GDawgs88 Wrote:Can you elaborate on these names, swoosh? I'm having a hard time remember several of these guys (Shaq, Payton, Pippen, Walker, Hardaway, and a few others) doing anything deserving of prison time.

damn, i just finished a ten hour shift at work, but i'll help you out.

Payton- DWI (don't try to tell me this is nothing, because people on this board have no problem skewering JJ for it.)

Walker- An unsolved rape with overwhelming evidence went on in his apartment. (obviously innocent till proven guilty, but he's a bad guy)

Pippen- assault and battery of a woman

Shaq- accused of assault

I can't remember the other guys, but i don't have the patience to search right now. But i can tell you that 40% of the players in the 2001-2002 season had a formal criminal complaint for a serious crime filed against them.

BTW, who are the other guys you needed info on? i might be able to help off the top of my head.

I think it was stupid of JJ. Nothing more, nothing less. We ALL have made mistakes through the years.

rickheel Wrote:I think it was stupid of JJ. Nothing more, nothing less. We ALL have made mistakes through the years.

Amen.

flyingswoosh Wrote:Jordan (did he commit adultery, or is that my imagination?)

Since when is adultry a punishable crime? But I guess since your expanding on the original statement, I wonder how Ms. Kim Bell is doing these days?

jrhessey Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:Jordan (did he commit adultery, or is that my imagination?)

Since when is adultry a punishable crime? But I guess since your expanding on the original statement, I wonder how Ms. Kim Bell is doing these days?

it's not in the real world. i only put it on there because it's a crime in my mind.

who's she?

i wanted to apologize for putting shaw on that list, it was stupid to add him. the diesel is not like those felons above.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:Just more proof for my theory that all NBA stars should be in prison.

That statement is flawed for multiple reasons, the first of which being the JJ Redick is not in the NBA yet, and is certainly not an NBA star, so why is this action proof that all NBA stars belong in jail? Otherwise, let's look at some of the stars in the NBA today, Dwayne Wade, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, LeBron James, Tim Duncan, Chanuncey Billups, and more that I find difficulty in finding reasons and evidence that they should be in prison, and I think it is unfair to generalize this entire population of people based on the actions of a few people.

Furthermore, I question why you are targeting NBA stars in the first place? I wouldn't consider Damon Stoudamire or Chris Anderson stars, yet they certainly have had run-ins with the law. Your theory also suggests that other occupations, athletically related or not, are somehow different and have less problems than the NBA. Just looking at the news recently, the MLB, NFL, and college basketball have all had their legal problems. I fail to see why NBA stars alone should be subject to what in my opinion is unfair criticism on the basis of a false generalization.

I will add this as well, I think that this unfair generalization applies to Duke as well. I think it is unfair to look down upon every Duke athlete because of the recent actions of the lacrosse team and now JJ Redick (This coming from a current UNC student.) You can criticize the way the Duke administration has responded to these problems, but don't unfairly judge every Duke athlete, because the majority of them are good kids.

Some of you people need to realize that internet message board is not real life. I have a theory that I think is funny and a drastic stretch of the real truth. Get over it.

GrayBeard Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:Just more proof for my theory that all NBA stars should be in prison.

That statement is flawed for multiple reasons, the first of which being the JJ Redick is not in the NBA yet, and is certainly not an NBA star, so why is this action proof that all NBA stars belong in jail? Otherwise, let's look at some of the stars in the NBA today, Dwayne Wade, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, LeBron James, Tim Duncan, Chanuncey Billups, and more that I find difficulty in finding reasons and evidence that they should be in prison, and I think it is unfair to generalize this entire population of people based on the actions of a few people.

Furthermore, I question why you are targeting NBA stars in the first place? I wouldn't consider Damon Stoudamire or Chris Anderson stars, yet they certainly have had run-ins with the law. Your theory also suggests that other occupations, athletically related or not, are somehow different and have less problems than the NBA. Just looking at the news recently, the MLB, NFL, and college basketball have all had their legal problems. I fail to see why NBA stars alone should be subject to what in my opinion is unfair criticism on the basis of a false generalization.

