techfan4 Wrote:

frogman Wrote:What are you guys smoking?

ACC expand again? Stop dreaming.
The Big East fools like Boston college and V. Tech were following Miami in the last raid. The Belief was that UM was a football powerhouse and where they went that's where the money would go.
That was then. This is now. Today the ACC couldn't draw Memphis out of Conf. USA. No current Big East team will see any value in joining the ACC. well, maybe Seton Hall. The ACC is a busted conference. You guys suck in BB and in FB.
Had seven in the big dance and seven out. Duke gone in the first round and the magic is gone with them. No one respects the ACC anymore because you don't deserve it.
FACT #1: The Big East won the conference realignment wars hands down.
It's funny the only way ACC fans think they can improve is by raiding. It's funnier that you believe some other teams would conider joining your conference where it is right now.
Your raiding days are over- now you have to live with what you got.
Yep. You got it. The whole world of college sports is laughing at you. I know, I know. You're going to turn this thing around next year. Well, That is then, this is now.

Yawn. When you think of college football, which comes to mind first: Big East or ACC? When you think of college basketball, which comes to mind first: Big East or ACC?

Sorry bud. Welcome to NCAAbbs, but no one really cares about the Big East. You have Jim Boeheim. Congrats. Goodbye.

In football, The BEast is definitely the first one thought of.

The ACC has never been a football conference - outside of FSU, or Clemson in the distant past. There are more decent teams, but no real powers any longer. ACC football is FSU - until somebody can prove otherwise. Wake Forest didn't do it last year. Neither did anyone else in the conference.

Virginia Tech could be dominant this year, but they have a habit of folding at the end of the season. Until they can prove they won't, they won't get much notice in the national championship picture.

FSU could be back this year, but I think they're a year away. Wake will be decent again, as will Clemson. But neither will win the conference.

BC might be the sleeper this year in the ACC, although that remains to be seen. I still think they made a mistake joining the ACC, since they aren't close to any other ACC schools and have so much traveling to do. But it's their mistake. They have to live with it. However, if they can manage to win the conference, it will make everything seem ok for BC.

For basketball, The BEast rules.

The ACC comes to mind first for oldtimers. But the younger generation doesn't remember the days of glory for North Carolina - when Duke was a nobody. The BEast is a tougher basketball conference than the ACC, and the entire nation knows it!

frogman Wrote:I watched both the VT games. VT had Marcus Vick- a pretty good quarterback. WVU was in the game up until a kickoff return that bounced off the chest of a WVU receiver and into the hands of a VT player. I remember thinking somebody should just beat that kid up.
UofL almost beat UM maybe just prior to joining the BE. They finally got the job done last year.
As a BE fan, I'm hoping for very few surprises this year. Of course, good surprises, like maybe USF beating Auburn, would be welcome. That would be the new BE's second biggest win since WVU/UGA.
The five bowl wins last year, really don't honestly impress me either.
Good luck to the ACC this year. Somebody once told me that the ACC destroyed FSU. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if it is about recruiting in the region with the SEC. I haven't paid enough attention but if the ACC developes the rep as the Jr. south league to the SEC, it's going to be a hard image to break. I understand Swofford's need to upgrade. I have no issue with the ACC keeping VT and UM, the only two national champ level teams from the last ten years in the BE. But I'd like to see BC (Benedict College) come home and bring Maryland with them. I think conferences should be regional and not all over the place.
Of course USF is the BE exception because all the FB talent is in the south, particularly Florida. In the south football is king. I don't know one New York City high school with a football team. They do play football in Jersey.
People Champ, don't be mad at me abut MD and BC, if the ACC can't win with UM, VT and FSU- I'm not the problem.

Right now WVU and UL is the class of the BE, if those two teams have the same type of seasons that UM and FSU did last year, the talk about the BE being a mid major conference will echo again. WVU and UL are keeping the BE afloat. Rutgers was a Cinderall story.

Don't forget we also have USF. USF will win the conference someday, mainly because their coach is a monster- he wants to be top dog. That's a good thing. We need more coaches like him.

frogman Wrote:Don't forget we also have USF. USF will win the conference someday, mainly because their coach is a monster- he wants to be top dog. That's a good thing. We need more coaches like him.

Sorry, however USF have a long uphill battle to reach that goal of winning the BE.

First, USF is the 4th best team in Florida despite what the records were last year. The top recruits will still pick the Big 3 over USF.

Second, USF is still young, they do not have the traditions of the Big 3, that attracts the top recruits.

Third, Until USF do something major other than pulling an upset win against UL or WVU, the remaining top recruits who do not sign with the Big 3 will continue to leave Florida and sign with Top Traditional Programs.

Fourth, USF is closer to UCF than they are to the Big 3.

