chess Wrote:Well, if you remember Spurrier tried to get North Carolina to commit to a yearly game in Charlotte vs South Carolina (ala Georgia-Florida in Jacksonville).

UNC nixed this idea.

The games that should continue are

Maryland-West Virginia
Pittsburgh-Penn State
Nebraska-Oklahoma (should be played every year)
Georgia-Clemson
Miami-Florida
Cincinnati-Ohio State
NC State-East Carolina
Southern Miss-Ole Miss
Tulane-LSU
SMU-TCU

Cincy-Ohio State= yes
Miami-Florida=every other year
Georgia-Clemson= every other year
Penn State-Pittsburgh=yes
East Carolina-NC State=yes
Southern Miss-Ole Miss=don't know. Ole Miss isn't exactly the football power it used to be. Not even in the state. I would put Ole Miss on a level with the IU Hoosiers, because they are actually THAT bad!!! I'm not sure if Nutt can turn around that program or not, because it's been a coach's graveyard for a loooong time. Southern Miss vs Miss. State I can see.
West Virginia-Maryland=don't know. It seems like the programs are going in two different directions, and Maryland's had more of a basketball-first mentality anyway (see UNC-Tennessee). West Virginia-Marshall has been good, IMO, and I would like to see West Virginia-Virginia Tech return.
Nebraska-Oklahoma=yes, but the two schools are too darn stubborn to do it!!! The stubborness can be traced back to $$$$$'s.
Tulane-LSU=yes. They play each other in all other sports; why not football too?
TCU-SMU= yes. Great game.
Penn State-Syracuse= yes. great rivalry too.
Rutgers-Maryland= seems like a rivalry in the making. Makes sense too when you consider that DC has always wanted to be on par with NYC.
I'd also add the following games:
UCF-South Florida (l love those games. Natural rivalry) (yearly)
Ohio State-Texas (those were some great games!!) (yearly)
Rutgers-Temple (used to be a good game) (yearly)
Syracuse-BC (yearly)
TCU-Baylor (long history)
Louisiana Tech-Tulane
Maybe Penn State-West Virginia every other year or something.
Auburn-Georgia Tech
Miami vs either South Florida or UCF.
Memphis vs Cincy & Louisville
Louisville vs Tennessee
Alabama vs FSU (yearly)
Alabama vs Penn State (every other year)
Georgia vs Wisconsin (always seems to be a good game in the Outback. Now I want to see it on campus!!)

DawgNBama Wrote:Louisville vs Tennessee

That could be fun. However, within the last year they turned down an offer for a 1-1 with the first game in Knoxville, and a 1-1-1 with the first game in Knoxville, a later one in Louisville post-expansion, and 1 game in Nashville in the Coliseum with tickets split 50/50.

bitcruncher Wrote:

brista21 Wrote:The Memphis-Louisville-Cincinnati trifecta.
The Syracuse-UConn-Rutgers-BCU-Temple five-way battle of the northeast. (I'd love to see Maryland in this grouping as well for a six-way battle.)
The Pitt-Penn State-WVU-Syracuse four-way battle of the interior east.
The WVU-Maryland series.
The WVU-VT series.
The WVU-ECU series.
The USF-UCF series. (I know you USF guys want out but I'm telling you that will be a mistake.)
Cincy-tO$U series.
Nebraska-Oklahoma (It needs to be played annually, not skipping years.)

That's the one I really miss. THAT was the Lambert Trophy's true purpose. It's a hollow award now.

To be technically correct, though, you should have added BC to the battle. They were a part of it too.

Better yet a
Pitt-Penn State-WVU-Syracuse-BCU-Rutgers-UConn-USF-UL-Cincy
battle for the Big East and Lambert Trophy. If you were to do a 12 way battle it'd be Maryland and Temple too and we'd better play 9 conference games to do as little skipping as humanly possible. Its a rivalry game for every team every weekend in no time.

frogman Wrote:I'd love to see FB rivalries between:

Syracuse - Boston College/Temple (hopefully the CUSE can at least beat Temple)
WVU- VT
USF - Florida/Miami or FSU/UCF (UCF should join the BE for $$$ and 2x exposure sake although the USF fan's hate the idea)
UCONN - BC
CINCY- OSU (every other year. Cincy will run the state in about three years)
RUTGERS - MARYLAND (I think NY/DC is a natural hit even if RU is not really in NY and MD is not really in DC)

We have a five game series starting with UMiami let USF work with that.

ucIf would bring nothing ($$$) to the Big East. MT has stated many times that any "New" member must bring something ($$$) to the party and ucIf is not the answer.



