OK but you still have 3 independents. And La Tech has to travel half way around the world every week. And the Sun Belt only has 8 teams. And though nobody raided the Big East you are giving them ECU. And C*USA ends up with 11 teams having lost 2 and gained back 1.

Tallgrass Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:If we are going to add another team from the Dallas-Ft. Worth area,
CUSA should take a hard long look at UNT.

I need to amend my post. I very much like and very much want the Miners. They have been great. What I mean to say, and it didn't come out that way, is that if CUSA wants 14 teams rather than 12, then UNT should be strongly considered.

Disagree. It's no secret that SMU & UNT don't exactly get along...but I'm going to put aside my negative feelings toward the Mean Green and focus on the facts for this post:

1) UNT facilities are subpar - Have you ever been to Fouts Field? Most high schools have better stadiums. The UNT Coliseum isn't great either...but we will allow that considering Moody Coliseum (SMU) isn't much better.

2) Men's Basketball could compete in CUSA...Football would be towards the bottom of the conference (as of right now...Dodge may build that program, though) and Women's Basketball would be a celler-dweller. Their non-revenue sports aren't exactly world-beaters, either.

3) They may have a large alumni base...but, their attendance does not reflect this. They wouldn't add a UTEP or USM type atmosphere to the league. Rather, it would be like (as much as it pains me to say, and I hope this changes in the next few years) adding another SMU-type atmosphere, and that's not what this conference needs.

4) Bolded because this is most important - CUSA already has the DFW media market. Adding UNT would not add anything that CUSA doesn't already have.

Bottom line: Unless SMU leaves (and I don't see that happening anytime soon unless we had a chance at rejoining our former rivals Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Arkansas, et. al.), UNT should not be considered for CUSA expansion. As much as I don't like TCU, they would add more to the conference than UNT would.

SMUstang Wrote:OK but you still have 3 independents. And La Tech has to travel half way around the world every week. And the Sun Belt only has 8 teams. And though nobody raided the Big East you are giving them ECU. And C*USA ends up with 11 teams having lost 2 and gained back 1.

Rugters goes from the Big East to the ACC
ECU to the Big East from C-USA
TCU joins C-USA
UTEP to Mtn. West
La Tech to C-USA

C-USA East is now

UCF
UAB
USM
Marshall
Tulane
Memphis

C-USA West is

TCU
La. Tech
SMU
Rice
Houston
Tulsa

OK but my scenario left the SEC, Big XII, Pac 10, ACC, and MAC standing pat. All the other conferences just had one team change. (Two in the case of Army and Navy). You are proposing some major changes and leaving C*USA weaker in the process. And the Sun Belt Conference still only has 8 teams.

SMUstang Wrote:And the Sun Belt Conference still only has 8 teams.

WKU is transitioning to FBS. I believe they play a mixed schedule this year and should play a full schedule next year. That would put the SunBelt at 9 teams.

Had BE left South Florida in CUSA and taken Navy and Army. The Big East, MAC and CUSA would have been stronger conferences.

BE- 9 teams
UConn
Rutgers
Pitt
West Virginia
Syracuse
Cincinnati
Louisville
Army
Navy

CUSA- 14 teams
East Division
ECU
South Florida
Central Florida
UAB
Southern Miss
Memphis
Tulane

West Division
North Texas
Houston
Rice
SMU
TCU
Tulsa
UTEP

MAC 14 teams
East Division
Temple
Buffalo
Kent State
Akron
Ohio
Miami
Marshall

West Division
Toledo
Bowling Green
Eastern Michigan
Central Michigan
Western Michigan
Ball State
Northern Illinois

But USF will never come back to C*USA and UNT makes C*USA weaker not stronger. Besides 14 teams is too many.

SMUstang Wrote:Sorry I brought it up. You obviously are missing the point.

My only comment (which was :ncaabbs:) was meant to keep UTEP and even referenced a post that said "I'm not trying to single out SMUstang or good posters and fans like him". It was just one point out of many you referenced. No offense meant.

oldtiger Wrote:

SMUstang Wrote:Sorry I brought it up. You obviously are missing the point.

My only comment (which was :ncaabbs:) was meant to keep UTEP and even referenced a post that said "I'm not trying to single out SMUstang or good posters and fans like him". It was just one point out of many you referenced. No offense meant.

