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(02-26-2009 01:07 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Were it not for a blocked kick and a kickoff return, Memphis would have beaten Louisville last Fall. The Tigers totally dominated UofL in nearly every statistic. Now, consider what the outcome would have been if Memphis had the same recruiting advantages in BCS perception and resources which UofL has enjoyed since joining the Big East. Untie the other hand and we can compete in the Big East in all sports.

BCS inclusion does not make up for the fact that we have Kragthorpe as our coach. Hell, Robinson was 2-0 against Krags and I don't think there is/was a worse head coach in football than him. 03-lmfao
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(02-26-2009 01:16 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 01:11 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 12:47 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The truth will come out in the tourney.

Ask UCLA, Michigan State and Texas if it came out last year.

Different season, different team.

Of course it is (we lost 3 NBA players from that team), but the situation is the same in that the nation pooh-poohs our tournament chances because of the conference we play in. Ask Gonzaga what they think about this year's team compared to last.
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Memphis was a #1 seed last year and few were pooh-poohing their chances of going all the way. Memphis earned respect despite playing in an awful conference.
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(02-26-2009 01:07 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 12:51 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  As for football, let's not kid ourselves. They would not have sniffed a bowl as a Big East member from the day Williams left for the Carolina Panthers.

Were it not for a blocked kick and a kickoff return, Memphis would have beaten Louisville last Fall. The Tigers totally dominated UofL in nearly every statistic. Now, consider what the outcome would have been if Memphis had the same recruiting advantages in BCS perception and resources which UofL has enjoyed since joining the Big East. Untie the other hand and we can compete in the Big East in all sports.

Let's look at the bottomline. UofL won AT Memphis. Then we finished 1-6 in the Big East. And Memphis has only gone bowling recently by beating I-AA's and the bottom of CUSA, which is HORRIBLE. As I was saying...
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I don't think you have to be in a big conference to be a very good basketball team. UC, UL, and Memphis showed it in C-USA. If you have the right coach you can do anything thanks to the NCAA basketball tourney.

So, that being said, I don't see Calipari's recruiting getting significantly better by joining the Big East.
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Memphis actually beat good teams last year. This year they lost to 3 of the 4 good teams they played.
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What Memphis fans are claiming Memphis is snubbed if they don't get a #1 seed?

All the Memphis fans on the Memphis boards are counting on a #2 or #3 at this point. The fact is, Memphis could get a #1 seed if they win out, and several other teams above them really tank it the rest of the way. But that would be a #1 seed by attrition, not because Memphis really has a #1 seed resume.

Again, what Memphis fans are you talking to?
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(02-26-2009 12:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I'm guessing they would be around 12-6 when done. Thoughts?

I don't think a question like this can really be definitively answered for two reasons. First, the games aren't decided on the court meaning that the entire process is subjective and based on fan opinion. I've watched a lot of basketball this year but my opinion on how good Memphis would be versus the rest of the Big East is really no more valid than someone else's opinion. I can present a few facts to back up my argument, but at the end of the day, my argument is still primarily based around my own opinion. Second, how well a team does in the conference depends a lot on the schedule they receive. If Memphis had to played Pitt/UConn twice and then a team like Marquette or Villanova twice, they would do worse (IMO) than if they got a schedule where they played Villanova twice and then two middle tier teams.

With the above disclaimer in place, I'll give you my opinion on how well Memphis would do this year. Let's consider a few pieces of information I think are relevant to the discussion.

Memphis was 2-2 against the Big East this season.
- They won at Seton Hall (11th in conference) by a score of 84-70
- They lost at Georgetown (12th in conference) in OT 79-70
- They lost to Syracuse (8th in conference) at home 72-65
- They won at UC (9th in BE) by a score of 60-45

Memphis has an RPI of 8 (would rank 4th in the Big East) and a SOS of 47 (would rank 12th in the Big East). Memphis is 24-3 so far this year.

Based on the above information, I would guess that Memphis would fall into the Villanova-Marquette-West Virginia group and would finish between 4th and 7th. If I had to be more precise, I would guess that they would fall right between Marquette/Villanova and WVU to finish 6th in the conference.
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(02-26-2009 01:58 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  What Memphis fans are claiming Memphis is snubbed if they don't get a #1 seed?

All the Memphis fans on the Memphis boards are counting on a #2 or #3 at this point. The fact is, Memphis could get a #1 seed if they win out, and several other teams above them really tank it the rest of the way. But that would be a #1 seed by attrition, not because Memphis really has a #1 seed resume.

