erdaaggie Wrote:I don't see how UTEP in west Texas is so geographically friendly to teams in West VA, UCF, East Carolina, etc. The WAC is more of a geographically friendly league.

Ah...nice...more fantastic Aggie logic and knowledge...just a different ag school. How do you figure the WAC is more geographically-friendly when it stretches from the Hawaiian Islands all the way to Ruston, LA, and then all the way northwest to Idaho (two separate teams)? That makes going from El Paso to North Carolina and/or West Virginia look like a day trip.

miner166 Wrote:

erdaaggie Wrote:I don't see how UTEP in west Texas is so geographically friendly to teams in West VA, UCF, East Carolina, etc.  The WAC is more of a geographically friendly league.

Ah...nice...more fantastic Aggie logic and knowledge...just a different ag school. How do you figure the WAC is more geographically-friendly when it stretches from the Hawaiian Islands all the way to Ruston, LA, and then all the way northwest to Idaho (two separate teams)? That makes going from El Paso to North Carolina and/or West Virginia look like a day trip.

Well troll if you must know I was talking about the league as a whole. Yes La Tech is out there, but besides that we are a western league. I also have no problem with UTEP in C-USA. However if you looked at a map, which they may not have in El Paso, you would see that C-USA is in 3 time zones. Maybe I should have reworded that, we do have Hawaii, but the majority of the schools are in the Mountain and Pacific time zones. The point is you have schools from WV to Florida, to West Texas,a pretty big area. BTW if you left the WAC, please be gone. (Not all UTEP posters, just this one that thinks he should come here and put down the league he left.)

My general point is that we (USU) are within a reasonable driving distance (less than 16 hours) of Boise, Idaho, Nevada, San Jose, and Fresno. NMSU is a little further, but manageable. 6 of the 8 schools within driving distance.

How many schools are that close to El Paso? 4 or maybe 5 of the 12. Yes it is quite regional for you, so stay on your own board and tell the folks in Huntington and Orlando about it. :rolleyes:

BTW you have been one of the worst teams in America in football for a long time. Don't let an 8-4 season go to your head. Heck you have been even worse than USU, and we at least have some excuses for our struggles. (Crumbling conference, independence, etc.) You won 6 games in 3 seasons before Price came. He may not stay forever either. :crying:

[/QUOTE]Well troll if you must know I was talking about the league as a whole. Yes La Tech is out there, but besides that we are a western league. I also have no problem with UTEP in C-USA. However if you looked at a map, which they may not have in El Paso, you would see that C-USA is in 3 time zones. Maybe I should have reworded that, we do have Hawaii, but the majority of the schools are in the Mountain and Pacific time zones. The point is you have schools from WV to Florida, to West Texas,a pretty big area. BTW if you left the WAC, please be gone. (Not all UTEP posters, just this one that thinks he should come here and put down the league he left.)

My general point is that we (USU) are within a reasonable driving distance (less than 16 hours) of Boise, Idaho, Nevada, San Jose, and Fresno. NMSU is a little further, but manageable. 6 of the 8 schools within driving distance.

How many schools are that close to El Paso? 4 or maybe 5 of the 12. Yes it is quite regional for you, so stay on your own board and tell the folks in Huntington and Orlando about it. :rolleyes:

BTW you have been one of the worst teams in America in football for a long time. Don't let an 8-4 season go to your head. Heck you have been even worse than USU, and we at least have some excuses for our struggles. (Crumbling conference, independence, etc.) You won 6 games in 3 seasons before Price came. He may not stay forever either. :crying: [/QUOTE]



Hey, aggie...I didn't make one disparaging remark about the WAC. It's the league I grew up with and have supported my entire life. Point out to me where I insulted your conference. Oh wait...you can't. Thanks for trying anyhow.


All I simply did was refute your initial statement. That, along with the fact that I pointed out its source was derived from aggie logic.

Ah...that's what makes me a troll.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

Well troll if you must know I was talking about the league as a whole. Yes La Tech is out there, but besides that we are a western league. I also have no problem with UTEP in C-USA. However if you looked at a map, which they may not have in El Paso, you would see that C-USA is in 3 time zones. Maybe I should have reworded that, we do have Hawaii, but the majority of the schools are in the Mountain and Pacific time zones. The point is you have schools from WV to Florida, to West Texas,a pretty big area. BTW if you left the WAC, please be gone. (Not all UTEP posters, just this one that thinks he should come here and put down the league he left.)

My general point is that we (USU) are within a reasonable driving distance (less than 16 hours) of Boise, Idaho, Nevada, San Jose, and Fresno. NMSU is a little further, but manageable. 6 of the 8 schools within driving distance.