My comment was not directed at you. It was directed at all of the posters focusing on just one conference. No offense intended to anyone.

CalallenStang Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:If we are going to add another team from the Dallas-Ft. Worth area,
CUSA should take a hard long look at UNT.

I need to amend my post. I very much like and very much want the Miners. They have been great. What I mean to say, and it didn't come out that way, is that if CUSA wants 14 teams rather than 12, then UNT should be strongly considered.

Disagree. It's no secret that SMU & UNT don't exactly get along...but I'm going to put aside my negative feelings toward the Mean Green and focus on the facts for this post:

1) UNT facilities are subpar - Have you ever been to Fouts Field? Most high schools have better stadiums. The UNT Coliseum isn't great either...but we will allow that considering Moody Coliseum (SMU) isn't much better.

2) Men's Basketball could compete in CUSA...Football would be towards the bottom of the conference (as of right now...Dodge may build that program, though) and Women's Basketball would be a celler-dweller. Their non-revenue sports aren't exactly world-beaters, either.

3) They may have a large alumni base...but, their attendance does not reflect this. They wouldn't add a UTEP or USM type atmosphere to the league. Rather, it would be like (as much as it pains me to say, and I hope this changes in the next few years) adding another SMU-type atmosphere, and that's not what this conference needs.

4) Bolded because this is most important - CUSA already has the DFW media market. Adding UNT would not add anything that CUSA doesn't already have.

Bottom line: Unless SMU leaves (and I don't see that happening anytime soon unless we had a chance at rejoining our former rivals Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Arkansas, et. al.), UNT should not be considered for CUSA expansion. As much as I don't like TCU, they would add more to the conference than UNT would.

I'm posting in this only because there's a wealth of mis-information in smustang's post.

Facilities ? Take out Fouts and SMU really can't compare to UNT's facilities.

Facts:

MEAN GREEN ATHLETIC VILLAGE
http://www.meangreensports.com/ViewArtic...CLID=67236

NT has a new top-notch 45,000 sq. ft. athletic center with two practice fields. The center is attached to a new resort style dorm that houses incoming freshmen athletes by a dining hall. Athletes can go from the dorm to the AC without even going outside.

NT has a new tennis center.
NT has a new softball complex
NT has new seats, scoreboards and flooring in the Super Pit.
NT has renovated Fouts with new turf, scoreboard, paint, signage, expanded deck and TV monitors in the concourses.
NT has renovated the former Liberty Christian football stadium in to our soccer stadium.
NT has renovated the former Liberty Christian gym into our volleyball facility.
NT has renovated the former Liberty Christian campus to include offices, locker rooms, study halls and indoor practice facilities for women's sports and golf.

DFW media market ? Dallas is Big XII country and SMU is far from being the darling of the metroplex media market. NT has gotten as much and actually more metroplex media since hiring our new football coach.

Football ? NT has been down the past 2 years, but still beat smu's 6-6 team in '06 and has won 2 of the past 3 from the ponies. Heck our attendance wasn't that great, but NT still outdrew smu.

Women's basketball ? Sun Belt is a Top 10 conference (#8) and NT did win the west division a couple of years ago going to the WNIT. After a down year should be much better again this season. Soccer is annually regionally ranked with two NCAA trips in the past three years.

Say you don't like NT, fine. Say you don't want NT in CUSA, find. But if you're gonna diss NT, try using actual facts.

MeanGreen61 Wrote:

CalallenStang Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:If we are going to add another team from the Dallas-Ft. Worth area,
CUSA should take a hard long look at UNT.

I need to amend my post. I very much like and very much want the Miners. They have been great. What I mean to say, and it didn't come out that way, is that if CUSA wants 14 teams rather than 12, then UNT should be strongly considered.

Disagree. It's no secret that SMU & UNT don't exactly get along...but I'm going to put aside my negative feelings toward the Mean Green and focus on the facts for this post:

1) UNT facilities are subpar - Have you ever been to Fouts Field? Most high schools have better stadiums. The UNT Coliseum isn't great either...but we will allow that considering Moody Coliseum (SMU) isn't much better.

2) Men's Basketball could compete in CUSA...Football would be towards the bottom of the conference (as of right now...Dodge may build that program, though) and Women's Basketball would be a celler-dweller. Their non-revenue sports aren't exactly world-beaters, either.

