GS has a radio show every week and callers call in and ask him questions pertaining to RU BE etc. Someone called in tonight and asked him about UCF joining the BE and he said while UCF has a good program he does not see it happening because USF would not allow it.

UltimateCFBfan Wrote:GS has a radio show every week and callers call in and ask him questions pertaining to RU BE etc. Someone called in tonight and asked him about UCF joining the BE and he said while UCF has a good program he does not see it happening because USF would not allow it.

I personally don't think the Big East will do anything until 2013 so probably a non-issue to begin with. The Fla state government wouldn't stand for South Florida blocking another state school if it comes to that.

First off USF will NOT have the final say on who gets in or not, but certaintly is in the BE best interest for the league to allow USF the time to establish itself.

Secondly IF the league decides taht adding UCF would hurt USF and thus not help the league then there is nothing the state legislature can do.

Im so sick of hearing the state will make USF play UCF, the state will force USF to vote for UCF admission to BE. Get over it win some damn games and IF UCF is the best addition theyll get in. If you dont win then youll be left out again.

Thank you Cuban.

The state will not be involved one bit. They have better things to worry about like the economy, housing, etc. You know real issues.

why does this always come up? If we can't win OOC games then we're never going to leave c-usa. If we can start to win some of these big games and a bcs conference thinks we could make them better then we'll get added - end of story.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

UltimateCFBfan Wrote:GS has a radio show every week and callers call in and ask him questions pertaining to RU BE etc. Someone called in tonight and asked him about UCF joining the BE and he said while UCF has a good program he does not see it happening because USF would not allow it.

I personally don't think the Big East will do anything until 2013 so probably a non-issue to begin with. The Fla state government wouldn't stand for South Florida blocking another state school if it comes to that.

I'm tired of reading this shiatt...the FL state govt does not need to/will not step in and force USF to play us or to get us in the Big East. Stop spewing this crap.

Maybe UCF should try and win a game vs a top 25 before they start thinking about joining a bcs conference.

Slow down USF...what's with the superiority complex?

Maybe you should work on beating Cincinnati before you worry about avoiding UCF for the likes of Miami and FSU.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

UltimateCFBfan Wrote:GS has a radio show every week and callers call in and ask him questions pertaining to RU BE etc. Someone called in tonight and asked him about UCF joining the BE and he said while UCF has a good program he does not see it happening because USF would not allow it.

I personally don't think the Big East will do anything until 2013 so probably a non-issue to begin with. The Fla state government wouldn't stand for South Florida blocking another state school if it comes to that.

First off, I don't think that the votes on these matters are made public. The Big East is NOT a state-run entity and thus is not subject to things like Sunshine laws.

However, IF (and notice I'm speaking in hypotheticals here) the Big East were going to expand and IF UCF were a candidate and IF USF was in fact opposed to the selection of UCF, there are ways for USF to give the impression of campaigning for UCF (even going so far as to vote for them in expansion) while quietly scuttling such an effort. If they had the buy in from their conference brethren, they could bring the issue to a vote, cast a vote "yes" with assurances that there were enough "no" votes out there that it wouldn't pass. A quid pro quo with somebody like, say West Virginia, who could then publicly do the same thing with Marshall, might be an example.

So, with that said, if Lee Constantine, who seems to be the only one in the Legislature deluded enough to try to abuse his power so that it helps the athletic programs at his alma mater, wants to stop getting DUI's long enough to force the issue, I suspect that it will be an exercise in futility.

Then again, maybe all UCF needs is for firmbizzle to write a few more letters on their behalf to the Orlando Chamber of Commerce. That should secure UCF with a BCS bid for sure!

USFFan

Awesome....these 2 school really hate each other. Good stuff.

UCFKnightfan08 Wrote:why does this always come up? If we can't win OOC games then we're never going to leave c-usa. If we can start to win some of these big games and a bcs conference thinks we could make them better then we'll get added - end of story.

HOLY SH!T!!! A UCF fan who actually sees the big picture?

Imagine that.

Cubanbull Wrote:First off USF will NOT have the final say on who gets in or not, but certaintly is in the BE best interest for the league to allow USF the time to establish itself.

Secondly IF the league decides taht adding UCF would hurt USF and thus not help the league then there is nothing the state legislature can do.

Im so sick of hearing the state will make USF play UCF, the state will force USF to vote for UCF admission to BE. Get over it win some damn games and IF UCF is the best addition theyll get in. If you dont win then youll be left out again.

I have to be with you on that one cuban.. I don't want the state involved.. though it wouldn't suprise me.. IE see Va tech/Va in the BE to the acc move.. or the forced FSU/UF matchup.. politicians do get involved.

UCFKnightfan08 Wrote:why does this always come up? If we can't win OOC games then we're never going to leave c-usa. If we can start to win some of these big games and a bcs conference thinks we could make them better then we'll get added - end of story.

All Hail UCFKnightfan08!

Someone must forgot, that USF could also abstante from the vote also. They could campaign against the expansion, and still not vote either. Not a dam thing the state of florida could do. There is a huge different between UCF vs VT, VT won a national championship and UCF none. Big Difference in this situation too.

gdayre Wrote:There is a huge different between UCF vs VT, VT won a national championship and UCF none. Big Difference in this situation too.

Not to quibble, but was I sleeping when Virginia Tech won a national championship? Or were you talking about some sport other than football.

USFFan

I've said all along, I imagine, Rutgers, UConn, WVU, Louisville, etc don't want to give UCF BCS status anymore than USF does because they all heavily recruit FL & it factors big for their program, & they have a clear advantage over them currently. Add them would just split the pie & water all those teams down. That's probably in the back of Schiano's mind as well as much as he recruits FL.

StillJonesing Wrote:I've said all along, I imagine, Rutgers, UConn, WVU, Louisville, etc don't want to give UCF BCS status anymore than USF does because they all heavily recruit FL & it factors big for their program, & they have a clear advantage over them currently. Add them would just split the pie & water all those teams down. That's probably in the back of Schiano's mind as well as much as he recruits FL.

Based on Gilyard's performance vs. OU, maybe UC should recruit FLA more.

StillJonesing Wrote:I've said all along, I imagine, Rutgers, UConn, WVU, Louisville, etc don't want to give UCF BCS status anymore than USF does because they all heavily recruit FL & it factors big for their program, & they have a clear advantage over them currently. Add them would just split the pie & water all those teams down. That's probably in the back of Schiano's mind as well as much as he recruits FL.

Actually RU is not recruiting Florida as heavily as we used to. Back then all the quality instate players would go out of state. So schiano would go down to florida since there is a lot of talent that the top Florida schools wouldnt offer. Now however we are getting all the players from NJ NY PA are and we aren't recruiting florida as much. We had only two recruits from fl in last years class

I bet he still doesn't want that option & to get the 5 or so to supplement it.

Let me add something to this thread.

1) The state government has every right to get involved and it does effect the economy of "FLORIDA" and it is a "STATE" school. We are the #6 largest school in the country, Tier 3, etc. We will be in a BCS conference soon, it just matters which one. Our athletic budget jumped from $8 million in 1998 to $35+ Million in 2008. What will it be in another 5 years? $80 million?

2) Recruiting Florida is a non-issue. Any conference would like more exposure down in Florida. UCF only helps that with our 50K enrollment and 4 ESPN games in 2008, plus CBS sports TV, plus CSS.

3) UCF has averaged mid 40K in attendance again. That puts us in the top half of the Big East attendance.