People Champion Wrote:The ACC is not planning to to expand again. They just barely got enough votes for expansion last time. The only thing I see happening is BC and WVU changing conferences. If BC decides to return to the BE to have more geographical rivals in the northeastern and WVU leaving the BE to be in a southern conference like VT did.

WVU may not have the academic records to get in...SU would be more likely. But BC certainly doesn't appear to be leaving right now.

Unless BC decides to returns back to the BE, I think WVU will be team for the ACC. The ACC is trying to compete and model themselves after the SEC, therefore WVU is in the ACC geography area, have a nice program and history with some ACC teams. They may require WVU to raise their academics requirements.

Boston College and West Virginia should switch conferences because of gas prices.
Same thing for Marshall and South Florida.

The Big East is the lowest level BCS conference. Any of their teams would give a left nut to join the ACC, Big 10 or SEC. Not only is the money better but there is a lot more clout to these conferences.

The Big East fans love to shout how great they are and say we went 5-0 last year in bowl games. What they fail to mention is that they were the higher ranked team in every one of their games. It is not a case of superior football, it is a case of crappy bowl deals that pit them against inferior, lower rated opponents.

Syracuse is still kicking themselves for letting the ACC invite slip through their fingers. You can count on that!!

Honestly, I don't think the Big East thinks it needs to add a school.

But if they need a #9 football school, ECU needs to be the school coming along, even it's a football-only arrangement.

I'm trying to figure out if it is funny or just sad that ECU fans consistantly beg on message boards to be brought into other conferences, Big East, ACC and SEC.

If there were ever a conference that would not want ECU, is would have to be the ACC. Do you really think the ACC needs a fourth school in North Carolina?

If I were the ACC I would select Pittsburgh and USF. That would be fantastic, but it's not gonna happen.

South Tampa Knight Wrote:I'm trying to figure out if it is funny or just sad that ECU fans consistantly beg on message boards to be brought into other conferences, Big East, ACC and SEC.

If there were ever a conference that would not want ECU, is would have to be the ACC. Do you really think the ACC needs a fourth school in North Carolina?

Actually, that would make 5 out of the 14 schools located in the Carolinas- Wake, Duke, North Carolina, NC State, East Carolina.

. I just came back to see that the ACC fans are still trying to figure out how to fix their jacked-up conference. I see my earlier posts have touched a few nerves and have been disected- sentence by sentence- by ACC fans who bad mouth my opinion but yet, hang on my every word. Some of you even repeated my entire post and then complained about how it was a waste of your time. So, why have everyone read it twice? Go figure.
. The whole world knows ACC football is in trouble. IF you have another year like last year, you will be doomed.
. To the guy who said the BEast played inferior foes in the bowl games. Two of those games were against the best the ACC had to offer. But I do agree with you. I had hoped the BE could do better than tie-in to the crappy ACC. It was fun beating your best. I remember when people said UofL was no UM. Well, UofL throughly spanked UM early in the season. Then we take out your best in BCS and bowl games. How sweet.
. But don't take it personally. Everybody beats the ACC BCS team. Heck, just when was the last time the ACC won their BCS bowl game. I can't remember that far back. I have long-term memory loss anyways. But Like I said- it's not personal. WVU did the same thing to SEC BCS champ UGA a year earlier in the Georgia Dome- no less. I guess that's just how we do things in the BEast.
. Funny how, Swofford's plan was to have UM play FSU to kick off each year- on Monday night for a national audience. This year I think the ACC is going with WF in the kick off. I feel the entire ESPN nation is waiting for this game. Of course, I just kidding you with you guys. Sorry fellas- I think any WVU/UofL/Rutgers combination would have had larger national interest. BUt hey, don't be mad at me. I'm just the voice of truth to a conference deep in fantasty.
. P.S. I hear the BEast is gonna be something in basketball this year with the class coming in. You guys know we already have the record of three teams in the final four- I think we're going for four. BUt what do I know.
. For the queer who said I'm jealous of ACC football. The ACC had FSU in football and nobody else at a championship level. UM and VT fromthe Beast added two past champions to your collection. Now the BEast has WVU and UofL as title contenders and the ACC has, well, nobody.
. For the guy who thinks Syracuse wished they joined the ACC. Really? Who do you think feels smarter SYR or BC athletic director? O-K maybe the BC guy is a little happier- I'll admit. I mean after all, BC is killing you ACC guys in all sports. They never won anything in the BEast.
. And Yea, I know SYR BB got snubbed in the tournament last year- but I believe that's because the BE had no representative on the selection committee. We got cheated but we'll fix that. We still put a team in the final four (Georgetown) by knocking the ACC BB camps (North Carolina). Hey, it happened- I can't make this stuff up.
. Anyways, thanks for your continued interest in the BEast- where champs are made (VT, WVU, Rutgers) and the ACC, where champs become chumps (UM, FSU and soon to be VT).
. See you on the field fellas. Booya!!!

