I don't really ever see southern miss getting into the big east unless the whole thing blows up + i think uab would get in before them, mystery school is probably houston

(04-14-2010 09:46 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-14-2010 09:08 AM)animus Wrote:  I wonder if he's talking about "The U"

If he meant UCF, wouldn't that have been covered by the C*USA remark? Seems to me that by saying C*USA and Florida, he must be referring to Florida schools that are not in C*USA.

Didn't Jurich mention BC and Miami not too long ago? I don't think those schools are on their way to "save" the Big East anytime soon. But it seems like at least BC rumors has been a slight murmer since August.

(04-14-2010 09:58 AM)animus Wrote:  

(04-14-2010 09:46 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-14-2010 09:08 AM)animus Wrote:  I wonder if he's talking about "The U"

If he meant UCF, wouldn't that have been covered by the C*USA remark? Seems to me that by saying C*USA and Florida, he must be referring to Florida schools that are not in C*USA.

Didn't Jurich mention BC and Miami not too long ago? I don't think those schools are on their way to "save" the Big East anytime soon. But it seems like at least BC rumors has been a slight murmer since August.

I honestly could see them coming back if Notre Dame is our only casualty and we split off and form our own conference. However, I'd imagine Miami would want FSU to come along which I doubt anyone's opposed to. I'm sure we can find an adequate 12th member in that case.

(04-14-2010 09:17 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(04-14-2010 07:36 AM)Lloyd64 Wrote:  This tidbit from a poster on Louisville's Scout site.

Jurich said as a matter of fact that the Big Ten is seeking expansion. Their number one target is Notre Dame, followed by Pitt and Rutgers....."I've gone on the offensive, and we are trying to get out in front of this thing.....we will look to Florida and possibly CUSA for replacements."
Jurich

Just read that on ITV. Hopefully they land ND and we move on with our lives. If I'm any of the southern 4 or Syracuse and UConn I'm doing what I can to assist Notre Dame in packing their bags.

I also assume that UCF is who Jurich was talking about but the way he phrased "Florida and possibly CUSA" makes it open for all sorts of interpretation.

Syracuse & UConn can help the most by promisingg Notre Dame games in the Northeast to give them the exposure they so want. They would get some playing Pitt and Penn State. If I am the Big East, I would promise them a game in the Giants new Stadium against one of those two on a regular basis.

Not sure this adds much, other than to reinforce that the BE will likely look to C-USA.

The "Florida" comment is interesting. I agree with those who say UCF would be included in C-USA, so not sure what he meant by that particular part.

It's not UF. I suppose in my wildest imagination, it could mean FSU or Miami, but highly unlikely, and again, the ACC would simply replace by taking another BE team, so the BE gains nothing.

The most logical guess would be Florida I or A.

(04-14-2010 09:58 AM)animus Wrote:  

(04-14-2010 09:46 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-14-2010 09:08 AM)animus Wrote:  I wonder if he's talking about "The U"

If he meant UCF, wouldn't that have been covered by the C*USA remark? Seems to me that by saying C*USA and Florida, he must be referring to Florida schools that are not in C*USA.

Didn't Jurich mention BC and Miami not too long ago? I don't think those schools are on their way to "save" the Big East anytime soon. But it seems like at least BC rumors has been a slight murmer since August.

This is what was stated:

"A faction of Presidents within the Big East wish to get to 9 FB teams immediately and have their tentative sights on 2 ACC teams"

I think it's a pipedream by a few but I doubt it happens.

(04-14-2010 08:30 AM)bluesox Wrote:  hard to see fl at/int getting a whiff from the big east, i would think some texas school's might be in the mix for the big east before them. As for the big 10, no Missouri or Syracuse?

Not surprised about the lack of a mention of Mizzou - I've said it before and I'll say it again, they are the most consistently overrated expansion candidate for the Big Ten. Their academics are arguably slightly worse than Nebraska (who is a true national football power). In terms of demographics, Illinois already delivers the St. Louis market to the Big Ten, so they'd really only be adding the Kansas City market (which would be delivered better by Kansas, a true national basketball power). Note that when Mizzou keeps complaining about the Big XII revenue distribution that's based on TV appearances, they're basically admitting that no one wants to put them on TV. When Mizzou's main value to the Big Ten would theoretically come from TV households, that's not exactly persuasive. If the Big Ten takes a Big XII school, the national brand name will mean more than the demographics (where if that's all they cared about, this would solely be an Eastern expansion), which points to Nebraska as being the most likely Big Ten target from that conference.