3) They may have a large alumni base...but, their attendance does not reflect this. They wouldn't add a UTEP or USM type atmosphere to the league. Rather, it would be like (as much as it pains me to say, and I hope this changes in the next few years) adding another SMU-type atmosphere, and that's not what this conference needs.

4) Bolded because this is most important - CUSA already has the DFW media market. Adding UNT would not add anything that CUSA doesn't already have.

Bottom line: Unless SMU leaves (and I don't see that happening anytime soon unless we had a chance at rejoining our former rivals Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Arkansas, et. al.), UNT should not be considered for CUSA expansion. As much as I don't like TCU, they would add more to the conference than UNT would.

I'm posting in this only because there's a wealth of mis-information in smustang's post.

Facilities ? Take out Fouts and SMU really can't compare to UNT's facilities.

Facts:

MEAN GREEN ATHLETIC VILLAGE
http://www.meangreensports.com/ViewArtic...CLID=67236

NT has a new top-notch 45,000 sq. ft. athletic center with two practice fields. The center is attached to a new resort style dorm that houses incoming freshmen athletes by a dining hall. Athletes can go from the dorm to the AC without even going outside.

NT has a new tennis center.
NT has a new softball complex
NT has new seats, scoreboards and flooring in the Super Pit.
NT has renovated Fouts with new turf, scoreboard, paint, signage, expanded deck and TV monitors in the concourses.
NT has renovated the former Liberty Christian football stadium in to our soccer stadium.
NT has renovated the former Liberty Christian gym into our volleyball facility.
NT has renovated the former Liberty Christian campus to include offices, locker rooms, study halls and indoor practice facilities for women's sports and golf.

DFW media market ? Dallas is Big XII country and SMU is far from being the darling of the metroplex media market. NT has gotten as much and actually more metroplex media since hiring our new football coach.

Football ? NT has been down the past 2 years, but still beat smu's 6-6 team in '06 and has won 2 of the past 3 from the ponies. Heck our attendance wasn't that great, but NT still outdrew smu.

Women's basketball ? Sun Belt is a Top 10 conference (#8) and NT did win the west division a couple of years ago going to the WNIT. After a down year should be much better again this season. Soccer is annually regionally ranked with two NCAA trips in the past three years.

Say you don't like NT, fine. Say you don't want NT in CUSA, find. But if you're gonna diss NT, try using actual facts.

Fair enough, MeanGreen61 (and by the way it was me and not SMUstang...blame me )

Read my post: I state that NT isn't a good fit for CUSA at the current time...the facilities are subpar (build that new football stadium and at least try and renovate the Coliseum and we can upgrade this). You can't argue that Fouts is a disgrace. The new Tennis Center and Athletic Center are nice, I will grant you that (and personally, I haven't seen many softball complexes, so I can't say whether yours is nice or not); but when your main two facilities on campus are horrible (Fouts) and below average (Super Pit), you can't make an argument that your facilities are wonderful.

Show me how adding UNT to CUSA increases CUSA's hold on the Dallas media market. Oh, right, it doesn't, because SMU is already covered by the DMN and all the TV stations not to mention having football broadcasts on The Ticket. And, SMU was well-covered by the Dallas media last season as we had our first decent football season in awhile. They also covered our basketball season well and Matt Doherty was on TV a great amount. Sure, the DFW media has covered NT football more than SMU football this offseason...that's because you guys have a new coach. Same reason why SMU basketball was covered more than NT basketball last year.

The only way that UNT might add to CUSA's media market is if UNT and SMU faced off in a game of importance at the end of a season.

Football - Yes, you guys have taken 2 of the last 3 from us. Last year, your team came out and played much harder than we did (and Dickey coached to win, versus Bennett who coached not to lose), and that's why you guys won. I doubt the same result occurs this year.

NT did outdraw SMU last year...but not by much. I would hope that you guys would outdraw us every year, since when you compare the size of the two institutions, UNT is much larger.

Women's Basketball would need to drastically improve to compete in CUSA. Soccer could probably compete well; what about your other non-revenues?

What I will say is this:
When, and only when, UNT makes a true commitment to athletics, which would be shown by an improvement to the facilities of the revenue sports, should UNT be considered for CUSA membership.

