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Florida voting rights not denied, Justice finds
May 28, 2002 Posted: 11:47 PM EDT (0347 GMT)




WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Justice Department has concluded that the vast majority of Floridians were not denied their right to vote during the 2000 presidential elections, and that the few problems that did exist could not have affected George W. Bush's victory, CNN has learned.

"The Civil Rights Division found no credible evidence in our investigations that Floridians were intentionally denied their right to vote during the November 2000 election," Assistant Attorney General Ralph Boyd wrote in a letter to Capitol Hill on Tuesday.

CNN obtained a copy of the letter Boyd sent to Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. The letter was sent in response to questions submitted following Boyd's appearance before the panel last week.

Justice Department officials declined comment, but confirmed Boyd had sent a letter to the Senate committee.

Boyd appeared May 21 before the committee and disclosed that lawsuits will likely be brought against three Florida counties following an 18-month investigation.

"Let me be clear, the Civil Rights Division's investigations identified only a limited number of Floridians who were unable to vote, a number that does not reasonably cast any doubt on President Bush's several hundred vote margin of victory in Florida," Boyd said.

"We did identify and speak with voters who told us they experienced difficulty while voting," Boyd said. "We also found some localized, but significant pockets of confusion and delay in certain counties, often resulting from lack of language assistance," Boyd said.

"I want to emphasize however that while these conditions may have been significant in some areas, the Civil Rights Division has identified very few voters who actually were prevented from voting or left the polls because of these conditions," he concluded.

The civil rights chief did not identify the three counties where lawsuits are expected to be filed, but said most of the difficulties involved language problems and lack of assistance for Spanish-speaking voters. In one county, two Haitian-speaking voters were denied language assistance, Boyd said.

"I am pleased to say that these three jurisdictions are cooperating in our efforts to address deficiencies in their voting procedures," Boyd said.
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Paging Mr. Liquid Karma. Liquid Karma please report to the front desk.
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My brain hurts too much today to discuss politics.

Let me get back to you on this one tomorrow.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK I'll bite on this one...

"We did identify and speak with voters who told us they experienced difficulty while voting," Boyd said. "We also found some localized, but significant pockets of confusion and delay in certain counties, often resulting from lack of language assistance," Boyd said.

The civil rights chief did not identify the three counties where lawsuits are expected to be filed, but said most of the difficulties involved language problems and lack of assistance for Spanish-speaking voters. In one county, two Haitian-speaking voters were denied language assistance, Boyd said.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK let me see if I understand this...

You can't even speak our F'ing language and you're crying about civil rights?!@#$#!@@!

Good God don't even get me started on this one...

Learn to speak English and you have no problems...

Hell why do they even get a vote if they can't even learn our language...

And before you try to go there...

My Great Grandmother/Father came over on the boat from Greece and yes they learned the fricken language.

If I were in Greece and wanted a voice in the government you can bet your Arse I better speak their language or they will ignore me....

Screw these people kick them the hell out of our country....
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If you can't speak english you have no business even being a citizen of this country, not to mention having the right to vote.
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While I agree that it is best for all involved if immigrants learn to speak english, is it realistic to expect them to be able to as soon as they arrive? We are supposed to be the melting pot, so I think we should be able to cut some people a bit of slack here. Just because you can't speak english doesn't mean you are stupid.

Anyway, the election in Florida was a cluster****. Neither candidate cared about "all the votes counting". They both only cared about getting themselves elected, and were prepared to do anything and screw anyone necessary to get elected. Pretty inspiring leadership!
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Liquid Karma:
If you can't speak english you have no business even being a citizen of this country, not to mention having the right to vote.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
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OK on this one (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong) You must be a US citizen to vote and if you were not born here that takes at minimum 7 years last time I heard... So I believe 7 years is enough time to learn english well enough to communicate.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by apocalypse dude:
While I agree that it is best for all involved if immigrants learn to speak english, is it realistic to expect them to be able to as soon as they arrive? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
They both only cared about getting themselves elected, and were prepared to do anything and screw anyone necessary to get elected. Pretty inspiring leadership!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Also last time I checked this was politics as normal... This is all any politians cares about getting elected or re-elected...
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OK, so how do you define "speak english"? Give me some standards here. My father married an immigrant who became a citizen in the last year. Her english is just about getting to the point where it is "ok". You can carry on a conversation, but sometimes its difficult. I know she doesn't catch a lot when we all get together for a dinner.

