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What Would Be Memphis' Record in the Big East?
I'm guessing they would be around 12-6 when done. Thoughts?
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(02-26-2009 12:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I'm guessing they would be around 12-6 when done. Thoughts?

About right, Memphis=Syracuse.
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A lot of it would depend on who they played 2 times, and where the remaining conference games are located. If they catch a favorable home schedule, 12-6 is possible. If they get a heavy road slate, it could be 10-8 or so...
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I think Memphis would be one of the BE schools getting an NCAA Tournament bid most years (and that is what really matters). I also think we would be one of the schools going to bowls most years. I short, I think we could pull our own weight.
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(02-26-2009 12:12 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  I think Memphis would be one of the BE schools getting an NCAA Tournament bid most years (and that is what really matters). I also think we would be one of the schools going to bowls most years. I short, I think we could pull our own weight.

Memphis would not have gone to bowls with the teams they have had the last couple of seasons, if Memphis played in the BE. But with the talent that is in Tenn and Miss., and being in a bcs conference, I think that in no time Memphis would be able to get the players to be bowl eligible most years playing in the BE. However, I am not sure that Tommy West would be the coach to get you there.

As far as bb goes, I think Memphis would be no better than 10-8 this season.
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(02-26-2009 12:12 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  I think Memphis would be one of the BE schools getting an NCAA Tournament bid most years (and that is what really matters). I also think we would be one of the schools going to bowls most years. I short, I think we could pull our own weight.

I dont know about the bowl part. Right now Memphis really needs to work on improving their football program. There is no reason that they shouldnt be winning CUSA football titles. The Memphis football team that played in the St Pete Bowl would have finished 8th or 9th in our league this year. ahead of only maybe the cuse.
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(02-26-2009 12:30 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 12:12 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  I think Memphis would be one of the BE schools getting an NCAA Tournament bid most years (and that is what really matters). I also think we would be one of the schools going to bowls most years. I short, I think we could pull our own weight.

I dont know about the bowl part. Right now Memphis really needs to work on improving their football program. There is no reason that they shouldnt be winning CUSA football titles. The Memphis football team that played in the St Pete Bowl would have finished 8th or 9th in our league this year. ahead of only maybe the cuse.


You must mean Louisville, because Louisville actually finished last in the BE last year, and not Syracuse. And even that wouldnt be true, because Louisville beat Memphis at Memphis. To put it short, Memphis lost to the last place BE team at home, and were dismantled by the 7th place BE team. There is no proof that they would have beaten SU.
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(02-26-2009 12:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I'm guessing they would be around 12-6 when done. Thoughts?

I asked this because most of the Memphis fans feel anything less than a #1 seed is a snub...I see a team who lost two games to Two Middle of the Road Big East teams and then fattened up on CUSA dreck.

It isn't Memphis' fault: they play the teams that are scheduled...And they do play a challenging NonConf Schedule but I see them as a 2 or 3 seed even with just 3 losses.

Realistically if they were in the Big East they would be playing for 4th to 8th place.
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The truth will come out in the tourney.
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(02-26-2009 12:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 12:30 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 12:12 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  I think Memphis would be one of the BE schools getting an NCAA Tournament bid most years (and that is what really matters). I also think we would be one of the schools going to bowls most years. I short, I think we could pull our own weight.

I dont know about the bowl part. Right now Memphis really needs to work on improving their football program. There is no reason that they shouldnt be winning CUSA football titles. The Memphis football team that played in the St Pete Bowl would have finished 8th or 9th in our league this year. ahead of only maybe the cuse.


You must mean Louisville, because Louisville actually finished last in the BE last year, and not Syracuse. And even that wouldnt be true, because Louisville beat Memphis at Memphis. To put it short, Memphis lost to the last place BE team at home, and were dismantled by the 7th place BE team. There is no proof that they would have beaten SU.

Actually 6th place BE team
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RE: What Would Be Memphis' Record in the Big East?
I'm possibly surprising any Memphis fans on the board that saw my comment earlier in the week stating that I wouldn't likely give Memphis a 1 seed, even if they won out. That was due to their record against the Top 50. I actually think that the Tigers would finish above Syracuse, even though they lost at home to the Orange and lost at GTown.