I will add this as well, I think that this unfair generalization applies to Duke as well. I think it is unfair to look down upon every Duke athlete because of the recent actions of the lacrosse team and now JJ Redick (This coming from a current UNC student.) You can criticize the way the Duke administration has responded to these problems, but don't unfairly judge every Duke athlete, because the majority of them are good kids.

Some of you people need to realize that internet message board is not real life. I have a theory that I think is funny and a drastic stretch of the real truth. Get over it.

for real. people should know you don't literally mean every NBA star should be locked up. the real point you're trying to get across is, the NBA has way too much criminal activity and it's a big problem.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

jrhessey Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:Jordan (did he commit adultery, or is that my imagination?)

Since when is adultry a punishable crime? But I guess since your expanding on the original statement, I wonder how Ms. Kim Bell is doing these days?

it's not in the real world. i only put it on there because it's a crime in my mind.

who's she?

i wanted to apologize for putting shaw on that list, it was stupid to add him. the diesel is not like those felons above.

Barry Bonds "supposed" girlfriend from 94 to 03. Bonds denies it, but he bought her a house in Scottsdale, Arizona.

jrhessey Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

jrhessey Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:Jordan (did he commit adultery, or is that my imagination?)

Since when is adultry a punishable crime? But I guess since your expanding on the original statement, I wonder how Ms. Kim Bell is doing these days?

it's not in the real world. i only put it on there because it's a crime in my mind.

who's she?

i wanted to apologize for putting shaw on that list, it was stupid to add him. the diesel is not like those felons above.

Barry Bonds "supposed" girlfriend from 94 to 03. Bonds denies it, but he bought her a house in Scottsdale, Arizona.

if it's true then bonds should be in prison like jordan, no two ways about it. correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't there a lot more proof in the jordan case than in the bonds case?

flyingswoosh Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:Just more proof for my theory that all NBA stars should be in prison.

That statement is flawed for multiple reasons, the first of which being the JJ Redick is not in the NBA yet, and is certainly not an NBA star, so why is this action proof that all NBA stars belong in jail? Otherwise, let's look at some of the stars in the NBA today, Dwayne Wade, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, LeBron James, Tim Duncan, Chanuncey Billups, and more that I find difficulty in finding reasons and evidence that they should be in prison, and I think it is unfair to generalize this entire population of people based on the actions of a few people.

Furthermore, I question why you are targeting NBA stars in the first place? I wouldn't consider Damon Stoudamire or Chris Anderson stars, yet they certainly have had run-ins with the law. Your theory also suggests that other occupations, athletically related or not, are somehow different and have less problems than the NBA. Just looking at the news recently, the MLB, NFL, and college basketball have all had their legal problems. I fail to see why NBA stars alone should be subject to what in my opinion is unfair criticism on the basis of a false generalization.

I will add this as well, I think that this unfair generalization applies to Duke as well. I think it is unfair to look down upon every Duke athlete because of the recent actions of the lacrosse team and now JJ Redick (This coming from a current UNC student.) You can criticize the way the Duke administration has responded to these problems, but don't unfairly judge every Duke athlete, because the majority of them are good kids.

Some of you people need to realize that internet message board is not real life. I have a theory that I think is funny and a drastic stretch of the real truth. Get over it.

for real. people should know you don't literally mean every NBA star should be locked up. the real point you're trying to get across is, the NBA has way too much criminal activity and it's a big problem.

And that's different from society in general how?

BTW, please list the criminal activity that every player and former player that you listed committed.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

jrhessey Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

jrhessey Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:Jordan (did he commit adultery, or is that my imagination?)

Since when is adultry a punishable crime? But I guess since your expanding on the original statement, I wonder how Ms. Kim Bell is doing these days?

it's not in the real world. i only put it on there because it's a crime in my mind.

who's she?

i wanted to apologize for putting shaw on that list, it was stupid to add him. the diesel is not like those felons above.

Barry Bonds "supposed" girlfriend from 94 to 03. Bonds denies it, but he bought her a house in Scottsdale, Arizona.

if it's true then bonds should be in prison like jordan, no two ways about it. correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't there a lot more proof in the jordan case than in the bonds case?

Why should Bonds and Jordan be in prison? Adultry?

Gimme an effing break.

Sophandros Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:Just more proof for my theory that all NBA stars should be in prison.

