(12-24-2008 03:28 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Yeah, and zero interest everywhere else.




I wanna see it though!

yeah that'd get some pretty bad ratings. not like giants/colts or giants/steelers. the NFL would love that

(12-23-2008 09:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-23-2008 06:27 PM)Terpy Wrote:  

(12-23-2008 06:10 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Playoff calibur teams are usually pretty good. That's why they're in the playoffs...

what exactly are you referring to?

What exactly don't you understand? It was clearly stated...

Nobody in this thread made a claim as to the playoff worthiness of any team.

(12-24-2008 04:35 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(12-24-2008 03:28 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Yeah, and zero interest everywhere else.




I wanna see it though!

yeah that'd get some pretty bad ratings. not like giants/colts or giants/steelers. the NFL would love that

It seems like I see people making claims like this every year and it flat aint true.

This aint the World Series or the NBA Finals EVERYONE watches the superbowl regardless of who is playing.

Its amazing how often people forget that, it is why football is king. I mean think about it, even in the regular season you may get stuck with a turfest of a game in your local market but if you are an NFL fan you may ***** and complain about getting stuck with the garbage matchup but you are still going to tune in and watch anyways.

(12-24-2008 05:19 PM)Terpy Wrote:  

(12-24-2008 04:35 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(12-24-2008 03:28 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Yeah, and zero interest everywhere else.




I wanna see it though!

yeah that'd get some pretty bad ratings. not like giants/colts or giants/steelers. the NFL would love that

It seems like I see people making claims like this every year and it flat aint true.

This aint the World Series or the NBA Finals EVERYONE watches the superbowl regardless of who is playing.

Its amazing how often people forget that, it is why football is king. I mean think about it, even in the regular season you may get stuck with a turfest of a game in your local market but if you are an NFL fan you may ***** and complain about getting stuck with the garbage matchup but you are still going to tune in and watch anyways.

+1

(12-24-2008 05:19 PM)Terpy Wrote:  

(12-24-2008 04:35 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(12-24-2008 03:28 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Yeah, and zero interest everywhere else.




I wanna see it though!

yeah that'd get some pretty bad ratings. not like giants/colts or giants/steelers. the NFL would love that

It seems like I see people making claims like this every year and it flat aint true.

This aint the World Series or the NBA Finals EVERYONE watches the superbowl regardless of who is playing.

Its amazing how often people forget that, it is why football is king. I mean think about it, even in the regular season you may get stuck with a turfest of a game in your local market but if you are an NFL fan you may ***** and complain about getting stuck with the garbage matchup but you are still going to tune in and watch anyways.

not true at all. i didn't even watch the seahawks/steelers SB and i know plenty of people who either did the same or turned it off at some point. the ratings for the last SB was over 10% higher than the aforementioned one.

You're right that the differences usually aren't huge (10% is basically the biggest difference), but there are differences nonetheless. The NFL's goal is for a global viewership of over 100 million (giants/pats drew 97.5) and they'll have a shot at that with Giants/Colts, but you're deluding yourself if you think a titans/panthers SB would come anywhere near that. The latter would probably get no higher than 90 mil.

I do agree though that the teams involved has more of a bearing on the WS and NBA finals than on the SB. nobody could disagree with that

you have no idea what you are talking about

according to this article the Steelers/Seahawks superbowl was the 2nd most watched tv program of all time

well obviously the nielsen ratings i looked at were wrong. of course the last SB got 7 million more viewers. so i think i still made my point.

you're right, it doesn't fluctuate as much as the other 2 real sports, but it can be influenced by the teams. no doubt in my mind. Plus, i'd like to know how many people turned off the seahawks SB. Those numbers are probably pretty interesting.

As the games have gotten more intriguing the viewership has gone up. Steelers got 90.7 million viewers, while the Colts got 93.2 and the Giants got over 97.

I guarantee a panthers/titans SB, would get a smaller viewership than giants/colts.

i do admit that i'm amazed the seahawks/steelers game got ratings that high. I just can't imagine why as many people would watch. Maybe i'm letting my personal opinions factor into it too much.

keep thinking that but you are wrong

There are a variety of reasons for it Im tired right now so i dont really want to go through it all right now but I can tomorrow if you really want me to.

(12-26-2008 01:47 AM)Terpy Wrote:  There are a variety of reasons for it Im tired right now so i dont really want to go through it all right now but I can tomorrow if you really want me to.

i do

For starters, there is no such thing as a small market in the NFL. Teams that are consistently bad are so because of poor management and ownership and not a lack of money. Some of the poorest NFL cities are also home to the most competitive franchises. Pittsburgh and Green Bay are examples. In your previous post you claimed that Pittsburgh and Seattle was a poor matchup for tv purposes, yeah Pittsburgh is a poor city but the Steelers are one of the most popular teams in the NFL with a national following that is probably second in the league only to the cowboys.

The NFL also has built in advantages that the other major sports do not. A shorter season with the majority of the games being played on Sunday makes it much easier to follow compared to the other major sports. As a result fans are familiar with every franchise, even newer teams like Carolina, Jacksonville and even Houston are teams even more casual fans recognize just because of the exposure that comes with the shorter schedule. Carolina and Jacksonville especially because they became playoff caliber teams just a few short years after they were created.

The third reason is simple, the superbowl is one game compared to 4-7 with the NBA, MLB and NHL. It is much easier for people to sit down and watch a championship if it is completed in a single night. The superbowl has become an event that is about so much more than just football. Until recently the games have usually been blowouts but most people still watch the entire thing even people who dont care at all about the football game.