December is a different animal than February/March. If they played now, Memphis would beat GTown easily. Syracuse would be a good game, but I'd pick the Tigers on a neutral floor. I think they are more consistent with their defense and would be better than 8-7 in the league.

We can't know for sure without the games being played, but I'd put the Tigers in for something in the range of 13-5 or so. I don't think they'd win the league, but I think they'd be right in the mix currently for a double bye. That said, the committee can't seed based on opinions that Memphis would beat GTown if they played currently. The fact is that Memphis is .500 against the top 50, and most of the wins are against teams outside the Top 25.

As for football, let's not kid ourselves. They would not have sniffed a bowl as a Big East member from the day Williams left for the Carolina Panthers.
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(02-26-2009 12:51 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I'm possibly surprising any Memphis fans on the board that saw my comment earlier in the week stating that I wouldn't likely give Memphis a 1 seed, even if they won out. That was due to their record against the Top 50. I actually think that the Tigers would finish above Syracuse, even though they lost at home to the Orange and lost at GTown.

December is a different animal than February/March. If they played now, Memphis would beat GTown easily. Syracuse would be a good game, but I'd pick the Tigers on a neutral floor. I think they are more consistent with their defense and would be better than 8-7 in the league.

We can't know for sure without the games being played, but I'd put the Tigers in for something in the range of 13-5 or so. I don't think they'd win the league, but I think they'd be right in the mix currently for a double bye. That said, the committee can't seed based on opinions that Memphis would beat GTown if they played currently. The fact is that Memphis is .500 against the top 50, and most of the wins are against teams outside the Top 25.

As for football, let's not kid ourselves. They would not have sniffed a bowl as a Big East member from the day Williams left for the Carolina Panthers.

So what you are saying they would be 2 or 3 seed? 03-lmfao
It would be hard to say how they would do against Syracuse...depends how injured Syracuse is...we have been short of healthy players since mid Dec. We beat Memphis with Devo out and Flynn less than 100%. I think Memphis is better since Dec (with Tyreke ascending). I figure the home team would win with Memphis taking a neutral game.

Bottomline: I'd love to see them on the schedule every year.
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(02-26-2009 12:51 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I'm possibly surprising any Memphis fans on the board that saw my comment earlier in the week stating that I wouldn't likely give Memphis a 1 seed, even if they won out. That was due to their record against the Top 50. I actually think that the Tigers would finish above Syracuse, even though they lost at home to the Orange and lost at GTown.

December is a different animal than February/March. If they played now, Memphis would beat GTown easily. Syracuse would be a good game, but I'd pick the Tigers on a neutral floor. I think they are more consistent with their defense and would be better than 8-7 in the league.

We can't know for sure without the games being played, but I'd put the Tigers in for something in the range of 13-5 or so.


Based on what, the defense looking better against cusa teams? A good team going up against a BE schedule can daunting and mentally draining. That is what is wrong with a young SU team. Its tough to stay focused night in and night out in this league and keep winning, unless you are a great team. The BE has maybe 3 great teams and a bunch of good teams. Memphis is kind of young too, and they are also a good team, but I think that they would experience the same problems that SU is seeing right now. I think that Syracuse and about 7 or 8 other teams could be undefeated in Cusa right now?
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(02-26-2009 12:51 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  As for football, let's not kid ourselves. They would not have sniffed a bowl as a Big East member from the day Williams left for the Carolina Panthers.

Were it not for a blocked kick and a kickoff return, Memphis would have beaten Louisville last Fall. The Tigers totally dominated UofL in nearly every statistic. Now, consider what the outcome would have been if Memphis had the same recruiting advantages in BCS perception and resources which UofL has enjoyed since joining the Big East. Untie the other hand and we can compete in the Big East in all sports.
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I think Calipari's recruiting would only IMPROVE if he has the Big East Membership/Conf play to use as even a BIGGER carrot (i.e. besides his "NBA" background).

