith to Bill Guthridge...any interruption there...

Gut had the Dean system down well, but his in-game coaching was nothing like Dean's. Also, his recruiting was less than stellar.

I also disagree that your list of coaches make the tourney with last year's UNC team. I do think they could have done better, though.

I still haven't thrown in the white flag on Doh.

-JD

DamascusTerp2 Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:Eh, I don't think it was Gut. He was actually a pretty good in-game coach. He did go to 2 FFs in 3 years.

I think it's mainly Doh.

If you gave that UNC team of last year to Coach K, Gary, Lute, Izzo or Bill Self, they would have made the tourney, I guarantee it. There's no way that much talent, coached well, couldn't at least MAKE the NCAA tourney.

no no no..I didn't say Guthridge himself, he was indeed an excellent head coach...I meant the era (everything surrounding his tenency)...I wouldn't trade two years of greatness (which was all he wanted to coach) for what they have now...

I see... And you have a very good point.

I'm just curious, though, which is it? Was Gut's era good or bad?

Because you said in one post that there was no interruption between Dean and Gut. Then in another you say that Gut's era led to the demise of UNC or something to that effect.

JD Heel Wrote:Gut had the Dean system down well, but his in-game coaching was nothing like Dean's. Also, his recruiting was less than stellar.

I also disagree that your list of coaches make the tourney with last year's UNC team. I do think they could have done better, though.

I still haven't thrown in the white flag on Doh.

-JD

Of course, there will never be another coach that taught the game as well as Dean.

Coach K may end up having more wins, NCs, and FFs, but overall, Dean was a better teacher of the game and revolutionized basketball during the time.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about last year's UNC team, though.

I think part of it with Guthridge was the fact that the players he was recruiting knew (just like everyone else) that he was just going to hang around for a couple years. I think that scared (for lack of a better term) away some of them...they didn't want to go to a school that would be facing a transition period.

nate jonesacc Wrote:I'm just curious, though, which is it? Was Gut's era good or bad?

Because you said in one post that there was no interruption between Dean and Gut. Then in another you say that Gut's era led to the demise of UNC or something to that effect.

i never said the guthridge era was bad in terms of performance...of course, it was very good, but ultimately, it led to the demise of the UNC program...

make more sense?

DamascusTerp2 Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:I'm just curious, though, which is it? Was Gut's era good or bad?

Because you said in one post that there was no interruption between Dean and Gut. Then in another you say that Gut's era led to the demise of UNC or something to that effect.

i never said the guthridge era was bad in terms of performance...of course, it was very good, but ultimately, it led to the demise of the UNC program...

make more sense?

I see now. Thanks for clarifying that.