South Tampa Knight Wrote:I'm trying to figure out if it is funny or just sad that ECU fans consistantly beg on message boards to be brought into other conferences, Big East, ACC and SEC.

If there were ever a conference that would not want ECU, is would have to be the ACC. Do you really think the ACC needs a fourth school in North Carolina?

We just don't care for the Alantic Sun teams that was brought into our CUSA. It's kind of the same deal as you not wanting to stay in the A-Sun.

Ohio and Miami-OH from the might be possible adds. Miami ranks 60th in US News & World report while Ohio is 110th tied with Florida State. Consider that Swofford is an Ohio grad and that these adds would get ACC access to the Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland markets.

This subject seems to be the only thing everybody in every conference wants to talk about. You've all hammered it into the ground.

Frankly, I think you're all nuts.

It's dead. Bury it.

frogman Wrote:. I just came back to see that the ACC fans are still trying to figure out how to fix their jacked-up conference. I see my earlier posts have touched a few nerves and have been disected- sentence by sentence- by ACC fans who bad mouth my opinion but yet, hang on my every word. Some of you even repeated my entire post and then complained about how it was a waste of your time. So, why have everyone read it twice? Go figure.
. The whole world knows ACC football is in trouble. IF you have another year like last year, you will be doomed.
. To the guy who said the BEast played inferior foes in the bowl games. Two of those games were against the best the ACC had to offer. But I do agree with you. I had hoped the BE could do better than tie-in to the crappy ACC. It was fun beating your best. I remember when people said UofL was no UM. Well, UofL throughly spanked UM early in the season. Then we take out your best in BCS and bowl games. How sweet.
. But don't take it personally. Everybody beats the ACC BCS team. Heck, just when was the last time the ACC won their BCS bowl game. I can't remember that far back. I have long-term memory loss anyways. But Like I said- it's not personal. WVU did the same thing to SEC BCS champ UGA a year earlier in the Georgia Dome- no less. I guess that's just how we do things in the BEast.
. Funny how, Swofford's plan was to have UM play FSU to kick off each year- on Monday night for a national audience. This year I think the ACC is going with WF in the kick off. I feel the entire ESPN nation is waiting for this game. Of course, I just kidding you with you guys. Sorry fellas- I think any WVU/UofL/Rutgers combination would have had larger national interest. BUt hey, don't be mad at me. I'm just the voice of truth to a conference deep in fantasty.
. P.S. I hear the BEast is gonna be something in basketball this year with the class coming in. You guys know we already have the record of three teams in the final four- I think we're going for four. BUt what do I know.
. For the queer who said I'm jealous of ACC football. The ACC had FSU in football and nobody else at a championship level. UM and VT fromthe Beast added two past champions to your collection. Now the BEast has WVU and UofL as title contenders and the ACC has, well, nobody.
. For the guy who thinks Syracuse wished they joined the ACC. Really? Who do you think feels smarter SYR or BC athletic director? O-K maybe the BC guy is a little happier- I'll admit. I mean after all, BC is killing you ACC guys in all sports. They never won anything in the BEast.
. And Yea, I know SYR BB got snubbed in the tournament last year- but I believe that's because the BE had no representative on the selection committee. We got cheated but we'll fix that. We still put a team in the final four (Georgetown) by knocking the ACC BB camps (North Carolina). Hey, it happened- I can't make this stuff up.
. Anyways, thanks for your continued interest in the BEast- where champs are made (VT, WVU, Rutgers) and the ACC, where champs become chumps (UM, FSU and soon to be VT).
. See you on the field fellas. Booya!!!

