Just seems like only a greedy group of schools would want to make it harder to have a team make a title game.

(12-28-2008 10:03 PM)mlb Wrote:  You only say that because Duke doesn't play in bowl games. :)

and we would have even less a shot of getting into a tourney but that still doesnt mean that a tournanment is good!

Quote:Better yet, Boise plays Texas, and Alabama is still matched against Utah. That's what the matchups SHOULD be...

Disagree, we should have been playing Alabama in the Sugar Bowl with the outside chance of capturing the AP National Championship upon winning. Beating Boise State would have done nothing for us. True, the Big XII suffered a hit in prestige due to Boise State's fluke victory over OU 2 years ago. But really, is that what Texas wants to do? Avenging an embarrassing OU loss? :D

Quote:Despite all the crying about the BCS:
1) It is better than what we had previously. Now we at least have #1 against #2.
2) It benefits "non-BCS" teams more than they would have otherwise. Do you think Utah or Hawaii or Boise State would have made it to the caliber bowl game or get the caliber bowl payout they did in the BCS, if the BCS wasn't around? Answer: HELL NO.

I agree. :-) However, you're ruining the template around here about the BCS being an evil cartel. :-) Growing up in the 1970s and watching the major bowl games on New Year's Day, I always imagined my Longhorns playing in the Rose Bowl even though it was closed off back then to just two conferences. With the addition of the BCS, it made my dreams a reality. :-) If UT wins the Fiesta Bowl on January 5, they would have become only the 5th program ever to win all 5 major bowl games. Thanks BCS!!

Quote:...and I'll agree with you. With a 13-0 Auburn in '04 not getting any chance at the glass ball, that should show everyone. ....because they were one of the majors, not Utah, not BSU, but a MAJOR school, that went undefeated.

Auburn had played USC in the previous two seasons and lost both times including a double digit loss in Jordan-Hare. I really do not think that the BCS folks wanted to see another USC beatdown of Auburn. On the other hand, OU was a consensus #2 all year and has a deeper football tradition than Auburn. The choise was rather clear to me. It really didn't matter who USC played that year, the Trojans were the best team bar none. Again, I want to thank the BCS again for helping me to enjoy OU getting its ass kicked. :-)


I'm not really against the playoff as long as the BCS runs the whole affair and not the NCAA, aka "National Communists Against Athletes". After watching the NCAA screw up the 2004 College World Series, I have absolutely no interest in them running any type of football playoff . My playoff system entails just the Top Twelve Teams playing off at the end of the year. No auto bids at all in any form. If a team is ranked below 12th then they have no real business playing for the glass football at all.

(12-29-2008 12:56 PM)RC Horn Wrote:  Auburn had played USC in the previous two seasons and lost both times including a double digit loss in Jordan-Hare. I really do not think that the BCS folks wanted to see another USC beatdown of Auburn.

Yeah, and LSU won the NC last season and went 7-5 this season. What does that say about using a past season's performance dictate how you view a current team? You can't compare Auburn's 9-4 '02 season and their 8-5 '03 season with their 13-0 '04 season.

(12-28-2008 09:25 PM)mlb Wrote:  Why should the PAC 10 and Big 10 be dumb and start a championship game, Rebel? It seems it only would hurt their chances of a national championship. I personally think the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 are dumb for having their games. They are nothing but a money grab.

Championship games are stupid, but they are necessary as long as you have these 12 team conferences.

I say max out conferences at 10 and then make everyone play a 9 game conference, and 2 game OOC schedule. Then have a tournament were all the conference champs make it plus a few wildcard types. Add in some bowl games for the teams that don't make the playoff, and you have a decent but not perfect scenario.

(12-29-2008 03:37 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(12-28-2008 09:25 PM)mlb Wrote:  Why should the PAC 10 and Big 10 be dumb and start a championship game, Rebel? It seems it only would hurt their chances of a national championship. I personally think the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 are dumb for having their games. They are nothing but a money grab.

Championship games are stupid, but they are necessary as long as you have these 12 team conferences.

I say max out conferences at 10 and then make everyone play a 9 game conference, and 2 game OOC schedule. Then have a tournament were all the conference champs make it plus a few wildcard types. Add in some bowl games for the teams that don't make the playoff, and you have a decent but not perfect scenario.

I'm willing to give VT, Miami, and BC back if we can go back to the old round robin schedules!

I can't answer for the rest of the league, but I know that UC, UL, and USF fans are quite happy with the current set up. :)

The problem with the BCS is the guaranteed bid portion. If you are in the BIG 6 conferences you have nothing to worry about..... you are guaranteed a portion of those large BCS payouts, even if your team didn't get to a bowl that year.

Its second problem is that everything other than playing the game determines who number 1 and 2 are.

The third problem is SOS for everyone:
BCS plays non-BCS schools they get chided for playing noone
nBCS schools play BCS OOC they get losses which can't get them high enough in the rankings to get into the BCS ...and then...

nBCS schools get chided for not having a strong SOS when they really can't help what conference they are in and who will play them. Cause every year its like yeah the went 12-0.... 13-0... but they didn't play anyone so they are not good....


*I will say that ECU this year, had we kept our wins going probably wouldn't have been involved in talking heads degrading our SOS. Too bad we did have those loses.