If Memphis was invited to join the Big East in Hoops....Calipari might go on a recruiting streak all over the Northeast...and possibly "clean up".

Right now Calipari gets a lot of good talent...even though over half of Memphis games are played vs CUSA teams (while the league overall has improved this year...its obviously not like the big East...but I think 7-9 teams in CUSA this year might have given teams in the SEC quite a battle.)

Calipari/Memphis is in a Catch-22...as long as Memphis is a member in CUSA...Calipari for now on most likely will have a #1 or #2 seed in the tourney each and every year.

In the big East?? Might get the same (i.e. will have better players on his roster) but then again...maybe not...and might end up with a #4-#6 seeds some year.

If your Calipari...what would YOU want?

Big Fish in a small pond that will almost ALWAYS get a very high seed...or became a very good fish in a HUGE pond (big East)...which might allow you to still get a high seed and/or due to much tougher competition night in and night out...might knock you down seed-wise come tourney time?
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(02-26-2009 12:49 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 12:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 12:30 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 12:12 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  I think Memphis would be one of the BE schools getting an NCAA Tournament bid most years (and that is what really matters). I also think we would be one of the schools going to bowls most years. I short, I think we could pull our own weight.

I dont know about the bowl part. Right now Memphis really needs to work on improving their football program. There is no reason that they shouldnt be winning CUSA football titles. The Memphis football team that played in the St Pete Bowl would have finished 8th or 9th in our league this year. ahead of only maybe the cuse.


You must mean Louisville, because Louisville actually finished last in the BE last year, and not Syracuse. And even that wouldnt be true, because Louisville beat Memphis at Memphis. To put it short, Memphis lost to the last place BE team at home, and were dismantled by the 7th place BE team. There is no proof that they would have beaten SU.

Actually 6th place BE team

You're right, SU was 7th.
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(02-26-2009 12:47 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The truth will come out in the tourney.

Ask UCLA, Michigan State and Texas if it came out last year.
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(02-26-2009 01:09 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  If your Calipari...what would YOU want?

Big Fish in a small pond that will almost ALWAYS get a very high seed...or became a very good fish in a HUGE pond (big East)...which might allow you to still get a high seed and/or do to much tougher competition night in and night out...might knock you down seed-wise come tourney time?

Cal made it clear years ago, when he publicly advised "do what is best for football - Memphis basketball will be fine either way". The man understands that it is football which governs big-time college athletics. Too bad Big East leadership does not.
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(02-26-2009 01:11 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(02-26-2009 12:47 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The truth will come out in the tourney.

Ask UCLA, Michigan State and Texas if it came out last year.

Different season, different team. By that logic Kansas would be the favorite to win the tournament this year.
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(02-26-2009 01:09 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  I think Calipari's recruiting would only IMPROVE if he has the Big East Membership/Conf play to use as even a BIGGER carrot (i.e. besides his "NBA" background).

If Memphis was invited to join the Big East in Hoops....Calipari might go on a recruiting streak all over the Northeast...and possibly "clean up".

Right now Calipari gets a lot of good talent...even though over half of Memphis games are played vs CUSA teams (while the league overall has improved this year...its obviously not like the big East...but I think 7-9 teams in CUSA this year might have given teams in the SEC quite a battle.)

Calipari/Memphis is in a Catch-22...as long as Memphis is a member in CUSA...Calipari for now on most likely will have a #1 or #2 seed in the tourney each and every year.

In the big East?? Might get the same (i.e. will have better players on his roster) but then again...maybe not...and might end up with a #4-#6 seeds some year.

If your Calipari...what would YOU want?

Big Fish in a small pond that will almost ALWAYS get a very high seed...or became a very good fish in a HUGE pond (big East)...which might allow you to still get a high seed and/or due to much tougher competition night in and night out...might knock you down seed-wise come tourney time?

I think Coach Cal would rather be playing on ESPN/ABC/CBS just about everynight. And bringing his boys into: The best arenas around the eastern half of the USA.
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