Did Cuse defeat any of the ACC teams since the Raid?

The Be 7-3 record against the ACC is overrated. WVU and UL have fours wins out of the seven wins. WVU(Maryland & GT) UL(Wake & UM). UNC have 2 of the ACC Losses USF and Rutgers.

Stuff happens, did you forget that ACC owned the BE in 2004 and 2005.
UM does own BCS wins, 2000,2001 and 2003 couple with FSU win in 1999.

The ACC is stable, the BE is still talking about expanding or splitting between BB and FB schools.

Just keep letting ND pimp you all. They take away at large BCS Bids and top non BCS bids from the BE.

People Champion Wrote:Did Cuse defeat any of the ACC teams since the Raid?

The Be 7-3 record against the ACC is overrated. WVU and UL have fours wins out of the seven wins. WVU(Maryland & GT) UL(Wake & UM). UNC have 2 of the ACC Losses USF and Rutgers.

Stuff happens, did you forget that ACC owned the BE in 2004 and 2005.
UM does own BCS wins, 2000,2001 and 2003 couple with FSU win in 1999.

The ACC is stable, the BE is still talking about expanding or splitting between BB and FB schools.

Just keep letting ND pimp you all. They take away at large BCS Bids and top non BCS bids from the BE.]

PeopleChampion you must be crazy.
Here are your answers:
Did Duke beat any BE teams since the raid?
WakeForest, the ACC's best team, has 2 of the three ACC wins and those are against Syracuse and UCONN. IF we drop our losses to your best and you drop your losses to our best team, the BE is still ahead 5-1.
UM may have had BCS wins in 2000, 2001 and 2003. Unfortunately, they were in the BE those years. What are you thinking? No ACC team has a BCS win since 1999. A seven year drought. Personally, I think if you can't win a BCS game in ten years you should lose your automatic bid. Maybe this link will help you:

http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/timeline

Since the split the BE has defeated the SEC champ (Georgia) and the ACC champ (Wake Forest). Can you say "Next?"
The ACC was not stable before the raid- What makes them stable now? Before the raid the ACC struggled to maintain a required top 12 BCS ranking. Last year WF entered their BCS game ranked 13th. Then they lost to UofL and I think they finished the season ranked 17 (not sure). The only thing we agree on is ND. The way I see it, your problems are not with the BE but the SEC, they dominate your region now in both FB and BB.
NCAA rules require teams to play for 5 years to become a conference. The BE will split after 2010 and we may be taking BC and Maryland with us. I think we need to kick the ACC out of the northeast IMHO. At that time, we will also have no place for ND but they will fit in nicely with our BB only schools.


P.S. UofL beating ACC champ WF and one of the "kings" of college football UM, is pretty impressive. You can say the ACC was down but remember UofL lost their Heisman candidate runningback early in the season. That's the only thing tht kept the games close. Though they weren't that close at all.

frogman Wrote:

People Champion Wrote:Did Cuse defeat any of the ACC teams since the Raid?

The Be 7-3 record against the ACC is overrated. WVU and UL have fours wins out of the seven wins. WVU(Maryland & GT) UL(Wake & UM). UNC have 2 of the ACC Losses USF and Rutgers.

Stuff happens, did you forget that ACC owned the BE in 2004 and 2005.
UM does own BCS wins, 2000,2001 and 2003 couple with FSU win in 1999.

The ACC is stable, the BE is still talking about expanding or splitting between BB and FB schools.

Just keep letting ND pimp you all. They take away at large BCS Bids and top non BCS bids from the BE.]