How many schools are that close to El Paso? 4 or maybe 5 of the 12. Yes it is quite regional for you, so stay on your own board and tell the folks in Huntington and Orlando about it. :rolleyes:

BTW you have been one of the worst teams in America in football for a long time. Don't let an 8-4 season go to your head. Heck you have been even worse than USU, and we at least have some excuses for our struggles. (Crumbling conference, independence, etc.) You won 6 games in 3 seasons before Price came. He may not stay forever either. :crying: [/QUOTE]



Hey, aggie...I didn't make one disparaging remark about the WAC. It's the league I grew up with and have supported my entire life. Point out to me where I insulted your conference. Oh wait...you can't. Thanks for trying anyhow.


All I simply did was refute your initial statement. That, along with the fact that I pointed out its source was derived from aggie logic.

Ah...that's what makes me a troll.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Ah...nice...more fantastic Aggie logic and knowledge...just a different ag school.[QUOTE]

You insulted my school, so yes you are a troll. I never said that you directly insulted the WAC, I said that you insulted USU. By insulting schools in a league, you are insulting the league. I should not have assumed someone like you could deduce that. You probably couldn't get into a better school like NMSU. (Once again any UTEP poster that reads this, please disregard it, it is only meant for our little troll friend.)

Since I have shown you the logic that USU is in a regional league, you've decided to tell us that I have faulty logic.

But hey why should you care, after all you are in the geographically friendly C-USA. I mean schools like East Carolina and Marshall are much closer to you than NMSU, USU, and Nevada. Please go back to your geographically friendly board.

BanditoAggie Wrote:Found this on the UTinEPt board.

It will be quite funny to watch their faces when they wake up and realize that C-USA consists of... nobody.... :laugh: Seems all the good teams left. :snore:

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Aug. 2, 2005, 12:07AM



CONFERENCE USA MEDIA DAYS
Best-of-rest C-USA is eager to prove itself

It may not belong to the BCS, but its members believe they are closer to being elite than the handful of other have-not conferences in college football

By MICHAEL :withstupid: MURPHY
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

HOW THEY COMPARE
A look at the non-BCS conferences:

Conference USA
• Studs: UTEP (8-4 in the WAC), Memphis (8-4).
• Duds: UCF (0-11), East Carolina (2-9), Rice (3-8), SMU (3-8), Houston (3-8).
• Biggest positive: Geographical rivalries, NFL-quality talent.
• Biggest negative: If ever there was a conference that needed a name change, this is the one. Nothing says Mickey Mouse quite like "Conference USA."

Mountain West
• Stud: Utah (12-0).
• Duds: UNLV (2-9), San Diego State (4-7), Colorado State (4-7).
• Biggest positive: Football-crazy fans.
• Biggest negative: Pull aside 10 casual football fans and see how many can correctly name all eight members without confusing them with the WAC.

Western Athletic
• Studs: Boise State (11-1), Fresno State (9-3), Hawaii (8-5).
• Duds: San Jose State (2-9), New Mexico State (5-7), Nevada (5-7).
• Biggest positive: A trip to the islands.
• Biggest negative: Way too many time zones, which means not much of what you could quite call "geographical" rivalries.

Mid-American
• Studs: Toledo (9-4), Northern Illinois (9-3), Bowling Green (9-3).
• Duds: Western Michigan (1-10), Buffalo (2-9), Ball State (2-9), Ohio U. (4-7), Central Michigan (4-7), Eastern Michigan (4-7).
• Biggest positive: Located in the heart of the football belt.
• Biggest negative: More compass directions than your nearest atlas. Also, far too top-heavy, with almost no middle class.

Sun Belt
• Studs: None.
• Duds: Arkansas State (2-9), Louisiana-Monroe (2-9), Louisiana-Lafayette (3-8), Florida International (3-7).
• Biggest positive: There are some athletes, and the Sun Belt will play anyone.
• Biggest negative: Even in this age of media over-saturation, how many Sun Belt football games have you ever seen? Ever?
-- MICHAEL :withstupid: MURPHY

Link?

I fail to see anywhere that he states we think we are God's gift to football. Doesn't take much to bring out your inferior complex I see. I would just like to point out CUSA's number of bowls and its TV contracts with not only ESPN but CSTV as well. Somebody out there thinks we are a pretty good conference.

erdaaggie Wrote:You insulted my school, so yes you are a troll. I never said that you directly insulted the WAC, I said that you insulted USU. By insulting schools in a league, you are insulting the league. I should not have assumed someone like you could deduce that. You probably couldn't get into a better school like NMSU. (Once again any UTEP poster that reads this, please disregard it, it is only meant for our little troll friend.)

Since I have shown you the logic that USU is in a regional league, you've decided to tell us that I have faulty logic.