Conclusion, USF will have to win major recruiting battles against the Big 3 to win the BE.

You mean you hope top recruits will choose Miami. And you also have to hope that Miami has the coaching staff to further develop these recruits. After all, FSU has failed to offer a top 10 team in years. Miami didn't fire their top recruits, they fired their coach. It is not yet proven whether the new guy is up to the job after all, he was the second choice after Rutgers coach turned down the job.

frogman Wrote:You mean you hope top recruits will choose Miami. And you also have to hope that Miami has the coaching staff to further develop these recruits. After all, FSU has failed to offer a top 10 team in years. Miami didn't fire their top recruits, they fired their coach. It is not yet proven whether the new guy is up to the job after all, he was the second choice after Rutgers coach turned down the job.

UM,s Dynasty run began in 1977 under Lou Saban. Top recruits have been coming to UM every since that time. Even when UM was on probation, top recruits still signed with them. You need to learn the atmosphere of College Football in Florida before you make stupid statements. The Big 3 rise as Elite teams began in the late 70's. That is almost 30 years of winning tradition and putting players into the NFL. What make you think an 11 year old program that only being playing D-1A for 7 years, will leapfrog anyone of the Big 3 team? Even Jim Leavitt is not ready for USF to be considered part of the Big 4. Once he publicly admit that USF is in the Big 4, the honeymoon is over. The sport media and fans will demand that USF will be included in the NC or bust expectations that the Big 3 have.

BTW, GS passed up the UM job, however, when Florida Sports writer had their Florida Coaches Media Day, guess who showed up?

You can talk about tradition all you want. Traditions begins and new and end and nothing is gauranteed. Besides it looks like Miami is starting a new traditon as thugs on the field who get whipped. USFis also beginning a new traditon. Perhaps you better take note. anyways Um plas USF down the road. I'm not afraid-- are you? In fact I'm looking forward to it--- are you?
Let the season begin!!!!!!!!! ANd the talking end.

People Champion Wrote:UM,s Dynasty run began in 1977 under Lou Saban. Top recruits have been coming to UM every since that time. Even when UM was on probation, top recruits still signed with them. You need to learn the atmosphere of College Football in Florida before you make stupid statements. The Big 3 rise as Elite teams began in the late 70's. That is almost 30 years of winning tradition and putting players into the NFL. What make you think an 11 year old program that only being playing D-1A for 7 years, will leapfrog anyone of the Big 3 team? Even Jim Leavitt is not ready for USF to be considered part of the Big 4. Once he publicly admit that USF is in the Big 4, the honeymoon is over. The sport media and fans will demand that USF will be included in the NC or bust expectations that the Big 3 have.

By now- with FSU's lost to Clemson, you can't beleive there is a big 3 in FLorida. FSU hasn't been BIG for over ten years and their hopes for a national championship are already over for this year. Things are changing. FSU now has a tradition of failure.
You seem like one of those guys who believe tradition is more important than hard work. Ask Appalanchia State about work vs tradition.
An 11 year old program can be at the top of the heap with the right coach and right players. DOn't take my word for it-- just keep watching.

You're a wittness of a new tradition of excellence being born right before your eyes. DOn't miss the future because you're looking at the past.

Well after couple weeks of football, is there any debate which conference is better top down? ACC sucks and should have the BCS bid revoked.

BCU and GT are the best teams in the ACC? Man it will be another great bowl season. I really hope BE conference game don't have to play another ACC team again in the BCS bowl. It would suck for us to beat on some sorry ACC team that no one will give us respect for beating.

SF Husky Wrote:Well after couple weeks of football, is there any debate which conference is better top down? ACC sucks and should have the BCS bid revoked.

BCU and GT are the best teams in the ACC? Man it will be another great bowl season. I really hope BE conference game don't have to play another ACC team again in the BCS bowl. It would suck for us to beat on some sorry ACC team that no one will give us respect for beating.

AMEN BROTHER. AMEN!

SF Husky Wrote:Well after couple weeks of football, is there any debate which conference is better top down? ACC sucks and should have the BCS bid revoked.

BCU and GT are the best teams in the ACC? Man it will be another great bowl season. I really hope BE conference game don't have to play another ACC team again in the BCS bowl. It would suck for us to beat on some sorry ACC team that no one will give us respect for beating.

An UCONN fan talking smack. What you are hiding behind other teams success? Will UCONN be in that BCS Bowl game that you are talking about? The BE is the conference where fans hide behind other teams success.

frogman Wrote:

SF Husky Wrote:Well after couple weeks of football, is there any debate which conference is better top down? ACC sucks and should have the BCS bid revoked.

BCU and GT are the best teams in the ACC? Man it will be another great bowl season. I really hope BE conference game don't have to play another ACC team again in the BCS bowl. It would suck for us to beat on some sorry ACC team that no one will give us respect for beating.