Some of you people need to realize that internet message board is not real life. I have a theory that I think is funny and a drastic stretch of the real truth. Get over it.

for real. people should know you don't literally mean every NBA star should be locked up. the real point you're trying to get across is, the NBA has way too much criminal activity and it's a big problem.

And that's different from society in general how?

BTW, please list the criminal activity that every player and former player that you listed committed.

we aren't talking about society, we're talking about crime in sports. stop trying to start unneccesary crap.

why don't you take some initiative and look them up yourself. i'm tired. lazy a** mutha.

Sophandros Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

jrhessey Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

jrhessey Wrote:[quote="flyingswoosh"]

Barry Bonds "supposed" girlfriend from 94 to 03. Bonds denies it, but he bought her a house in Scottsdale, Arizona.

if it's true then bonds should be in prison like jordan, no two ways about it. correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't there a lot more proof in the jordan case than in the bonds case?

Why should Bonds and Jordan be in prison? Adultry?

Gimme an effing break.

that's a seperate argument. in my mind adultery is one of the worst things a person can do. it's low and slimy. in fact my neighbor's husband just cheated on her. she's indian so i would imagine she wants a seven eleven in the settlement. ;-)

flyingswoosh Wrote:

jrhessey Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

jrhessey Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:Jordan (did he commit adultery, or is that my imagination?)

Since when is adultry a punishable crime? But I guess since your expanding on the original statement, I wonder how Ms. Kim Bell is doing these days?

it's not in the real world. i only put it on there because it's a crime in my mind.

who's she?

i wanted to apologize for putting shaw on that list, it was stupid to add him. the diesel is not like those felons above.

Barry Bonds "supposed" girlfriend from 94 to 03. Bonds denies it, but he bought her a house in Scottsdale, Arizona.

if it's true then bonds should be in prison like jordan, no two ways about it. correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't there a lot more proof in the jordan case than in the bonds case?

Yes, I think you're right on that...

flyingswoosh Wrote:

Sophandros Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:Just more proof for my theory that all NBA stars should be in prison.

Some of you people need to realize that internet message board is not real life. I have a theory that I think is funny and a drastic stretch of the real truth. Get over it.

for real. people should know you don't literally mean every NBA star should be locked up. the real point you're trying to get across is, the NBA has way too much criminal activity and it's a big problem.

And that's different from society in general how?

BTW, please list the criminal activity that every player and former player that you listed committed.

we aren't talking about society, we're talking about crime in sports. stop trying to start unneccesary crap.

why don't you take some initiative and look them up yourself. i'm tired. lazy a** mutha.

You're pointing out crime in sports as if athletes are somehow more prone to committing crime than "regular people" are. I contend that they are just as prone as "regular people" to commit crime, but when one of them gets a DUI it's all over the TV when if my neighbor gets a DUI it's all over his household.

The burden of proof regarding whether these guys are criminals is not on me, so I don't have to look it up.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

Sophandros Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

jrhessey Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

jrhessey Wrote:[quote="flyingswoosh"]

Barry Bonds "supposed" girlfriend from 94 to 03. Bonds denies it, but he bought her a house in Scottsdale, Arizona.

if it's true then bonds should be in prison like jordan, no two ways about it. correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't there a lot more proof in the jordan case than in the bonds case?

Why should Bonds and Jordan be in prison? Adultry?

Gimme an effing break.

that's a seperate argument. in my mind adultery is one of the worst things a person can do. it's low and slimy. in fact my neighbor's husband just cheated on her. she's indian so i would imagine she wants a seven eleven in the settlement. ;-)

Or at least a Circle K.

FWIW, I agree completely that adultery is effing low.

Sophandros Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

Sophandros Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:[quote="GrayBeard"]

for real. people should know you don't literally mean every NBA star should be locked up. the real point you're trying to get across is, the NBA has way too much criminal activity and it's a big problem.

And that's different from society in general how?

BTW, please list the criminal activity that every player and former player that you listed committed.

we aren't talking about society, we're talking about crime in sports. stop trying to start unneccesary crap.

why don't you take some initiative and look them up yourself. i'm tired. lazy a** mutha.

You're pointing out crime in sports as if athletes are somehow more prone to committing crime than "regular people" are. I contend that they are just as prone as "regular people" to commit crime, but when one of them gets a DUI it's all over the TV when if my neighbor gets a DUI it's all over his household.