As I've said before, I don't really like UNT...and the reason why is because everyone I've ever met from UNT has some strange obsession about SMU. I know that a lot of SMU fans look down on UNT, and that could be why many NT fams have what seems like hatred for SMU. I, personally, respect UNT as an institution, and would appreciate it if NT fans could at least show some respect for SMU as well. You seem to be sensible - show me that I have the wrong image of UNT.

CalallenStang Wrote:

MeanGreen61 Wrote:

CalallenStang Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:If we are going to add another team from the Dallas-Ft. Worth area,
CUSA should take a hard long look at UNT.

I need to amend my post. I very much like and very much want the Miners. They have been great. What I mean to say, and it didn't come out that way, is that if CUSA wants 14 teams rather than 12, then UNT should be strongly considered.

Disagree. It's no secret that SMU & UNT don't exactly get along...but I'm going to put aside my negative feelings toward the Mean Green and focus on the facts for this post:

1) UNT facilities are subpar - Have you ever been to Fouts Field? Most high schools have better stadiums. The UNT Coliseum isn't great either...but we will allow that considering Moody Coliseum (SMU) isn't much better.

2) Men's Basketball could compete in CUSA...Football would be towards the bottom of the conference (as of right now...Dodge may build that program, though) and Women's Basketball would be a celler-dweller. Their non-revenue sports aren't exactly world-beaters, either.

3) They may have a large alumni base...but, their attendance does not reflect this. They wouldn't add a UTEP or USM type atmosphere to the league. Rather, it would be like (as much as it pains me to say, and I hope this changes in the next few years) adding another SMU-type atmosphere, and that's not what this conference needs.

4) Bolded because this is most important - CUSA already has the DFW media market. Adding UNT would not add anything that CUSA doesn't already have.

Bottom line: Unless SMU leaves (and I don't see that happening anytime soon unless we had a chance at rejoining our former rivals Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Arkansas, et. al.), UNT should not be considered for CUSA expansion. As much as I don't like TCU, they would add more to the conference than UNT would.

I'm posting in this only because there's a wealth of mis-information in smustang's post.

Facilities ? Take out Fouts and SMU really can't compare to UNT's facilities.

Facts:

MEAN GREEN ATHLETIC VILLAGE
http://www.meangreensports.com/ViewArtic...CLID=67236

NT has a new top-notch 45,000 sq. ft. athletic center with two practice fields. The center is attached to a new resort style dorm that houses incoming freshmen athletes by a dining hall. Athletes can go from the dorm to the AC without even going outside.

NT has a new tennis center.
NT has a new softball complex
NT has new seats, scoreboards and flooring in the Super Pit.
NT has renovated Fouts with new turf, scoreboard, paint, signage, expanded deck and TV monitors in the concourses.
NT has renovated the former Liberty Christian football stadium in to our soccer stadium.
NT has renovated the former Liberty Christian gym into our volleyball facility.
NT has renovated the former Liberty Christian campus to include offices, locker rooms, study halls and indoor practice facilities for women's sports and golf.

DFW media market ? Dallas is Big XII country and SMU is far from being the darling of the metroplex media market. NT has gotten as much and actually more metroplex media since hiring our new football coach.

Football ? NT has been down the past 2 years, but still beat smu's 6-6 team in '06 and has won 2 of the past 3 from the ponies. Heck our attendance wasn't that great, but NT still outdrew smu.

Women's basketball ? Sun Belt is a Top 10 conference (#8) and NT did win the west division a couple of years ago going to the WNIT. After a down year should be much better again this season. Soccer is annually regionally ranked with two NCAA trips in the past three years.

Say you don't like NT, fine. Say you don't want NT in CUSA, find. But if you're gonna diss NT, try using actual facts.

Fair enough, MeanGreen61 (and by the way it was me and not SMUstang...blame me )

Read my post: I state that NT isn't a good fit for CUSA at the current time...the facilities are subpar (build that new football stadium and at least try and renovate the Coliseum and we can upgrade this). You can't argue that Fouts is a disgrace. The new Tennis Center and Athletic Center are nice, I will grant you that (and personally, I haven't seen many softball complexes, so I can't say whether yours is nice or not); but when your main two facilities on campus are horrible (Fouts) and below average (Super Pit), you can't make an argument that your facilities are wonderful.