Again, what Memphis fans are you talking to?

Bambu, TigerBill have both battled me over this...
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To answer the original question, I think going by the RPI is the best we have to go on. It is supposed to account for the differences in schedule strengths. Here is a blogger's opinion:

http://ncaabasketball.fanhouse.com/2009/...his-blues/
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(02-26-2009 02:44 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  To answer the original question, I think going by the RPI is the best we have to go on. It is supposed to account for the differences in schedule strengths. Here is a blogger's opinion:

http://ncaabasketball.fanhouse.com/2009/...his-blues/

The rpi also ranks the acc and the Big 10 ahead of the BE. Is there any doubt that the BE would come out with more wins over the Acc if they played against the top 12 teams of the BE? The same with the Big 10
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I don't know what those RPI numbers mean, but they don't show the true strength of a conference. BE bottom feeders must really dragging the conference RPI down.

That being said, I think Memphis is an improving team and would finish somewhere between 10-8 to 13-5. I think 12-6 is about right. They would be battling teams like Nova, Cuse and WVU for mid-tier positions.

Easy schedule in CUSA certainly benefited them. I mean year after year we see mid-majors with 28-3 records going to the NCAA only to be beat by middle of the road teams from top conferences. Memphis is better than middle of the road and Cal is doing a great job recruiting at Memphis, but his team record would be A LOT worse if they played in the BE this year.
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What you guys aren't considering is Memphis would fatten up on cupcakes OOC like the other Big 6 teams do if they were in the Big East. They'd lose more Conference games true, but less OOC. Because of playing in CUSA, Memphis typically has to run through a pretty brutal OOC to make up for the low RPI in their conference.
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memphis football should be doing better in CUSA. They should had been able to win a few championships by now
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Unfortunately, the SEC owns football in Memphis.
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(02-26-2009 04:26 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Unfortunately, the SEC owns football in Memphis.

True, but that will end when we too have the BCS badge. Perceptions are crucial in college athletics. And to all who think Memphis enjoys great advantages in C-USA, we will be glad to discuss swapping places.
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(02-26-2009 02:21 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 01:58 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  What Memphis fans are claiming Memphis is snubbed if they don't get a #1 seed?

All the Memphis fans on the Memphis boards are counting on a #2 or #3 at this point. The fact is, Memphis could get a #1 seed if they win out, and several other teams above them really tank it the rest of the way. But that would be a #1 seed by attrition, not because Memphis really has a #1 seed resume.

Again, what Memphis fans are you talking to?

Bambu, TigerBill have both battled me over this...

One statement that a 3 seed is ridiculous for a 3 loss(top 5) team is a battle? Again, I'll ask you, what's "Cuse's best win this year? Because
it's absurd for you to tear us down and then point to us as a good win.

We're going to get our seeds, whether you so called "real" teams like
it or not. So why battle?

Like I said, it's just as easy for me to say there's no way in Hell Syracuse
could have pulled off a near 4 year undefeated streak if they we're in CUSA.

Neither of us know, so I'm not going to argue something that really doesn't matter to me.

You guys want to know how we'd do in the Big East?

Invite us.
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(02-26-2009 12:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 12:30 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 12:12 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  I think Memphis would be one of the BE schools getting an NCAA Tournament bid most years (and that is what really matters). I also think we would be one of the schools going to bowls most years. I short, I think we could pull our own weight.

I dont know about the bowl part. Right now Memphis really needs to work on improving their football program. There is no reason that they shouldnt be winning CUSA football titles. The Memphis football team that played in the St Pete Bowl would have finished 8th or 9th in our league this year. ahead of only maybe the cuse.


You must mean Louisville, because Louisville actually finished last in the BE last year, and not Syracuse. And even that wouldnt be true, because Louisville beat Memphis at Memphis. To put it short, Memphis lost to the last place BE team at home, and were dismantled by the 7th place BE team. There is no proof that they would have beaten SU.

Guys, it's not fair to speculate like that ... 05-nono. As Coach Cal would say, "It is what it is." If you really want to know how the Univ. of Memphis would do in the Big East, why don't you convince your conference to invite them ... 04-cheers?

Otherwise, all you're doing is HATIN. Kinda reminds me of a certain BCS Bowl that took place earlier this year. I wonder what fans were saying about the outcome of that game, before it was played ... 05-stirthepot.
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PLEASE invite us to the BE to give us a chance to find out. That is the ONLY way to answer this argument that comes up each year. Last year the same question was asked several times from BE and SEC schools and look where we finished. Ask us to join you and we shall see....Please...
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