That kind of says it all...... Mickey Mouse U

TyBull Wrote:

frogman Wrote:I'd love to see FB rivalries between:

Syracuse - Boston College/Temple (hopefully the CUSE can at least beat Temple)
WVU- VT
USF - Florida/Miami or FSU/UCF (UCF should join the BE for $$$ and 2x exposure sake although the USF fan's hate the idea)
UCONN - BC
CINCY- OSU (every other year. Cincy will run the state in about three years)
RUTGERS - MARYLAND (I think NY/DC is a natural hit even if RU is not really in NY and MD is not really in DC)

We have a five game series starting with UMiami let USF work with that.

ucIf would bring nothing ($$$) to the Big East. MT has stated many times that any "New" member must bring something ($$$) to the party and ucIf is not the answer.



That kind of says it all...... Mickey Mouse U

You're assuming. Please don't make me break down "assume" for you. You probably also think that Osama bin Laden is not a threat to the U.S. at all. Regardless, I just want to see the UCF-South Florida game continued. It's been good for both teams, even though you refuse to look it at that way. If UCF truly meant nothing to South Florida, they would schedule them for the occasional game a' la FAU or FIU and that would be the end of that.

The ONLY reason UCF-USF was scheduled for 4 years was because USF had to play a CUSA team as part of our exit fe from the conference and UCF was the team that wanted it most. Thats the reality and why after this year is over. Starting in 09 we have a 5 years series with UM and USf fans would much rather have that than playing UCF.

DawgNBama Wrote:

TyBull Wrote:

frogman Wrote:I'd love to see FB rivalries between:

Syracuse - Boston College/Temple (hopefully the CUSE can at least beat Temple)
WVU- VT
USF - Florida/Miami or FSU/UCF (UCF should join the BE for $$$ and 2x exposure sake although the USF fan's hate the idea)
UCONN - BC
CINCY- OSU (every other year. Cincy will run the state in about three years)
RUTGERS - MARYLAND (I think NY/DC is a natural hit even if RU is not really in NY and MD is not really in DC)

We have a five game series starting with UMiami let USF work with that.

ucIf would bring nothing ($$$) to the Big East. MT has stated many times that any "New" member must bring something ($$$) to the party and ucIf is not the answer.



That kind of says it all...... Mickey Mouse U

You're assuming. Please don't make me break down "assume" for you. You probably also think that Osama bin Laden is not a threat to the U.S. at all. Regardless, I just want to see the UCF-South Florida game continued. It's been good for both teams, even though you refuse to look it at that way. If UCF truly meant nothing to South Florida, they would schedule them for the occasional game a' la FAU or FIU and that would be the end of that.

i love other fans telling usf fans what usf should do. usf is already on record saying they're open to scheduling ucf occasionally a'la fau or fiu. and if ucf agrees to a 2 for 1 like those aformentioned schools usf would take it in a new york minute. absolutely no interest in a long term series, thank god.

I have been dying to know: Does "UCif" have some underlying meaning or is just a play on the word "if", like "if" they ever beat the Bulls?

BC and UConn definely. Buffalo and Syracuse should be rivals.
How about Army versus Syracuse or Maryland versus Navy?

MHSCard Wrote:

RealDeal Wrote:

frogman Wrote:CINCY- OSU (every other year. Cincy will run the state in about three years)

I like the way you think. It may take a little longer than three years to catch up on the century long head start they have on us playing big time football.

Kentucky didn't want to play UL every year in basketball and football but their government stepped in and made it happen. I don't think any reasonable UK fan would say they don't enjoy their rivalry with UL. Same thing should happen here but the state government would never make OSU do something they didn't want to.

Yeah but that only happened after the two met in the final four and Louisville won. Then there was a call from the Kentucky folks for revenge and then the government stepped in, basically OSU fans are going to have to want it over the objections of the school to get government help.