AMEN BROTHER. AMEN!

:lmfao:What have Cuse done since Donovan McNabb Era? It amazing how you hide behind other teams' success while Cuse is losing every year.

People Champion Wrote:

frogman Wrote:

SF Husky Wrote:Well after couple weeks of football, is there any debate which conference is better top down? ACC sucks and should have the BCS bid revoked.

BCU and GT are the best teams in the ACC? Man it will be another great bowl season. I really hope BE conference game don't have to play another ACC team again in the BCS bowl. It would suck for us to beat on some sorry ACC team that no one will give us respect for beating.

AMEN BROTHER. AMEN!

:lmfao:What have Cuse done since Donovan McNabb Era? It amazing how you hide behind other teams' success while Cuse is losing every year.

People's chump has lost his mind.
This is about the BE and the ACC. What has the Cuse done, they have managed to remain a member of a thriving conference as opposed to being a member of a busted conference filled with crybabies.

frogman Wrote:

People Champion Wrote:

frogman Wrote:

SF Husky Wrote:Well after couple weeks of football, is there any debate which conference is better top down? ACC sucks and should have the BCS bid revoked.

BCU and GT are the best teams in the ACC? Man it will be another great bowl season. I really hope BE conference game don't have to play another ACC team again in the BCS bowl. It would suck for us to beat on some sorry ACC team that no one will give us respect for beating.

AMEN BROTHER. AMEN!

:lmfao:What have Cuse done since Donovan McNabb Era? It amazing how you hide behind other teams' success while Cuse is losing every year.

People's chump has lost his mind.
This is about the BE and the ACC. What has the Cuse done, they have managed to remain a member of a thriving conference as opposed to being a member of a busted conference filled with crybabies.

You have to hide behind success of other teams not your own team. That is being a coward, let ride the coattail of another team since my team sucks. Cuse is not holding their end of the bargain in football. The season is still young.

You have to raid another conference to hide the miserable failure of your teams to improve by improving. Yet, when you bring success into a culture of failure, the culture spreads and success becomes failure.
And now you, people's chumpion, are focused on the SYR. Why are you focused on SYR now, you never focused on SYR before.
CRybaby, Crybaby. Wipe your weeping eyes baby.

Hey Chumpion, did you see this link:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/conten...CID=712288

UConn plays football?

Guest Wrote:I think you guys are thinking too small...

personally, I'd like to see the ACC take a stab at Penn State

I also think Rutgers is awakening in terms of football...

Add Rutgers and Penn State

This would be the smartest move IMO...

frogman Wrote:

People Champion Wrote:UM,s Dynasty run began in 1977 under Lou Saban. Top recruits have been coming to UM every since that time. Even when UM was on probation, top recruits still signed with them. You need to learn the atmosphere of College Football in Florida before you make stupid statements. The Big 3 rise as Elite teams began in the late 70's. That is almost 30 years of winning tradition and putting players into the NFL. What make you think an 11 year old program that only being playing D-1A for 7 years, will leapfrog anyone of the Big 3 team? Even Jim Leavitt is not ready for USF to be considered part of the Big 4. Once he publicly admit that USF is in the Big 4, the honeymoon is over. The sport media and fans will demand that USF will be included in the NC or bust expectations that the Big 3 have.

By now- with FSU's lost to Clemson, you can't beleive there is a big 3 in FLorida. FSU hasn't been BIG for over ten years and their hopes for a national championship are already over for this year. Things are changing. FSU now has a tradition of failure.

FSU and Miami have yet to have losing seasons...

SF Husky Wrote:Well after couple weeks of football, is there any debate which conference is better top down? ACC sucks and should have the BCS bid revoked.

BCU and GT are the best teams in the ACC? Man it will be another great bowl season. I really hope BE conference game don't have to play another ACC team again in the BCS bowl. It would suck for us to beat on some sorry ACC team that no one will give us respect for beating.

I guess UVA sucks, too.
WORST BCS LEAGUE
USF is a great story and Cincinnati has been a surprise, but overall the Big East, which is 6-7 against opponents from other BCS conferences, has been disappointing. One may argue that three of those losses were endured by lowly Syracuse, so that's not a fair assessment. But Syracuse, which beat Louisville, is just one of two teams that Big Ten cellar-dweller Iowa has beaten (the other is Northern Illinois). Louisville, which was expected to be among the Big East's top teams, has lost to Kentucky and Utah.
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/conten...9#worstbcs

Stop hating CHUMPION, In fact, why don't you come on over to the BE boards. These ACC boards are dead.
Boston College and VT are dominating the ACC. I guess the BE teams are way better than the home grown ACC teams. That's why you raided us to save your sorry league.
And CHUMPION is not a typo.