I've also worked with citizens from various countries who still do not speak great english to the point where there is a real language barrier. These same people are probably more intelligent than 99% of the people who post here. They are able to design complex systems and work hard. Obviously, the answer is to GET RID OF THEM!!!!

Futhermore, its been my experience that these same people probably love this country more than those who were born here. So how about a little compassion?
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by NavyDoc69:
Also last time I checked this was politics as normal... This is all any politians cares about getting elected or re-elected...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Perhaps true, but its a sad statement about American politics. Dubyah seems to be continuing in this tact as well.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by apocalypse dude:
. Dubyah seems to be continuing in this tact as well.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ErnieMcCracken:
If these people are so smart.... working a voting machine should be like wiping their own backside! Simply stated if they are indeed that smart and they should realize that they are not in a position to vote and will work in the coming years to polish their English. If they cannot, they do not love this country as you so described and are better off not voting.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Simply stated, if you can't see 2 feet outside yourself and put yourself in someone elses shoes perhaps we'd all be better off if you didn't vote.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ErnieMcCracken:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Perhaps true, but its a sad statement about American politics. Dubyah seems to be continuing in this tact as well.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh com'on... why are you labeling one person? Perhaps resentment? Perhaps you've got such a raging hard-on to bust his chops all blood that used to be in your brain has since left?

...that would be the only thing that could explain such an inane post.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Didn't label one person. I clearly stated that Gore is no better. Since you asked....

Inexplicably Large tax cut at inopportune moment
Protectionist Steel tarriffs(while telling the rest of the world to open their markets no less!)
Inexplicably large farm subsidies
Failure to show any confidence in American economy for fear that recession becomes "his"
Completely unopen to the idea of opening markets to cuba(little help for bro here)
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ErnieMcCracken:
Attacking me... a witty retort.

Much like those politicians you grimaced about only a few minutes ago.

I addressed your replies directly, do you care to do the same or shall we consider this topic resolved?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh please. This coming from a person who calls anyone a yutz for having a different opinion before anyone has had a chance to disagree. Sounds like you've got a real open mind there. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by apocalypse dude:

Inexplicably large farm subsidies

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not inexplicable. When you consider that the majority of El Pretzeldente's voters come from rural areas it's easy to see why he decided to suck up to them.

Politics.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Liquid Karma:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by apocalypse dude:

Inexplicably large farm subsidies

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not inexplicable. When you consider that the majority of El Pretzeldente's voters come from rural areas it's easy to see why he decided to suck up to them.

Politics.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ding, ding, ding!!!!!
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ErnieMcCracken:
b) this is not the place for it.

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wrong. This is the place for it.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ErnieMcCracken:
I'm not going to get into the politics of one administration simply because a) I don't follow it that intently, and b) this is not the place for it.

However just some things to ponder: Inexplicable, and inopportune are words most commonly used in hindsight, as well as narrowminded. Perhaps you should chose your adjectives a bit more wisely. ...ya yutz!! <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" />

...sorry read post above, couldn't resist. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So, this is a fancy way of saying that you are talking out your ass? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

<small>[ May 29, 2002, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: apocalypse dude ]</small>
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ErnieMcCracken:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So, this is a fancy way of saying that you are talking out your ass? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">...pretty much!! <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now i feel strongly that we'd all be better off if you didn't vote. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by rickheel:

"The Civil Rights Division found no credible evidence in our investigations that Floridians were intentionally denied their right to vote during the November 2000 election," Assistant Attorney General Ralph Boyd wrote in a letter to Capitol Hill on Tuesday.

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Interesting word there...

<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/05/28/national2001EDT0782.DTL" target="_blank">Here is another link to the same story with some information omitted from Rick's earlier snippet.</a>

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Justice Department officials are considering suing the three Florida counties over their handling of the 2000 presidential election, saying that even though problems were unintentional, they may have deprived some voters of their rights. The three counties are Miami-Dade, Orange and Osceola. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Funny that this part didn't find it's way into the snippet Rick provided us. Even though the final result was not necessarily affected by these voters being turned away, it's obvious that a problem did exist.

Also, you can hardly expect me to place much faith in an investigation conducted by John Asscroft's DOJ into this matter. I see a whitewash here.
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