georgia_tech_swagger
[b' Wrote:  c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics[/b]

Thinking something is wrong is not, in and of itself, irrational or hostile..

I think homosexuality is wrong, and I have my reasons (rational). Despite my belief I do not act in a hostile fashion towards homosexuals...

(09-21-2010 01:46 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

You're describing atheists here, right?

(09-21-2010 01:56 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 01:46 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

You're describing atheists here, right?

I would argue there's a very good reason to at least be wary of organized religion.

(09-21-2010 01:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 01:56 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 01:46 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

You're describing atheists here, right?

I would argue there's a very good reason to at least be wary of organized religion.

Given the history of the USSR there is also a reason to fear Atheist...

(09-21-2010 02:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Given the history of the USSR there is also a reason to fear Atheist...

Really want to start comparing? I assure you my well runs far far deeper.

(09-21-2010 02:22 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 02:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Given the history of the USSR there is also a reason to fear Atheist...

Really want to start comparing? I assure you my well runs far far deeper.

How many people have died at the hands of, not just the USSR, but Communism?

(09-21-2010 02:22 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 02:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Given the history of the USSR there is also a reason to fear Atheist...

Really want to start comparing? I assure you my well runs far far deeper.

Let's look at the past 100 years... Still feel so safe?

Stalin killed 14 Million

Hitler 20 Million (despite his public persona it's well documented that he as at best agnostic and probably an atheist), if you question that you can break down and read Hitler's Table Talk (best read in the German if you're able).

Mao 40 Million who was foind of quoting someone (marx?) as saying Religion is the opiet of the people.

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I am not saying that Atheist are any more likely to be violent than those who believe in a deity but there is certainly evidence that they are equally capable of it. So the common Atheistic mantra of 'religion is more likely to be violent' is bunk.

(09-21-2010 01:46 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 11:09 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 10:58 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-19-2010 01:49 AM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  I'm sick of being classified as a bigot because I think homosexuality is wrong,

Now time for the important distinction that is lost on so many...

Do you merely THINK it is wrong, or do you wish to IMPOSE that it is wrong by, for instance, making it illegal for gays to marry.

The first is opinion. The second is prejudice.

BZZZT!

Fail again GTS. Who's preventing homosexuals to marry? They have exactly the same rights as heterosexuals. So where is your "prejudice" (incorrect word choice)?

REALLY?! Try doing it in just about any state. Even California.

I can't, 1. I'm not gay. 2. I'm already married.

Neverthless, there is nothing preventing a homosexual from getting married under the identical conditions as a heterosexual. In any state.

(09-21-2010 03:31 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 01:46 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 11:09 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 10:58 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-19-2010 01:49 AM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  I'm sick of being classified as a bigot because I think homosexuality is wrong,

Now time for the important distinction that is lost on so many...

Do you merely THINK it is wrong, or do you wish to IMPOSE that it is wrong by, for instance, making it illegal for gays to marry.

The first is opinion. The second is prejudice.

BZZZT!

Fail again GTS. Who's preventing homosexuals to marry? They have exactly the same rights as heterosexuals. So where is your "prejudice" (incorrect word choice)?

REALLY?! Try doing it in just about any state. Even California.

I can't, 1. I'm not gay. 2. I'm already married.

Neverthless, there is nothing preventing a homosexual from getting married under the identical conditions as a heterosexual. In any state.

Do explain. I await the word twisting and/or gotcha.

(09-21-2010 03:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 02:22 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 02:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Given the history of the USSR there is also a reason to fear Atheist...

Really want to start comparing? I assure you my well runs far far deeper.

Let's look at the past 100 years... Still feel so safe?

Stalin killed 14 Million

Hitler 20 Million (despite his public persona it's well documented that he as at best agnostic and probably an atheist), if you question that you can break down and read Hitler's Table Talk (best read in the German if you're able).

Mao 40 Million who was foind of quoting someone (marx?) as saying Religion is the opiet of the people.

--

I am not saying that Atheist are any more likely to be violent than those who believe in a deity but there is certainly evidence that they are equally capable of it. So the common Atheistic mantra of 'religion is more likely to be violent' is bunk.

First ... lol @ last 100 years. Why be so constraining? :) Is there something you'd care to admit? And even being STUNNINGLY generous, yes, I still feel just fine 'n dandy about the last 100. But your restriction in and of itself demonstrates my point. As though magically in the last 100 years organized religion has really undergone some magical reformation? Even operating under the premise that religious bloodshed is less than atheist (which it isn't), the fundamental principles on which organized religion operates hasn't changed.

(09-21-2010 03:23 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 02:22 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 02:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Given the history of the USSR there is also a reason to fear Atheist...

Really want to start comparing? I assure you my well runs far far deeper.

How many people have died at the hands of, not just the USSR, but Communism?

... he says as though communism were somehow married to atheism ...

(09-21-2010 09:50 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 03:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 02:22 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 02:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Given the history of the USSR there is also a reason to fear Atheist...

Really want to start comparing? I assure you my well runs far far deeper.

Let's look at the past 100 years... Still feel so safe?

Stalin killed 14 Million

Hitler 20 Million (despite his public persona it's well documented that he as at best agnostic and probably an atheist), if you question that you can break down and read Hitler's Table Talk (best read in the German if you're able).

