Quote:Daisy Khan showed a brief Power Point presentation that said, among other things, that the Islamic Center would help non-Muslims to integrate.

Seriously? Wake up!

(05-28-2010 03:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Property rights or not, would they allow the building that MLK was shot from to be purchased by the Klan and used as the national headquarters?

I understand this is a emotional issue with people...but...should that emotion override one of the principles that America was founded upon?...Private property rights.

I don't think "they" should have any say in what a person does with someone else's private property as long as they are not harming others. I really am not concerned with "they" I am concerned with the property rights of the owner.

The problem is that people somehow feel obligated to stick their noses into affairs that they legally have no control over...and we have a government that allows it. Private property is just that....Private property..politics be damned.

I would think it to be a stupid move...but..if the owner allows a mosque to be built...then..It is none of my affair. He is the one that will have to live with the consequences of that decision.

Quote:Daisy Khan showed a brief Power Point presentation that said, among other things, that the Islamic Center would help non-Muslims to integrate.

And that point there should be exhibit #1 to the legions of clueless dolts in our country. Accidently letting slip what their real aims are.

I don't hate Muslims. I only hate fundamental morons like Roberta. I recognize our true enemy, the radical extremist Muslims.

Here are some accounts of these NY community meetings, from Pamela Geller, who tricked them into letting her speak (they thought she was a supporter).

The Fix Was In: 911 mega mosque community board farce, board votes yes for mega mosque

Read up on this Imam and his wife in this second piece. Check what they've said in the past and what they are saying now, for American (NY) public consumption.

911 mega mosque imam - I don't believe in religious dialogue - cue up the daisy khan lies

Anybody who thinks this will not be portrayed as a victory in Islamist societies is clueless enough to work for this administration.

(05-28-2010 08:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 03:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Property rights or not, would they allow the building that MLK was shot from to be purchased by the Klan and used as the national headquarters?

I understand this is a emotional issue with people...but...should that emotion override one of the principles that America was founded upon?...Private property rights.

And this is the only argument that could convince me to just let it go. However, there is this additional issue:

They're at war with us. We're in a war, whether we accept it or not. And even the founding fathers saw private property rights trumped for the sake of war.

I wonder how many construction delays and accidental fires will break out on this job? The same union guys who built the WTC and then carted off its pieces will be asked to do this job. I wouldn't be surprised to see the mafia somehow get involved, well, we already know they'll be involved if the job includes paint, cement, plumbing, dumpsters, dump trucks, carpenters, etc.

(05-28-2010 08:46 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 08:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 03:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Property rights or not, would they allow the building that MLK was shot from to be purchased by the Klan and used as the national headquarters?

I understand this is a emotional issue with people...but...should that emotion override one of the principles that America was founded upon?...Private property rights.

And this is the only argument that could convince me to just let it go. However, there is this additional issue:

They're at war with us. We're in a war, whether we accept it or not. And even the founding fathers saw private property rights trumped for the sake of war.

I get your point..but..Is this what the founders would consider a war?...We will of course never know.

You know what I find interesting?....In the reporting of this story and all the subsequent comments...There is not a single mention of the what the owner of the property thinks about all this..or..any consideration of his or her's property rights. I find this staggering. From what I am gathering...the owner of this property now has NO control over it's destiny. If that is not wrong..then..we might as well just lay down and die as total slaves to the state.

(05-28-2010 01:51 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 01:12 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I hate ... I hate ... I hate ... I hate ...

Robert in a nutshell.

But I LOVE Rice Krispy Alums.

(05-28-2010 03:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  the more I think about it....... the more I like it................ Hell Do a "Lost" church at the site.......................

I am guessing you noticed all the symbols in the window at the church on "Lost".

(05-28-2010 10:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 08:46 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 08:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 03:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Property rights or not, would they allow the building that MLK was shot from to be purchased by the Klan and used as the national headquarters?

I understand this is a emotional issue with people...but...should that emotion override one of the principles that America was founded upon?...Private property rights.

And this is the only argument that could convince me to just let it go. However, there is this additional issue:

They're at war with us. We're in a war, whether we accept it or not. And even the founding fathers saw private property rights trumped for the sake of war.

I get your point..but..Is this what the founders would consider a war?...We will of course never know.

You know what I find interesting?....In the reporting of this story and all the subsequent comments...There is not a single mention of the what the owner of the property thinks about all this..or..any consideration of his or her's property rights. I find this staggering. From what I am gathering...the owner of this property now has NO control over it's destiny. If that is not wrong..then..we might as well just lay down and die as total slaves to the state.

I think it's the Islamic group that owns it.

(05-29-2010 09:06 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  I think it's the Islamic group that owns it.