The burden of proof regarding whether these guys are criminals is not on me, so I don't have to look it up.

you're right, they are just as likely as a normal citizen. but, just like CEO's, they make a ton of money and should be held to a higher standard. i imagine that you're gonna respond with "they shouldn't be put on a pedestal." well, maybe you're right, but we live in the real world and in said world these guys are seen by millions of kids everyday, and because of that, should be a little more responsible. i think the other thing that gets on people's nerves is, if your neighbor did get a DWI he;d be punished, plain and simple. Unfortunately, when these athletes commit crimes they often get a slap on the wrist and are allowed to go on their way and possibly commit the crime again.

maybe i'll write those crimes later, but i woke up at 9:30, which is way too early for me.

flyingswoosh Wrote:damn, i just finished a ten hour shift at work, but i'll help you out.

Payton- DWI (don't try to tell me this is nothing, because people on this board have no problem skewering JJ for it.)

Walker- An unsolved rape with overwhelming evidence went on in his apartment. (obviously innocent till proven guilty, but he's a bad guy)

Pippen- assault and battery of a woman

Shaq- accused of assault

I can't remember the other guys, but i don't have the patience to search right now. But i can tell you that 40% of the players in the 2001-2002 season had a formal criminal complaint for a serious crime filed against them.

BTW, who are the other guys you needed info on? i might be able to help off the top of my head.

Thanks for the info.

But I'm curious, do you believe the Duke lacrosse players should go to jail just because they're accused of rape?

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:damn, i just finished a ten hour shift at work, but i'll help you out.

Payton- DWI (don't try to tell me this is nothing, because people on this board have no problem skewering JJ for it.)

Walker- An unsolved rape with overwhelming evidence went on in his apartment. (obviously innocent till proven guilty, but he's a bad guy)

Pippen- assault and battery of a woman

Shaq- accused of assault

I can't remember the other guys, but i don't have the patience to search right now. But i can tell you that 40% of the players in the 2001-2002 season had a formal criminal complaint for a serious crime filed against them.

BTW, who are the other guys you needed info on? i might be able to help off the top of my head.

Thanks for the info.

But I'm curious, do you believe the Duke lacrosse players should go to jail just because they're accused of rape?

no, and i said i was wrong to add shaq to the list. but the duke players do have a long listyou have to understand that these guys are usually not 1st time offenders. also, a lot of these accusations have overwhelming evidence but never go to court because the women are always intimidated. i could post the evidence but it'd take me way too long.

for instance look what happened in kobe's case. the woman's whole sexual history was brought into court. it's hard to go along with the case when your whole life is put into question.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:damn, i just finished a ten hour shift at work, but i'll help you out.

Payton- DWI (don't try to tell me this is nothing, because people on this board have no problem skewering JJ for it.)

Walker- An unsolved rape with overwhelming evidence went on in his apartment. (obviously innocent till proven guilty, but he's a bad guy)

Pippen- assault and battery of a woman

Shaq- accused of assault

I can't remember the other guys, but i don't have the patience to search right now. But i can tell you that 40% of the players in the 2001-2002 season had a formal criminal complaint for a serious crime filed against them.

BTW, who are the other guys you needed info on? i might be able to help off the top of my head.

Thanks for the info.

But I'm curious, do you believe the Duke lacrosse players should go to jail just because they're accused of rape?

no, and i said i was wrong to add shaq to the list. but the duke players do have a long listyou have to understand that these guys are usually not 1st time offenders. also, a lot of these accusations have overwhelming evidence but never go to court because the women are always intimidated. i could post the evidence but it'd take me way too long.

for instance look what happened in kobe's case. the woman's whole sexual history was brought into court. it's hard to go along with the case when your whole life is put into question.

I agree with you there. But that's the modus operandi in rape cases, which is why so few women step up and press charges when it happens. I mean, we have a culture that blames the victim when something happens (her dress was too short, she's a stripper, she had multiple partners in her past, etc) and then wonders why certain heinous acts go unpunished.

BTW, on your other post, I don't think that athletes should be held on a pedestal and I do believe that they should be prosecuted and punished the same that you or I are. Now, I know that this is not the case in the real world, but we as a society have to demand it for it to begin to happen.