Mao 40 Million who was foind of quoting someone (marx?) as saying Religion is the opiet of the people.

--

I am not saying that Atheist are any more likely to be violent than those who believe in a deity but there is certainly evidence that they are equally capable of it. So the common Atheistic mantra of 'religion is more likely to be violent' is bunk.

First ... lol @ last 100 years. Why be so constraining? :) Is there something you'd care to admit? And even being STUNNINGLY generous, yes, I still feel just fine 'n dandy about the last 100. But your restriction in and of itself demonstrates my point. As though magically in the last 100 years organized religion has really undergone some magical reformation? Even operating under the premise that religious bloodshed is less than atheist (which it isn't), the fundamental principles on which organized religion operates hasn't changed.

100 years represents the rise in non religious governments, but we can go back to 200 years if you like. If you insist on going back to a time when there were no governmnets that were secular you kind of bias the sample..

My only point is that Athiest in power are just as dangerous as religious men in power..

(09-21-2010 09:47 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Do explain. I await the word twisting and/or gotcha.

There is no "gotcha". I can't explain it any more simply. There are no laws re: marriage that don't apply equally (identically actually) to hetero- and homosexuals.

If you think that's not true, then it's to you to explain.

(09-21-2010 09:52 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 03:23 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 02:22 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 02:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Given the history of the USSR there is also a reason to fear Atheist...

Really want to start comparing? I assure you my well runs far far deeper.

How many people have died at the hands of, not just the USSR, but Communism?

... he says as though communism were somehow married to atheism ...

It's not that communism is tied to atheism, but rather that atheism has no morality. And it's the atheists who are saying that. (We covered that when you were AWOL from this thread for several days).

So, an atheist has no restriction to do whatever he/she wishes. There is no moral "good" for an atheist. That's why aTxTiger's comment didn't really make sense to me.

(09-22-2010 07:18 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  100 years represents the rise in non religious governments, but we can go back to 200 years if you like. If you insist on going back to a time when there were no governmnets that were secular you kind of bias the sample..

My only point is that Athiest in power are just as dangerous as religious men in power..

There is always the danger of absolute power corrupting absolutely. However, I would argue atheist/secular governments are far less likely to be oppressive or strongly centralized in nature. This is because organized religion fosters a non-questioning obedience to a central authority figure. I mean the absence of discourse is to the point of the absurd. Discussion of the Noah's Ark taken literally should be followed by a lengthy "How in the world can you believe that?!" discussion. And if it's not taken literally, you've pretty much conceded that man is placing himself as though he were the word/mouth of God in organized religion (though not as brash and ballsy as having a Pope, I'll admit). But noooo ... the sheeple sit ... and they do not question. As soon as I hit the age of reason I stopped going because I was questioning. My skepticism grew to rejection. My rejection lead to a philosophic search. My philosophic search found Dawkins. Dawkins neatly tidied up the spots of uncertainty I had.

(09-22-2010 07:47 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 09:47 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Do explain. I await the word twisting and/or gotcha.

There is no "gotcha". I can't explain it any more simply. There are no laws re: marriage that don't apply equally (identically actually) to hetero- and homosexuals.

If you think that's not true, then it's to you to explain.

http://marriage.about.com/cs/marriagelic...excomp.htm

(09-22-2010 08:55 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  There is always the danger of absolute power corrupting absolutely. However, I would argue atheist/secular governments are far less likely to be oppressive or strongly centralized in nature.

...and your argument would be wrong. The most dangerous and oppressive governments in history have been secular to the point of atheism. Look to ANY Communist regime and you'll find one that, not only ostracizes religion and the theory of "God", but one that has been known to execute any believers in the faith as they compete with the government. I won't argue that many have been killed using organized religion as a reason, but to simply say atheism and secularism isn't as prone to be violent as organized religion is simply naive when there are boatloads of pages of history that discount those claims.

(09-22-2010 07:50 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 09:52 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 03:23 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 02:22 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 02:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Given the history of the USSR there is also a reason to fear Atheist...

Really want to start comparing? I assure you my well runs far far deeper.

How many people have died at the hands of, not just the USSR, but Communism?

... he says as though communism were somehow married to atheism ...

It's not that communism is tied to atheism, but rather that atheism has no morality. And it's the atheists who are saying that. (We covered that when you were AWOL from this thread for several days).

So, an atheist has no restriction to do whatever he/she wishes. There is no moral "good" for an atheist. That's why aTxTiger's comment didn't really make sense to me.

You are completely right. There is no moral good for us godless idiots. Hey GTS, I have a murdering party this weekend....wanna come over and kill you some children. Afterwards, we can oppress some Christians and rape us some German Shepards.

GTS....Steff is an interesting fellow. I particularly like his views on the violence of the state and governments in general. I will say though...that FDR(freedomainradio) and its rabid followers are almost cultlike in their belief systems. Much of it is due to Steff's theories.

Interesting topic IMO.

Why is Macro-evolution amoral with respect to human behavior?

(09-22-2010 08:55 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  http://marriage.about.com/cs/marriagelic...excomp.htm

There's nothing on that list that contradicts what I said.

You're making a logical fallacy GTS, you are trying to change the discussion toward validating "same-sex marriage".

I'm pointing out the indisputable fact that the current laws are being applied equally (once again, better than equally).