PeopleChampion you must be crazy.
Here are your answers:
Did Duke beat any BE teams since the raid?
WakeForest, the ACC's best team, has 2 of the three ACC wins and those are against Syracuse and UCONN. IF we drop our losses to your best and you drop your losses to our best team, the BE is still ahead 5-1.
UM may have had BCS wins in 2000, 2001 and 2003. Unfortunately, they were in the BE those years. What are you thinking? No ACC team has a BCS win since 1999. A seven year drought. Personally, I think if you can't win a BCS game in ten years you should lose your automatic bid. Maybe this link will help you:

http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/timeline

Since the split the BE has defeated the SEC champ (Georgia) and the ACC champ (Wake Forest). Can you say "Next?"
The ACC was not stable before the raid- What makes them stable now? Before the raid the ACC struggled to maintain a required top 12 BCS ranking. Last year WF entered their BCS game ranked 13th. Then they lost to UofL and I think they finished the season ranked 17 (not sure). The only thing we agree on is ND. The way I see it, your problems are not with the BE but the SEC, they dominate your region now in both FB and BB.
NCAA rules require teams to play for 5 years to become a conference. The BE will split after 2010 and we may be taking BC and Maryland with us. I think we need to kick the ACC out of the northeast IMHO. At that time, we will also have no place for ND but they will fit in nicely with our BB only schools.


P.S. UofL beating ACC champ WF and one of the "kings" of college football UM, is pretty impressive. You can say the ACC was down but remember UofL lost their Heisman candidate runningback early in the season. That's the only thing tht kept the games close. Though they weren't that close at all.

I am sure BE fans are glad that 2006 season was considered great for them. Nobody dictates or predicts the future, coaching changes, seniors graduations, and juniors leaving early.

UM won or share most of the BE tiles during their stay, however they have not yet won an ACC Title. They should tell you something about the depth of the ACC Conference. 1997 is the only season that UM did not finished in the top 2 in the BE.

The ACC Raid help some teams in the BE, Rutgers becomes a bowl team and WVU becomes an elite team in the BE. The Old BE lineup is alot tougher than the current BE lineup.

The top teams in the OLd BE
UM
VT
WVU
Cuse
BC

The top teams in the Current BE
WVU
UL
Rutgers
USF
Cincy

Be carefully for what you wish for, the BE is lowest financially BCS conference. If BC decides to return to the BE it would be for geography reasons. WVU will be waiting by the phone when that happen.

By most counts, with the number of Heisman candidates, the BE is better now than ever.
Why do people believe past UM teams have anything to do with the current team? The guys that played on that old team have left the building. Your logic that the ACC is tougher because UM is struggling does not take into account that UofL devastated UM in a game. This is a weaker UM team that eventually fired their coach. This was not the same caliber UM that existed inthe BE and just as UM fell, Rutgers can rise and have a good team. It does not mean that Rutgers rose because UM and VT left the BE. Last years Rutgers team would have beaten UM and VT just as would have WVU and Louisville. BE coaches are sought after. Didn't UM go after Rutgers coach? You're talking with your heart People Champ and not with your head.
The polls got it right. The ACC was down last year and the BE was up. Live with it man. Live with it.


P.S.: Don't bet on the BE remaining the lowest financially and don't bank on WVU looking at the ACC ever. The ACC is in the toughest spot, it shares the south with the primere confernece, the SEC. The ACC had been a one team conference, FSU, for years. It's not like the rest of the ACC was ever really any good. When FSU fell the ACC fell. Your current ranked teams are VT and that's about it. Where would you be without the BE. The BE: where champs are made. The ACC: where champs become chumps.
The least an ingrate like you could say is thank you BE. ESPN knows they overpaid the ACC contract.

This could go on and on. Last year was UL first win against UM. It is a proven fact that Rutgers benefitted from the ACC Raid. The ACC won the majority of the matchups in 2004 and 2005. Using your logic or theory, the MWC is better than the BE. Their 2004 Champion did crushed the 2004 BE Champion. If you want to play the facts game, do not leave anything out. Are you mad because Cuse got rejected by the NC schools and UVA politics? The Big 10 is rumored to raid the BE for Cuse. Outside of the WVU and UL Game, which BE game drum up alot of interest that does not include WVU or UL. Rutgers was a Cinderalla Story last year, they will fade like the other Cinderalla Teams.