Definitely do NOT discount Syracuse, though. A multi-school expansion that doesn't involve Texas almost mandates that the Big Ten locks down the NY/NJ area, which would virtually have to include Syracuse.

There is simply no way that Pitt would make the Big Ten more athletic money if it's just the 12th member in a 12-school league, which means that if Pitt is involved, you're going to see more than one BE school make a move. If the Big Ten invites Pitt, it will be because they are too good of an academic fit to pass up as part of a multi-school expansion. If Pitt was located ANYWHERE other than Western Pennsylvania, it would be a logical addition based on overall athletic and academic strength, so maybe the Big Ten looks past the lack of a new TV market based on that criteria. It will take a guaranteed delivery of the NYC market to compensate for that, however.

There has been one thing that the Big Ten has been fairly consistent on: expansion is absolutely positively going to have to make more money for the conference members. No one is taking a pay cut, so the new schools need to be bringing a ton of value. The conference isn't expanding for the sake of expanding.

I'm doubting it is just Notre Dame-that would cause the least conference shuffling. I believe it involve more than Notre Dame simply because our (Miami OH) AD and Assistant AD are hosting a breakfast on April 20th in Cincinnati which includes a speaking engangement and one of the topics is the Big Ten expansion and what that means to Miami. If only Notre Dame was the one going to the Big Ten, that wouldn't have any affect on Miami whatsover in my opinion.

The Big East taking UCF would be quite a diss to USF....as if they need another BCS school to recruit against in the state of Florida.

(04-14-2010 11:01 AM)mpurdy22 Wrote:  I'm doubting it is just Notre Dame-that would cause the least conference shuffling. I believe it involve more than Notre Dame simply because our (Miami OH) AD and Assistant AD are hosting a breakfast on April 20th in Cincinnati which includes a speaking engangement and one of the topics is the Big Ten expansion and what that means to Miami. If only Notre Dame was the one going to the Big Ten, that wouldn't have any affect on Miami whatsover in my opinion.

Miami (OH) is a lock for the big 10. Write it down!

(04-14-2010 11:13 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(04-14-2010 11:01 AM)mpurdy22 Wrote:  I'm doubting it is just Notre Dame-that would cause the least conference shuffling. I believe it involve more than Notre Dame simply because our (Miami OH) AD and Assistant AD are hosting a breakfast on April 20th in Cincinnati which includes a speaking engangement and one of the topics is the Big Ten expansion and what that means to Miami. If only Notre Dame was the one going to the Big Ten, that wouldn't have any affect on Miami whatsover in my opinion.

Miami (OH) is a lock for the big 10. Write it down!

I hope you're being sarcastic, because he wasn't implying that. Obviously if the Big East lose 2 or 3 or 4 teams there will be a massive shift in how the college football landscape looks especially east of the Rockies.

Very Interesting comments.

The main thing here will be what the ACC, SEC, PAC-10 (and even Big XII) do if the Big Ten goes past 12 members. I think 12 is a good number, however if you look at scheduling football cross-divisional games, 14 may actually work better.

I think the Big East will be fine if the Big Ten goes to 12. No problems.

If they go to 14, the could recover but will look much different most likely.

If they go to 16, the Big East (football) will be gone, and possibly the Big XII as well. The Big Ten going to 16 may kill college conferences as we know them. I do however, have a hard time seeing the Pac-10 willing to jump to 16, but I could see them going to 12 easily, and possibly 14.

So lets think about this logically for a minute. Assume that if the realignment happens, there will be a split.

If the Big Ten goes to 12 teams (only taking ND) then the Big East will live on (possibly adding 1-4 teams). The ACC and SEC will stand pat, and the Big XII will replace and recover from any that the Pac-10 takes from them (ala, Colorado). No Big Shift with this scenario, short of the Big East possibly going to 12 teams. Which teams can be an entirely different debate.

If the Big Ten goes 14, and 2 BE football members are targeted (say it is Pitt and Rutgers), then yes the Big East may recover from this, but now sits at 6 members. The kicker is the ACC and SEC here. And we all know the pecking order there. If either of these 2 conferences decide to also go to 14 (the SEC will not be left behind), then they will get there pick of who they want. Maybe they go for some ACC teams (Clemson, GT). Maybe they go for Texas and Tex A&M. Maybe they go after Arkansas for the West and Clemson for the East. Whatever the case the ACC will be filling in from there and will most likely go after WVU, Syracuse, UofL, UConn as most likely first choices. All depends on how many they need to take. If it is 2, the BE is now down to 4 members.