But hey why should you care, after all you are in the geographically friendly C-USA. I mean schools like East Carolina and Marshall are much closer to you than NMSU, USU, and Nevada. Please go back to your geographically friendly board.

Guess who?

Yeah...I'm still trolling.

So...because I "insulted" your school, you correlate that to "insulting" your conference? Wow...that's quite a stretch.

I don't have anything against USU. I'm quite certain a fine education can be had there. I was just poking fun at you for being an Aggie. Obviously, it hurt your poor little feelings. And, no, you said I insulted your conference, not your school. It's right up in the thread. Feel free to go read it again.
Never mind...here's what you said: "BTW if you left the WAC, please be gone. (Not all UTEP posters, just this one that thinks he should come here and put down the league he left.)"

I never said a thing about USU. Nothing. But, you keep trying if it makes you feel better.

You do have faulty logic. Most of the schools UTEP will face are located in Texas, Oklahoma (Tulsa) and Louisiana (Tulane). That's why C-USA has a Western division (the one UTEP is a member of) and an Eastern division. So, UTEP might have to go play at Marshall and Southern Miss one year, but ALL WAC teams will have to make trips to Hawaii, Ruston, and Idaho EVERY YEAR. Also, while UTEP has to travel east to play in C-USA, they had to travel east, north, and far west while in the WAC.

By the way, UTEP and NMSU play every year in both football and basketball anyhow. We don't have to share a conference with them for that to happen. The two schools are located 45 minutes apart.

Anything else?

Good luck to your team this year.

For the record, I still love the WAC and wish nothing but the best for each and every WAC school.

BanditoAggie Wrote:Mountain West
• Stud: Utah (12-0).
• Duds: UNLV (2-9), San Diego State (4-7), Colorado State (4-7).
• Biggest positive: Football-crazy fans.
• Biggest negative: Pull aside 10 casual football fans and see how many can correctly name all eight members without confusing them with the WAC.

hmmm - pull aside any 10 sports writers and ask them how many teams are in the mwc - and this idiot will tell you there are 8.

duh!

tells me all i need to know when he rates these conferences.

Sure, that's why Cinn sucks, and Louisville went down so hard the other day. The Weak WhACk will never compare to what the CUSA has now. It's big and bad, and the Laggies and unm already felt the wrath of it. GO CUSA!

IYNWUYAU Wrote:Sure, that's why Cinn sucks, and Louisville went down so hard the other day. The Weak WhACk will never compare to what the CUSA has now. It's big and bad, and the Laggies and unm already felt the wrath of it. GO CUSA!

I think they need to give your T2 guy a blood test!!!!!!!!!!

Ya'll give UTEP a break...they had one good season in 35 years and some moron called them a stud. Let them live it up because price will be gone after one more good season and they'll be the same old UTEP. As for UNT, the only reason I want to beat them into oblivion is because of the posters that hang around our board. They've been talkin' smack since they found out they'd be playing us. Due to their recent results, the smack has subsided. We will beat UNT in Ruston.

As for CUSA, the certainly think they are God's gift to sports. In reality, it's just a group of dreamers reassuring their buddies when they propose their ridiculous ideas. No CUSA team will be the at large BCS bid...esepcially as long as Weiss is at Notre Dame. Let them enjoy their dillusions.

johnnylightnin Wrote:Ya'll give UTEP a break...they had one good season in 35 years and some moron called them a stud. Let them live it up because price will be gone after one more good season and they'll be the same old UTEP.

As for CUSA, the certainly think they are God's gift to sports. In reality, it's just a group of dreamers reassuring their buddies when they propose their ridiculous ideas. No CUSA team will be the at large BCS bid...esepcially as long as Weiss is at Notre Dame. Let them enjoy their dillusions.

I love how everyone who doesn't like UTEP has the "Price will be leaving" argument. He loves El Paso and UTEP. Sure, he MAY leave, but there's been no indication as of yet. Even if he does leave, why does that necessarily mean UTEP will be the "same old UTEP". Price has showed that you can win there, we have great facilities, great fan support. The future looks bright.

"No CUSA team will be the at large BCS bid"

I agree, it's not likely. Still UTEP is the highest ranked non-BCS team, so if there is a non-BCS team sneaking in, UTEP has the best shot.

I'm still a fan of the WAC and will always pull for WAC schools when they're not playing CUSA. At the same time, I think UTEP is in a much better situation in CUSA, with much better TV money and exposure and much better bowl opportunities.