Show me how adding UNT to CUSA increases CUSA's hold on the Dallas media market. Oh, right, it doesn't, because SMU is already covered by the DMN and all the TV stations not to mention having football broadcasts on The Ticket. And, SMU was well-covered by the Dallas media last season as we had our first decent football season in awhile. They also covered our basketball season well and Matt Doherty was on TV a great amount. Sure, the DFW media has covered NT football more than SMU football this offseason...that's because you guys have a new coach. Same reason why SMU basketball was covered more than NT basketball last year.

The only way that UNT might add to CUSA's media market is if UNT and SMU faced off in a game of importance at the end of a season.

Football - Yes, you guys have taken 2 of the last 3 from us. Last year, your team came out and played much harder than we did (and Dickey coached to win, versus Bennett who coached not to lose), and that's why you guys won. I doubt the same result occurs this year.

NT did outdraw SMU last year...but not by much. I would hope that you guys would outdraw us every year, since when you compare the size of the two institutions, UNT is much larger.

Women's Basketball would need to drastically improve to compete in CUSA. Soccer could probably compete well; what about your other non-revenues?

What I will say is this:
When, and only when, UNT makes a true commitment to athletics, which would be shown by an improvement to the facilities of the revenue sports, should UNT be considered for CUSA membership.

As I've said before, I don't really like UNT...and the reason why is because everyone I've ever met from UNT has some strange obsession about SMU. I know that a lot of SMU fans look down on UNT, and that could be why many NT fams have what seems like hatred for SMU. I, personally, respect UNT as an institution, and would appreciate it if NT fans could at least show some respect for SMU as well. You seem to be sensible - show me that I have the wrong image of UNT.

Frankly I could care less about your personal "image" of NT. If you can't see that NT has a committment to athletics with all of the new facilities that have been recently built, that's your problem. I won't even ask about smu's recent accomplishments in football and basketball. As I stated, take out Fouts and smu can't compare with NT's facilities. You say the Super Pit is a disgrace ?

SUPER PIT
http://www.meangreensports.com/ViewArtic...CLID=66999

MeanGreen61 Wrote:

CalallenStang Wrote:

MeanGreen61 Wrote:

CalallenStang Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:If we are going to add another team from the Dallas-Ft. Worth area,
CUSA should take a hard long look at UNT.

I need to amend my post. I very much like and very much want the Miners. They have been great. What I mean to say, and it didn't come out that way, is that if CUSA wants 14 teams rather than 12, then UNT should be strongly considered.

Disagree. It's no secret that SMU & UNT don't exactly get along...but I'm going to put aside my negative feelings toward the Mean Green and focus on the facts for this post:

1) UNT facilities are subpar - Have you ever been to Fouts Field? Most high schools have better stadiums. The UNT Coliseum isn't great either...but we will allow that considering Moody Coliseum (SMU) isn't much better.

2) Men's Basketball could compete in CUSA...Football would be towards the bottom of the conference (as of right now...Dodge may build that program, though) and Women's Basketball would be a celler-dweller. Their non-revenue sports aren't exactly world-beaters, either.

3) They may have a large alumni base...but, their attendance does not reflect this. They wouldn't add a UTEP or USM type atmosphere to the league. Rather, it would be like (as much as it pains me to say, and I hope this changes in the next few years) adding another SMU-type atmosphere, and that's not what this conference needs.

4) Bolded because this is most important - CUSA already has the DFW media market. Adding UNT would not add anything that CUSA doesn't already have.

Bottom line: Unless SMU leaves (and I don't see that happening anytime soon unless we had a chance at rejoining our former rivals Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Arkansas, et. al.), UNT should not be considered for CUSA expansion. As much as I don't like TCU, they would add more to the conference than UNT would.

I'm posting in this only because there's a wealth of mis-information in smustang's post.

Facilities ? Take out Fouts and SMU really can't compare to UNT's facilities.

Facts:

MEAN GREEN ATHLETIC VILLAGE
http://www.meangreensports.com/ViewArtic...CLID=67236

NT has a new top-notch 45,000 sq. ft. athletic center with two practice fields. The center is attached to a new resort style dorm that houses incoming freshmen athletes by a dining hall. Athletes can go from the dorm to the AC without even going outside.