(12-26-2008 01:05 PM)Terpy Wrote:  For starters, there is no such thing as a small market in the NFL. Teams that are consistently bad are so because of poor management and ownership and not a lack of money. Some of the poorest NFL cities are also home to the most competitive franchises. Pittsburgh and Green Bay are examples. In your previous post you claimed that Pittsburgh and Seattle was a poor matchup for tv purposes, yeah Pittsburgh is a poor city but the Steelers are one of the most popular teams in the NFL with a national following that is probably second in the league only to the cowboys.

i agree and disagree at the same time. First, maybe i misjudged the steelers SB, by forgetting how popular the steelers really are. I guess i just judged the seahawks. I do however, agree that teams are bad because of mismanagement. Nobody can disagree with that.

(12-26-2008 01:05 PM)Terpy Wrote:  The NFL also has built in advantages that the other major sports do not. A shorter season with the majority of the games being played on Sunday makes it much easier to follow compared to the other major sports. As a result fans are familiar with every franchise, even newer teams like Carolina, Jacksonville and even Houston are teams even more casual fans recognize just because of the exposure that comes with the shorter schedule. Carolina and Jacksonville especially because they became playoff caliber teams just a few short years after they were created.

I think you overestimate the casual fans. People in NC could really care less about the Panthers. Most Panthers fans don't even watch the games. I guess that's why i figured a Panthers SB wouldn't do that well. Living in NC for over 11 years, i've noticed that people don't care about the Panthers or the Hurricanes no matter how good they are. But once again, you're probably right, they would, more than likely, watch the SB, although they'd probably turn it off at some point during the game.

(12-26-2008 01:05 PM)Terpy Wrote:  The third reason is simple, the superbowl is one game compared to 4-7 with the NBA, MLB and NHL. It is much easier for people to sit down and watch a championship if it is completed in a single night. The superbowl has become an event that is about so much more than just football. Until recently the games have usually been blowouts but most people still watch the entire thing even people who dont care at all about the football game.

Probably. But i'd be surprised if the people who care a lot about football watch the whole thing if their team isn't in it. Once again, i'm probably using myself as an example, where i shouldn't be. It's just that i wouldn't watch a Titans/Panthers SB.

Overall, i'd be shocked if a SB with the latter two teams got higher ratings than a peyton/eli matchup. I think you'd see a lot more non-football fans, who recognize peyton (and the fact that they're brothers), watch the game than usual.

The Titans played in the best Super Bowl game ever, when their receiver came up short at the goal line as time expired against St. Louis. I think that should generate some interest in TRUE football fans...

(12-27-2008 11:21 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The Titans played in the best Super Bowl game ever, when their receiver came up short at the goal line as time expired against St. Louis. I think that should generate some interest in TRUE football fans...

what does that have to do with this year? are any of those Titans on this team? Hell, kevin dyson, eddie george and McNair aren't even in the league anymore. Same with Matthews and basically the rest of the team. I have no interest in watching a SB matchup of Collins vs. Delhomme. Although both running games are really talented.

(12-27-2008 10:42 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(12-27-2008 11:21 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The Titans played in the best Super Bowl game ever, when their receiver came up short at the goal line as time expired against St. Louis. I think that should generate some interest in TRUE football fans...

what does that have to do with this year? are any of those Titans on this team? Hell, kevin dyson, eddie george and McNair aren't even in the league anymore. Same with Matthews and basically the rest of the team. I have no interest in watching a SB matchup of Collins vs. Delhomme. Although both running games are really talented.

Hopefully you have noticed a trend. Very little that bitcruncher says is relevant or even makes sense.

Its probably easier just to ignore him.

(12-28-2008 12:05 AM)Terpy Wrote:  

(12-27-2008 10:42 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(12-27-2008 11:21 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The Titans played in the best Super Bowl game ever, when their receiver came up short at the goal line as time expired against St. Louis. I think that should generate some interest in TRUE football fans...

what does that have to do with this year? are any of those Titans on this team? Hell, kevin dyson, eddie george and McNair aren't even in the league anymore. Same with Matthews and basically the rest of the team. I have no interest in watching a SB matchup of Collins vs. Delhomme. Although both running games are really talented.

Hopefully you have noticed a trend. Very little that bitcruncher says is relevant or even makes sense.

Its probably easier just to ignore him.

yeah, i noticed it a few posts ago. I don't like ignoring people. I feel like the point of a message board is to talk with smart people and people with very little common sense and logic.

The most likely matchup, according to the record, is Giants-Titans. I figure a matchup between the teams with the 2 best records in the NFL would have some interest - even in NYC.

If that is an example of what you call not using logic and common sense, then you're a bunch of idiots...

(12-28-2008 01:16 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(12-28-2008 12:05 AM)Terpy Wrote:  

(12-27-2008 10:42 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(12-27-2008 11:21 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The Titans played in the best Super Bowl game ever, when their receiver came up short at the goal line as time expired against St. Louis. I think that should generate some interest in TRUE football fans...

what does that have to do with this year? are any of those Titans on this team? Hell, kevin dyson, eddie george and McNair aren't even in the league anymore. Same with Matthews and basically the rest of the team. I have no interest in watching a SB matchup of Collins vs. Delhomme. Although both running games are really talented.

Hopefully you have noticed a trend. Very little that bitcruncher says is relevant or even makes sense.

Its probably easier just to ignore him.

yeah, i noticed it a few posts ago. I don't like ignoring people. I feel like the point of a message board is to talk with smart people and people with very little common sense and logic.

Well I didnt really mean to use the ignore function, more just pretend that it didnt happen and move on.

(12-28-2008 09:15 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The most likely matchup, according to the record, is Giants-Titans. I figure a matchup between the teams with the 2 best records in the NFL would have some interest - even in NYC.

If that is an example of what you call not using logic and common sense, then you're a bunch of idiots...

Now this is actually a logical (even if wrong) statement.