MondoMiner Wrote:I love how everyone who doesn't like UTEP has the "Price will be leaving" argument.  He loves El Paso and UTEP.  Sure, he MAY leave, but there's been no indication as of yet.

just the accumulated experience of all 53 non-bcs programs - if you have a coach that is successful, he'll get offered a job at multiples of the money he's presently making to revive a dormant bcs program. it has nothing to do with utep as a school or price as a person - it's just the way it works.

there are exceptions (but they are usually those coaches who went to said school and wouldn't leave no matter what) ...otherwise, your town/school is just a stopover on a long journey to become notre dame's next coach.

nobody wishes it on utep - but we've all seen this before.

and back to the topic of c-usa and their opinion of themselves:
- they are 5-0 vs the i-aa: no one cares unless you lose to the i-aa, so this doesn't mean anything
- they have one win over the bcs (ecu over duke) which is relatively meaningless - we all know there are about 20 bcs programs that are bcs in name only - duke is one of the worst of those.
- they are 5-0 vs the non-bcs (which is good) but two of those we're over the sunbelt *(who hasn't beaten a single i-a team this year), two we're over the mwc (smu over tcu, utep over new mexico) - which are nice wins, and one win over the wac (utep over nmsu) - which isn't one of the better wac teams.

all in all - i would say, they're playing a weak non-bcs schedule (aside from utep playing new mexico and smu playing tcu - which are both traditonal games for those programs), but they are handling it.

as an aside: you don't see c-usa programs signing up to play utah, colorado state, air force, hawaii, boise state, fresno state, miami(ohio), toledo, northern illinois, bgsu etc in their ooc schedules (the non-bcs teams that are generally good - which is the best you can do with schedules made years in advance). some of them won't turn out to be good in a particular year that you might play them (for example: bgsu this year) - but at least you were scheduling with the "intention" of playing good non-bcs competition. they'll counter that they play tough bcs programs - and they do --- but so do all of our conferences.
as a second aside: c-usa plays more i-aa games per conference member than any other non-bcs conference (other than the sunbelt - who has two teams fresh out of i-aa, so it is expected).

EMUHuron Wrote:

MondoMiner Wrote:I love how everyone who doesn't like UTEP has the "Price will be leaving" argument.  He loves El Paso and UTEP.  Sure, he MAY leave, but there's been no indication as of yet.

just the accumulated experience of all 53 non-bcs programs - if you have a coach that is successful, he'll get offered a job at multiples of the money he's presently making to revive a dormant bcs program. it has nothing to do with utep as a school or price as a person - it's just the way it works.

there are exceptions (but they are usually those coaches who went to said school and wouldn't leave no matter what) ...otherwise, your town/school is just a stopover on a long journey to become notre dame's next coach.

nobody wishes it on utep - but we've all seen this before.

I never worry about coaches leaving.....
Why Worry....????
Live for the moment, these might be the Good Ole Days in the near future!!
Wish UTEP the best in the CUSA and I hope they win the CUSA this year.....

broncobob Wrote:I never worry about coaches leaving.....
Why Worry....????
Live for the moment, these might be the Good Ole Days in the near future!!
Wish UTEP the best in the CUSA and I hope they win the CUSA this year.....

It'll be UTEP or Memphis winning CUSA in my estimation Bob. Both are pretty all-around good teams.

Price sure has the miners believing in themselves and that is so important. I wish the miners were still in the WAC, I would have loved to see the broncos line up against them in bronco stadium this year.

titan Wrote:

broncobob Wrote:I never worry about coaches leaving.....
Why Worry....????
Live for the moment, these might be the Good Ole Days in the near future!!
Wish UTEP the best in the CUSA and I hope they win the CUSA this year.....

It'll be UTEP or Memphis winning CUSA in my estimation Bob. Both are pretty all-around good teams.

Price sure has the miners believing in themselves and that is so important. I wish the miners were still in the WAC, I would have loved to see the broncos line up against them in bronco stadium this year.

Thanks for the well-wishes.

Memphis is down to their 3rd string QB, a true freshman who didn't even play QB in high school. If we can contain DeAngelo, we should be okay. Due to the injuries, I don't think Memphis will have the year they might have otherwise.

I think UAB will be our toughest opponent. They have the best QB in CUSA (Palmer included, IMO), and lost to Tennessee by a touchdown. The good thing is we have them in the Sun Bowl.

Tulsa (they beat us last year) is also looking strong.

In regards to Price, I believe he may be one of the exceptions. He's not the typical young, up-and-comer head coach. He's towards the end of his career, has his sons coaching with him, is treated like the King of El Paso, and doesn't have the type of pressure he felt at Alabama. He's also very grateful that UTEP took a chance on him when others (including Idaho) slammed the door in his face. As I said, he MAY leave, but it won't be for a paycheck.

I miss playing in the WAC, and wish you all well.

actually, billy barefield(our thrid string) was a three year starting QB at a school in san antonio. he moved to shreveport before his senior year and the coaches son was the starting QB. so he played everywhere else but QB. of those two years he started at QB, he won 2 state championships. granted he wasnt playing texas 5-A but it is still quite an acheivement.