Sounds like a good reason for eminent domain to be evoked. Put up a pork BBQ stand.

(05-29-2010 09:23 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(05-29-2010 09:06 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  I think it's the Islamic group that owns it.

Sounds like a good reason for eminent domain to be evoked. Put up a pork BBQ stand.

Why don't you shove your head up your ass so we don't have to listen to your stupidity anymore?

What, none of your typical "racist" and "hate" bs?

The race for stupidity is between you and Mach and amazingly, I have to say Mach has taken a strong lead for now. But I'm sure your not going to concede the race.

(05-29-2010 09:06 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 10:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 08:46 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 08:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 03:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Property rights or not, would they allow the building that MLK was shot from to be purchased by the Klan and used as the national headquarters?

I understand this is a emotional issue with people...but...should that emotion override one of the principles that America was founded upon?...Private property rights.

And this is the only argument that could convince me to just let it go. However, there is this additional issue:

They're at war with us. We're in a war, whether we accept it or not. And even the founding fathers saw private property rights trumped for the sake of war.

I get your point..but..Is this what the founders would consider a war?...We will of course never know.

You know what I find interesting?....In the reporting of this story and all the subsequent comments...There is not a single mention of the what the owner of the property thinks about all this..or..any consideration of his or her's property rights. I find this staggering. From what I am gathering...the owner of this property now has NO control over it's destiny. If that is not wrong..then..we might as well just lay down and die as total slaves to the state.

I think it's the Islamic group that owns it.

If so...Then unless it goes against zoning codes...It is their prerogative as to what they decide to build there. It will be interesting to see if those in power use the force of government to stop them. I predict they will.

(05-28-2010 03:42 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Guys, Guys, Guys, Guys, Guys


It's a great message, they didn't conquer shite...... and we show out of hate comes tolerance............................ It's Zen like.

You are such a moron.

(05-28-2010 03:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  the more I think about it....... the more I like it................ Hell Do a "Lost" church at the site.......................

Wow...just one upped the stupidity.

I will sign up for building a mosque at ground zero the day after they bulldoze down the Dome of the Rock and let the Jews build their temple.

(05-29-2010 08:47 PM)blah Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 03:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  the more I think about it....... the more I like it................ Hell Do a "Lost" church at the site.......................

Wow...just one upped the stupidity.

I will sign up for building a mosque at ground zero the day after they bulldoze down the Dome of the Rock and let the Jews build their temple.

So what you are saying is you want eternal war and killing versus peace? Typical.

(05-29-2010 09:05 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-29-2010 08:47 PM)blah Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 03:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  the more I think about it....... the more I like it................ Hell Do a "Lost" church at the site.......................

Wow...just one upped the stupidity.

I will sign up for building a mosque at ground zero the day after they bulldoze down the Dome of the Rock and let the Jews build their temple.

So what you are saying is you want eternal war and killing versus peace? Typical.

Rob, who started all this crap in the first place and won't let it end? How many non-Muslim people walk around wearing suicide vests? We can either fight them or be slaughtered by them. Everyone here knows where I stand.

(05-29-2010 09:05 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-29-2010 08:47 PM)blah Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 03:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  the more I think about it....... the more I like it................ Hell Do a "Lost" church at the site.......................

Wow...just one upped the stupidity.

I will sign up for building a mosque at ground zero the day after they bulldoze down the Dome of the Rock and let the Jews build their temple.

So what you are saying is you want eternal war and killing versus peace? Typical.

Like I said, you have no intention of giving up the race. Mach still leads but your giving it your all little fellow.

(05-29-2010 09:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(05-29-2010 09:05 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(05-29-2010 08:47 PM)blah Wrote:  

(05-28-2010 03:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  the more I think about it....... the more I like it................ Hell Do a "Lost" church at the site.......................

Wow...just one upped the stupidity.

I will sign up for building a mosque at ground zero the day after they bulldoze down the Dome of the Rock and let the Jews build their temple.

So what you are saying is you want eternal war and killing versus peace? Typical.

Rob, who started all this crap in the first place and won't let it end? How many non-Muslim people walk around wearing suicide vests? We can either fight them or be slaughtered by them. Everyone here knows where I stand.

Yes we do your stand. You LOVE killing(as long as you don't have to do it). As for who started this crap, everyone deserves some blame. People like you allow it to continue.

(05-29-2010 09:27 PM)RobertN Wrote:  As for who started this crap, everyone deserves some blame. People like you allow it to continue.

Muhammad and everyone who follows his commands, and they alone, deserve all the blame, dumb ass. If you want to take some of the blame, speak for yourself. No one else here wants to join in your propaganda 'sept Mach and JOwl. The rest of us aren't gay for Islam.