(12-29-2008 09:57 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  *I will say that ECU this year, had we kept our wins going probably wouldn't have been involved in talking heads degrading our SOS. Too bad we did have those loses.

Chances are, if you would have gone undefeated this season, after playing 4 teams from a BCS conference, two of those ranked teams, you would have been playing in the BCS championship game. Being in a BCS conference can only get you so far and there's no way in hell the computers, coaches, people, tooth fairies, and anyone else, would have picked a 1-loss OU or a 1-loss UF over a 13-0 ECU who beat a then #17 VT and handily beat a #8 WVU.

(12-29-2008 10:40 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(12-29-2008 09:57 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  *I will say that ECU this year, had we kept our wins going probably wouldn't have been involved in talking heads degrading our SOS. Too bad we did have those loses.

Chances are, if you would have gone undefeated this season, after playing 4 teams from a BCS conference, two of those ranked teams, you would have been playing in the BCS championship game. Being in a BCS conference can only get you so far and there's no way in hell the computers, coaches, people, tooth fairies, and anyone else, would have picked a 1-loss OU or a 1-loss UF over a 13-0 ECU who beat a then #17 VT and handily beat a #8 WVU.

You would also have to say that in our favor too our conference schedule we played yielded quite a few bowl teams from CUSA.

(12-29-2008 10:40 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(12-29-2008 09:57 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  *I will say that ECU this year, had we kept our wins going probably wouldn't have been involved in talking heads degrading our SOS. Too bad we did have those loses.

Chances are, if you would have gone undefeated this season, after playing 4 teams from a BCS conference, two of those ranked teams, you would have been playing in the BCS championship game. Being in a BCS conference can only get you so far and there's no way in hell the computers, coaches, people, tooth fairies, and anyone else, would have picked a 1-loss OU or a 1-loss UF over a 13-0 ECU who beat a then #17 VT and handily beat a #8 WVU.

Please dont remind ECU fans of this!

(12-29-2008 11:26 PM)DgD3 Wrote:  

(12-29-2008 10:40 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(12-29-2008 09:57 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  *I will say that ECU this year, had we kept our wins going probably wouldn't have been involved in talking heads degrading our SOS. Too bad we did have those loses.

Chances are, if you would have gone undefeated this season, after playing 4 teams from a BCS conference, two of those ranked teams, you would have been playing in the BCS championship game. Being in a BCS conference can only get you so far and there's no way in hell the computers, coaches, people, tooth fairies, and anyone else, would have picked a 1-loss OU or a 1-loss UF over a 13-0 ECU who beat a then #17 VT and handily beat a #8 WVU.

Please dont remind ECU fans of this!

Hey, you had a damn good schedule. How many other non-BCS schools could say they would be in the NC if they went undefeated? If Ball State went undefeated, should they have been in the NC?

You guys did the right thing. You scheduled tough teams. An undefeated season for you would have meant ECU being in the NC. That's my opinion, but I don't see how anyone could counter it.

Had ECU been able to handle their success, they would have had a very good shot at the BCS National Championship game. But them's the breaks...

(12-30-2008 05:30 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Had ECU been able to handle their success, they would have had a very good shot at the BCS National Championship game. But them's the breaks...

Injuries and suspensions kind of killed the mo' after that inpromto NCSU loss But to regroup after that... and win our division AND our Conference championship on the road no less is still a stellar way to recover.

(12-30-2008 07:09 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Injuries and suspensions kind of killed the mo' after that inpromto NCSU loss

That's just the nature of the game, I'm afraid, and it happens to all of'em.

You are correct Reb but after a while it just got a little ridicarous

(12-30-2008 08:36 PM)DgD3 Wrote:  You are correct Reb but after a while it just got a little ridicarous

+1 but man.... we built a lot of depth for next year w/ all the new guys that stepped up early.

If anyone thinks a non-bcs team will play for the championship you are on crack. It will never be allowed. I don't care if say Fresno State won every game it played 40-0. It isn't going to happen under the current system.

It should be no less than a 16 team playoff with equal access to everyone and F the bowls. If they want some bowl games they could be the "NIT" of football. If the bowls went away tomorrow I would not lose one second of sleep.

Auburn? PLEASE Auburn played no one OOC and the SEC was down that year. They had no business playing for the Championship. You give a non-bcs school the same schedule top to bottom and that argument would be used against them.

The system WORKS for getting one and two. It does not work for the non-bcs schools. Period, end of story. Just go talk to a non-bcs AD. I have.

(12-31-2008 02:36 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  If anyone thinks a non-bcs team will play for the championship you are on crack. It will never be allowed. I don't care if say Fresno State won every game it played 40-0. It isn't going to happen under the current system.

Fresno State has never, ever played the schedule ECU played this year.

Funny you said something about Fresno's schedule because Pat Hill was interviewed about a year or so ago and he talked about literally going down the alphabet trying to get teams to play him and the difficulties in getting the big 6 to play them. To summerize he said they would love to play a tougher schedule but they can't force teams to play them. He even had a Pac 10 team and a Big 10 back out of games they already had scheduled. Again, I chalenge some of you to talk to some of the non-bcs coaches and ADs. I thhink your eyes would be opened.

Ok Rebel, If ECU played the same schedule they played this year and won every game 50-0 they would not get a sniff at the National Championship game.