But is still recoverable. Those remaining 4 will need to add 4 or 5 new to get to at least 8-9 members, and possibly create the whole new league right away, and add 8 new members getting to 12. Probable merger of CUSA East members (UCF, ECU, Memphis, Marshall), as well as Temple. Maybe Army and Navy.

If the Big Ten goes to 16, forget about it, its over.

I'm hoping for the 12 team models, but think we will eventually end up in the 14 ones. I could take that. But 16 will be bad for the conferences IMO, and will hurt the CFB landscape tremendously. Lets hope that 12 or 14 is all that happens.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=17&f=2759&t=5847080

Here is the original thread. One thing to keep in mind is that the OP has 11 posts total on ITV (by no means a regular on the UofL board). Post count isn't always a good indicator of whether someone is reliable or not, but I've seen way way way too many 10-20 post "Cardinal" fans show up, post a "rumor" about something, and then disappear into the woodwork.

I agree that if the B10 goes to 16, the football BE is in big trouble. Anything below that is survivable, assuming the BE only loses two football teams.

However, I'm not convinced all conferences will move to 16, even if the B10 does. Just as we have different numbers of conference members now, that could still be the case, just most conferences with more members than before.

The miami(oh) AD probably just wants to raise $ + he played for BO at UM so he has an interest in the subject...as for numbers, i think 12 is the best but 14 works with a 6-1-1 format. I don't think 16 works without going to 10 conf games but maybe that's happens with 14 + i don't want to spend the time figuring out how the numbers works with schedule, ie the reason MLB has 16 in one league and 14 in the other is they would need to play a cross over game every day to even the divisions- i think. OF course, i'd like to see MLB go to geographic divisions but that's another subject that probably will never happen.

The way I read it, they will look to Florida (UCF) if they lose one team, and then CUSA (Memphis/ECU) if they lose additional teams. It's beginning to look like a foregone conclusion that we will lose one team (whether it be Notre Dame or a football member).

Although Memphis is a popular choice on here, I'm not sure they are a lock even if we were to lose two teams. Consider the following scenario:

Big Ten adds Notre Dame or Rutgers, stops at 12. Pac 10 adds Colorado and Utah, Big 12 responds by adding Louisville. At that point, the Big East is down two teams. UCF is in, but the second spot is much harder with Louisville leaving. Memphis has the basketball edge, but I think that ECU would have to be given the football edge. If Louisville leaves, Memphis is an even greater outlier in regards to geography, and they've lost their greatest supporter and potential rival. West Virginia is probably partial to East Carolina, and I'm guessing a few others are as well. If Louisville stays, I think the second choice is Memphis, but if the Cardinals are gone, I think it opens things up.

It is also possible Jurich meant "look to CUSA" to mean, "form a new conference with the CUSA East schools", in the event that the doomsday scenario of three or more schools leaving the conference occurs.

(04-14-2010 11:44 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The miami(oh) AD probably just wants to raise $ + he played for BO at UM so he has an interest in the subject

B10 expansion could easily impact Miami (OH) and the MAC. Doesn't the B10 have a OOC scheduling agreement with the MAC? More conference games could mean less OOC opportunities with the MAC.

(04-14-2010 11:11 AM)ecu92 Wrote:  The Big East taking UCF would be quite a diss to USF....as if they need another BCS school to recruit against in the state of Florida.

That's like saying the ACC picking up Miami was a dis to FSU.

(04-14-2010 11:51 AM)1badbird Wrote:  

(04-14-2010 11:44 AM)bluesox Wrote:  The miami(oh) AD probably just wants to raise $ + he played for BO at UM so he has an interest in the subject

B10 expansion could easily impact Miami (OH) and the MAC. Doesn't the B10 have a OOC scheduling agreement with the MAC? More conference games could mean less OOC opportunities with the MAC.

Another thing that would be very important to Miami is if a Big Ten Hockey Conference is ever formed. As of now, Miami is considered to be a very good national hockey program in the CCHA, which also has Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State and Notre Dame as members. If all 4 of those schools leave for a new Big Ten hockey conference, then the CCHA is in big trouble. The CCHA as presently composed has allowed Miami to actually consider itself to be a peer with the Big Ten schools in the sport of hockey, but that could be gone in Big Ten expansion.

(04-14-2010 11:11 AM)ecu92 Wrote:  The Big East taking UCF would be quite a diss to USF....as if they need another BCS school to recruit against in the state of Florida.

We already recruit the same players as them. Check out rivals sometime. A lot of their recruits have UCF offers and vice versa.