They actually met in the 1983 NCAA Regional Finals, UL won and then went to the FF. The basketball series would continue regardless, but if uk could opt out of the fball series they would. Why? uk has had the upper hand in the bball series, leading overall 26-13, but in fball they lead 11-9: having won the first 6 games back in the 1930's(or some such), UL has the upper hand since the series was restarted in 1994, leading 9-5. The kats are just poor losers (you may think, 'well who isn't?'), but when it comes to losing to UL, uk would rather lose to I-AA opponents. Come to think of it, they'd rather lose to D-2.

Cubanbull Wrote:The ONLY reason UCF-USF was scheduled for 4 years was because USF had to play a CUSA team as part of our exit fe from the conference and UCF was the team that wanted it most. Thats the reality and why after this year is over. Starting in 09 we have a 5 years series with UM and USf fans would much rather have that than playing UCF.

Usf loves it and UM fans are disgusted at their administration for scheduling it.

David Krysakowski Wrote:BC and UConn definely. Buffalo and Syracuse should be rivals.
How about Army versus Syracuse or Maryland versus Navy?

What is your basis on these statements? Clearly not much. BC and UConn have almost ZERO rivalry in football. Just because they are both located in New England and had a good basketball rivalry doesn't mean the teams should be football rivals OOC. Syracuse and Buffalo also doesn't make any sense. They have only played each other a handful of times and Western New York (Buffalo) and Central New York (Syracuse) are very different places. Trust me, it's not just "upstate". I also don't know what basis Army and Syracuse would have in terms of a rivalry?

I think David is saying those would be good games, but I never really know what he means. UConn-UMass has a long football history. So does Rhode Island-UConn. Did Penn State and Syracuse ever play for a trophey?

goodknightfl Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:The ONLY reason UCF-USF was scheduled for 4 years was because USF had to play a CUSA team as part of our exit fe from the conference and UCF was the team that wanted it most. Thats the reality and why after this year is over. Starting in 09 we have a 5 years series with UM and USf fans would much rather have that than playing UCF.

Usf loves it and UM fans are disgusted at their administration for scheduling it.

USF will play UCiF.... if UCiF wants to then sign a 2 @ USFv 1 @ UCiF with USF. If not then play someone else. A business decision. If UCiF wants a 1 for 1 and USF wants a 2 for 1 and no agreement can be reached, then I guess the series is over.

I agree... and to be honest am not one of those crying over it.

goodknightfl Wrote:I agree... and to be honest am not one of those crying over it.

Glad to hear that. So many UCf fans say the same thing and then contiually cry about the ending of it. Time to move on.
As for the UM-USF series. I can understand why UM fans wouldnt be happy about it. The reality is that USF gains more from it than UM. It is up to USF to win some of those games and become a yearly ranked team to make this series important for both.

USFMike Wrote:

DawgNBama Wrote:

TyBull Wrote:

frogman Wrote:I'd love to see FB rivalries between:

Syracuse - Boston College/Temple (hopefully the CUSE can at least beat Temple)
WVU- VT
USF - Florida/Miami or FSU/UCF (UCF should join the BE for $$$ and 2x exposure sake although the USF fan's hate the idea)
UCONN - BC
CINCY- OSU (every other year. Cincy will run the state in about three years)
RUTGERS - MARYLAND (I think NY/DC is a natural hit even if RU is not really in NY and MD is not really in DC)

We have a five game series starting with UMiami let USF work with that.

ucIf would bring nothing ($$$) to the Big East. MT has stated many times that any "New" member must bring something ($$$) to the party and ucIf is not the answer.



That kind of says it all...... Mickey Mouse U

You're assuming. Please don't make me break down "assume" for you. You probably also think that Osama bin Laden is not a threat to the U.S. at all. Regardless, I just want to see the UCF-South Florida game continued. It's been good for both teams, even though you refuse to look it at that way. If UCF truly meant nothing to South Florida, they would schedule them for the occasional game a' la FAU or FIU and that would be the end of that.

i love other fans telling usf fans what usf should do. usf is already on record saying they're open to scheduling ucf occasionally a'la fau or fiu. and if ucf agrees to a 2 for 1 like those aformentioned schools usf would take it in a new york minute. absolutely no interest in a long term series, thank god.

Well, already in this thread, a couple of posters were telling the occasional UGa fan who passes by here what UGa should do. Fair is fair, nes' pau? Anyway, I did not know that USF was open to scheduling UCF occasionally ala FAU or FIU. Thank you for this information.