Man I feel the hate.
Why do you ACC fans hate the BE so much? Even this post: "Let's raid them again." I mean, Swofford got what he wanted and, on our end, the BE is doing fine.
If you followed BE sports you'd know that WVU played UM tough for years. They were a program on the rise. Programs rise and programs fall. USF is on the rise- they have a great coach. I believe WVU will not be a condender next year and USF will lead the BE.
As far as BC goes, I personally don't believe they are completely happy in the ACC. No one expected the BE to survive, but it has. What do you think is a better rivalry: BC vs Syr, Uconn, Pitt or BC vs NC, Ga. Tech, or some other southern school.
The BE had a good year last year. Rutgers may be suspect, but they opened the door to recruit NJ talent and showed that NYC has a pulse as far as college football is concerned. There's something to work with there, if the BE can figure it out.
We're building a conference and we're happy so far. Yea, the ACC was down last year and won't fully recover this year, but that's the way the ball bounces.
P.S. in 2004 the MWC was better than the Big East at the top but in 2006 the BE was heads and shoulders over the MWC and the ACC. period. Slaton and White were not playing in the BE in 2004. Neither was UofL.
This is college sports and guys graduate and new stars emerge. Do you think Florida will win the BB title again now that all those players have moved on to the NBA? They may, but it will have nothing to do with last year's championship team.
Football fans seem to like to win their games before the season starts. WVU will be good this year because they were good last year and their stars are back. UM has to find new stars or they will never be great again. Rutgers found some talent, give them credit.
Just becaue you have a UM or an FSU on you jersey doesn't mean you automatically win games. and just because you have a "R' doesn't mean you have to always lose.
Also, I don't know if Rutgers helps the Big 10 Network. The Big 10's top football games will still be played on ESPN and unlike a lot of other college towns, NYC is a pro sports towns and once even had two pro teams in BB, FB and Baseball. Places like Morgantown and Iowa, just have college to watch. New Yorkers don't have to watch Rutgers swimming and Lacrosse or Rutgers baseball or any of the extras the Big 10 Newtork will give their fans inthe midwest. Syracuse has no television market. Most NYC residents couldn't tell you what state Syracuse is in.

Here a link I think you'll like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTotiPwfI...ed&search=

If you liked that link, you'll love this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw9YicB_LCM&NR=1

Prior to WVU upsetting GA in the Sugar bowl, the BE had an awful year in 2005. They was 0-3 in bowls at the time, the ACC had some convincing wins against the top BE teams. VT beat both UL and WVU, UM beat USF, and NCSt beat USF. WVU's victory over GA hides all those things.

Syracuse have been in a down period every since McNabb left. Stuff happens from year to year. Cuse destroyed UM in 98 and UM returned the favor in 99.

I watched both the VT games. VT had Marcus Vick- a pretty good quarterback. WVU was in the game up until a kickoff return that bounced off the chest of a WVU receiver and into the hands of a VT player. I remember thinking somebody should just beat that kid up.
UofL almost beat UM maybe just prior to joining the BE. They finally got the job done last year.
As a BE fan, I'm hoping for very few surprises this year. Of course, good surprises, like maybe USF beating Auburn, would be welcome. That would be the new BE's second biggest win since WVU/UGA.
The five bowl wins last year, really don't honestly impress me either.
Good luck to the ACC this year. Somebody once told me that the ACC destroyed FSU. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if it is about recruiting in the region with the SEC. I haven't paid enough attention but if the ACC developes the rep as the Jr. south league to the SEC, it's going to be a hard image to break. I understand Swofford's need to upgrade. I have no issue with the ACC keeping VT and UM, the only two national champ level teams from the last ten years in the BE. But I'd like to see BC (Benedict College) come home and bring Maryland with them. I think conferences should be regional and not all over the place.
Of course USF is the BE exception because all the FB talent is in the south, particularly Florida. In the south football is king. I don't know one New York City high school with a football team. They do play football in Jersey.
People Champ, don't be mad at me abut MD and BC, if the ACC can't win with UM, VT and FSU- I'm not the problem.