NT has a new tennis center.
NT has a new softball complex
NT has new seats, scoreboards and flooring in the Super Pit.
NT has renovated Fouts with new turf, scoreboard, paint, signage, expanded deck and TV monitors in the concourses.
NT has renovated the former Liberty Christian football stadium in to our soccer stadium.
NT has renovated the former Liberty Christian gym into our volleyball facility.
NT has renovated the former Liberty Christian campus to include offices, locker rooms, study halls and indoor practice facilities for women's sports and golf.

DFW media market ? Dallas is Big XII country and SMU is far from being the darling of the metroplex media market. NT has gotten as much and actually more metroplex media since hiring our new football coach.

Football ? NT has been down the past 2 years, but still beat smu's 6-6 team in '06 and has won 2 of the past 3 from the ponies. Heck our attendance wasn't that great, but NT still outdrew smu.

Women's basketball ? Sun Belt is a Top 10 conference (#8) and NT did win the west division a couple of years ago going to the WNIT. After a down year should be much better again this season. Soccer is annually regionally ranked with two NCAA trips in the past three years.

Say you don't like NT, fine. Say you don't want NT in CUSA, find. But if you're gonna diss NT, try using actual facts.

Fair enough, MeanGreen61 (and by the way it was me and not SMUstang...blame me )

Read my post: I state that NT isn't a good fit for CUSA at the current time...the facilities are subpar (build that new football stadium and at least try and renovate the Coliseum and we can upgrade this). You can't argue that Fouts is a disgrace. The new Tennis Center and Athletic Center are nice, I will grant you that (and personally, I haven't seen many softball complexes, so I can't say whether yours is nice or not); but when your main two facilities on campus are horrible (Fouts) and below average (Super Pit), you can't make an argument that your facilities are wonderful.

Show me how adding UNT to CUSA increases CUSA's hold on the Dallas media market. Oh, right, it doesn't, because SMU is already covered by the DMN and all the TV stations not to mention having football broadcasts on The Ticket. And, SMU was well-covered by the Dallas media last season as we had our first decent football season in awhile. They also covered our basketball season well and Matt Doherty was on TV a great amount. Sure, the DFW media has covered NT football more than SMU football this offseason...that's because you guys have a new coach. Same reason why SMU basketball was covered more than NT basketball last year.

The only way that UNT might add to CUSA's media market is if UNT and SMU faced off in a game of importance at the end of a season.

Football - Yes, you guys have taken 2 of the last 3 from us. Last year, your team came out and played much harder than we did (and Dickey coached to win, versus Bennett who coached not to lose), and that's why you guys won. I doubt the same result occurs this year.

NT did outdraw SMU last year...but not by much. I would hope that you guys would outdraw us every year, since when you compare the size of the two institutions, UNT is much larger.

Women's Basketball would need to drastically improve to compete in CUSA. Soccer could probably compete well; what about your other non-revenues?

What I will say is this:
When, and only when, UNT makes a true commitment to athletics, which would be shown by an improvement to the facilities of the revenue sports, should UNT be considered for CUSA membership.

As I've said before, I don't really like UNT...and the reason why is because everyone I've ever met from UNT has some strange obsession about SMU. I know that a lot of SMU fans look down on UNT, and that could be why many NT fams have what seems like hatred for SMU. I, personally, respect UNT as an institution, and would appreciate it if NT fans could at least show some respect for SMU as well. You seem to be sensible - show me that I have the wrong image of UNT.

Frankly I could care less about your personal "image" of NT. If you can't see that NT has a committment to athletics with all of the new facilities that have been recently built, that's your problem. I won't even ask about smu's recent accomplishments in football and basketball. As I stated, take out Fouts and smu can't compare with NT's facilities. You say the Super Pit is a disgrace ?

SUPER PIT
http://www.meangreensports.com/ViewArtic...CLID=66999

Um...I said Fouts was a disgrace. I said Super Pit was below average. Are there worse arenas out there than the Super Pit? Yes, no question. But the fact is that the Super Pit's circular configuration takes fans away from the action. It is in that very design that the flaw lies.