USf fans are blinded by their hatred without realizing that that hatred is just what sports cashes in on.
Theres no way you can not see the $$$ in pitting Orlando and Tampa against each other each year inthe same conference.

Decisions are not made on these boards. I don't think the BE brass is going to overlook extending the BE footprint to two major cities in Florida instead of just one. Having thsoe cities feed off each other while doubling the BE's exposure in the state.

It sort of like Boston College adding Boston University to the ACC if BU moved up to divison one. BC fans are known for saying "It sucks to BU." But rivalries fuel passions and people leave their homes to see the team they love beat the team they hate.

I believe USF fans believe that UCF in a BCS conference will further dilute the talent available to USF. I think talent is diluted across the board in college football. There are no super giants any longer. Just ask Miami or FSU. Besides, I believe the BE can 1) double it's exposure in florida by adding UCF and 2) cash in right now on a natural rivalry.

I don't think the BE is going to wait around for USF win a national title by keeping UCF out of the mix. That may take 10 year or even 30 years to happen. what if USF has a down year? Why not have a second team in the state? I think it would be foolish to put the short-sighted interest of a few USF fans above the greater financial interest of the conference that acutally serves USF. It's obvious the Be wants to be in Florida. It's where we have been for years. If we have the opportunity to be a force in the state, with two teams, why settle for just one?

Stop living in the past. The series with Miami does not look to be worth what you thought it would be worth when you signed on to it. If you beat Miami- join the club. They finished under .500 this year. They sell out less than 50 percent of their arena. If Miami comes to USF do you really think fans will pay for seats. Maybe the first time. If you beat UM, do you think the fans will be back for games 2,3,4 and 5? Do you think Miami fans will come to USF when they don't even come to Miami games anymore. Your fans will pay to see you beat UCf no matter how bad UCf is. Rivalries are regional and nobody's closer to you than UCF.

I'm not saying to play UCF instead of Miami, Cuban Bull. I'm saying to play BOTH Miami and UCF. You've got plenty of OOC games (5 per year to be exact), and your conference strength is nowhere near that of the SEC, Big 12, or the ACC. Notice I said "conference strength."
The ACC is performing like crap in its BCS bowls, but you cannot say that the ACC is not a competitive conference. If Wake Forest can win it, pretty much any team with good players and a decent coach can win it because the top teams are beating each other up in conference, and this is a new phenomenon for the ACC. This is the way the SEC is, and the SEC is ranked ahead of the BE in conference strength. It is a virtual impossibility to go unbeaten in the SEC right now. If you think it can be done, Cuban Bull, have your president contact UGa president about switching places with UGa for 5 years. UGa would be #1 or #2 in most years if it played in the BE, IMO(there is the possibility that UGa could have really bad years in the BE, but I just don't see it with UGa having as much talent as it does). South Florida would be struggling to keep its head above water in the SEC, IMO.

DAWGNBAMA,
I love Georgia and I actually love the SEC. I agree with most of your post when you say the SEC is a power. End of season you have #1 LSU and #3 Georgia. WOW. Last year Florida showed poised and demolished OSU. The SEC is the real deal. That's why your management wants a playoff. They know it could come down to two SEC teams. That's why no one else wants a playoff- because it could come down to two SEC teams.

However, I can't believe you buy that crap about the ACC "beating each other up" and you say "this is the way the SEC is." Geographics aside, there's a world of difference between the SEC and the ACC. The ACC is not beating each other up. For years the ACC was dominated by FSU and now FSu has fallen off. The conference did not rise, its one team has fallen off. So they added Miami and VT and BC. Now Miami has fallen off, losing to just about everybody they play outside of conference. Miami got demolished by the same Oklahoma team WVU just beat. There is a downgrade of talent in the ACC and it has been consistent over a long time.

Take a closer look at the New BE. You are wrong when you say the BE's conference strength is nowhere near the ACC's. The BE finished this year beating three teams OOC that fnished the season ranked: OKL., Auburn and Oregon State. The ACC has not beaten one team OOC that finished the season ranked. Not one.

Against the SEC: The BE beat Auburn in Auburn and even beat Georgia In Georgia the last time Georgia was SEC champion. The ACC lost their BCS games during both those years and the previous five years before that.

I guess you are a southerner but take a closer look at the New BE.