As for SMU not comparing to NT's facilities, I will contest that claim.
http://smumustangs.cstv.com/facilities/s...ities.html

Football: Ford Stadium is clearly better than Fouts. Advantage: SMU
Basketball: Moody Coliseum's configuration is better than the Super Pit's. Admittedly, I do like the Super Pit's seating. SMU also has a dedicated basketball practice facility in the Crum Center. But to be nice...Advantage: None
Volleyball: SMU has no dedicated volleyball facility. Advantage: UNT
Tennis: SMU's new facility is currently under construction. Advantage: None
Soccer: NT's got a decent facility. SMU's Westcott is similar but is being renovated into what will be one of the best soccer facilities in the country. Advantage: SMU
Athletic Centers: The only thing SMU's Loyd Center doesn't have that UNT's does is a dorm attached. That's because SMU's athletes live throughout campus in an effort to integrate them with the campus community. Advantage: None.

Not to mention that SMU has recently announced a new golf facility to be built at the Dallas Athletic Club.

So, oh master of the Green, I'll ask you to do as you asked me: back up your personal "diss" of SMU with some facts. I did it.

Oh, and remember that your "diss" has to do with facilities and facilities only. Don't give me this "we beat you last year in football so that proves we are better" stuff. Remember that I could retort the same thing for Women's Basketball.

I think my thread just got hijacked.

No More Texas teams.....................Period.

LOL!!! Army and Navy to a BCS Conference?

Ah...are you aware of the competition/standards it takes to earn an appointment for the Naval Academy and West Point?

You want those kids to play at least 7-8 BCS Football Games per year?

More proof that smoking crack is never a good thing.

HellBlazer Wrote:No More Texas teams.....................Period.

Not proposing any more Texas teams. Just exchanging one Texas team for another one.

KnightLight Wrote:LOL!!! Army and Navy to a BCS Conference?

Ah...are you aware of the competition/standards it takes to earn an appointment for the Naval Academy and West Point?

You want those kids to play at least 7-8 BCS Football Games per year?

More proof that smoking crack is never a good thing.

Fine, let them stay independent. They probably will anyway, but I read that the BE is trying to work a deal with them that will give them access to a BCS bowl.

CalallenStang Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:If we are going to add another team from the Dallas-Ft. Worth area,
CUSA should take a hard long look at UNT.

I need to amend my post. I very much like and very much want the Miners. They have been great. What I mean to say, and it didn't come out that way, is that if CUSA wants 14 teams rather than 12, then UNT should be strongly considered.

Disagree. It's no secret that SMU & UNT don't exactly get along...but I'm going to put aside my negative feelings toward the Mean Green and focus on the facts for this post:

1) UNT facilities are subpar - Have you ever been to Fouts Field? Most high schools have better stadiums. The UNT Coliseum isn't great either...but we will allow that considering Moody Coliseum (SMU) isn't much better.

2) Men's Basketball could compete in CUSA...Football would be towards the bottom of the conference (as of right now...Dodge may build that program, though) and Women's Basketball would be a celler-dweller. Their non-revenue sports aren't exactly world-beaters, either.

3) They may have a large alumni base...but, their attendance does not reflect this. They wouldn't add a UTEP or USM type atmosphere to the league. Rather, it would be like (as much as it pains me to say, and I hope this changes in the next few years) adding another SMU-type atmosphere, and that's not what this conference needs.

4) Bolded because this is most important - CUSA already has the DFW media market. Adding UNT would not add anything that CUSA doesn't already have.

Bottom line: Unless SMU leaves (and I don't see that happening anytime soon unless we had a chance at rejoining our former rivals Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Arkansas, et. al.), UNT should not be considered for CUSA expansion. As much as I don't like TCU, they would add more to the conference than UNT would.

Regarding Points 1, 2, and 3, that could have been directed at most CUSA/West schools and TCU not all that long ago.

Regarding Point 4, the initial post was to add TCU, a second Dallas-Ft Worth area schoool. If you are going to add another school (expand and not lose UTEP who we want very, very much), UNT is starting to look very, very good. UNT is improving and improving rapidily as the most recent USA Today article outlined. If I recall correctly, in a down season, UNT beat SMU and Troy walloped Rice in the New Orleans Bowl. ALso, SJSU beat supposed a premier New Mexcio team in the Albuquerque. Things change and UNT is changing rapidly.

SMUstang Wrote:Sorry I brought it up. You obviously are missing the point.

If it's ok with you, I'd rather stay in CUSA. Been there, done that with MWC. No thanks, dont want to go back. Sorry if that upsets you.