(11-11-2010 02:58 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(11-11-2010 02:25 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-11-2010 02:23 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(11-11-2010 02:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  #2 If all they need is ECU success then why dont we just add the Pirates?

Short answer: TV.

Really? I guess you have missed all the posts by Neil showing that the Big east network is ALREADY being shown in orlando by Brighthouse Networks. So what TV are you referring to.

Look man, I'm just in here chatting. I have no idea why so many of you cop this high school debate team attitude like you've somehow robbed me of my manhood by pointing out an alleged discrepancy in one of my statements. Sheeesh...

Anyway, I think it's a fair assumption that despite it already being on in Orlando, a helluva lot MORE people in Orlando will care and thus watch if UCF is involved. And since Orlando's population seems to double every five days, it would help with TV to include them. Just being on is only half the battle. Getting people to watch is where the real money is.

LOL. relax guy. The REALITY is that NONE of us on these boards will decide who will be added. If you think UCF should be added that is fine with me. I have stated many times that they are a good candidate, just not at this moment, it is MY opinion.
I gave you information on why I feel that way and tried to answer your points.
If I offended you by my tone, then I apologize, i was not trying to be a smart a$$. Is no surprise that at UL is your basketball coach that has no problem with ading UCF, but not a peep from your football coach.
I think you would be surprise to find out that USF is NOT the only one that has reservations on adding UCF at this time, and Ill bet that UL, Rutgers and West Virginia have some also.

(11-11-2010 03:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. relax guy. The REALITY is that NONE of us on these boards will decide who will be added. If you think UCF should be added that is fine with me. I have stated many times that they are a good candidate, just not at this moment, it is MY opinion.
I gave you information on why I feel that way and tried to answer your points.
If I offended you by my tone, then I apologize, i was not trying to be a smart a$$. Is no surprise that at UL is your basketball coach that has no problem with ading UCF, but not a peep from your football coach.
I think you would be surprise to find out that USF is NOT the only one that has reservations on adding UCF at this time, and Ill bet that UL, Rutgers and West Virginia have some also.

Lol, Maybe I'm a little on edge due to other unnamed posters. I don't know.

My only desire is first and foremost to strengthen the conference to the point that it's BCS credentials stop being an annual issue. And I realize the UCF isn't a singular solution to that problem. It's no skin off my azz if they don't get in. I mean, if my team wins the conference, I want it to mean something. The better the conference, the more meaningful the victory.

Anyway, just taken in isolation, I don't think UCF being in the conference will hurt USF anymore than Cincinnati being in the conference hurts Louisville. But it makes for a fun discussion.

(11-11-2010 04:33 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(11-11-2010 03:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. relax guy. The REALITY is that NONE of us on these boards will decide who will be added. If you think UCF should be added that is fine with me. I have stated many times that they are a good candidate, just not at this moment, it is MY opinion.
I gave you information on why I feel that way and tried to answer your points.
If I offended you by my tone, then I apologize, i was not trying to be a smart a$$. Is no surprise that at UL is your basketball coach that has no problem with ading UCF, but not a peep from your football coach.
I think you would be surprise to find out that USF is NOT the only one that has reservations on adding UCF at this time, and Ill bet that UL, Rutgers and West Virginia have some also.

Lol, Maybe I'm a little on edge due to other unnamed posters. I don't know.

My only desire is first and foremost to strengthen the conference to the point that it's BCS credentials stop being an annual issue. And I realize the UCF isn't a singular solution to that problem. It's no skin off my azz if they don't get in. I mean, if my team wins the conference, I want it to mean something. The better the conference, the more meaningful the victory.

Anyway, just taken in isolation, I don't think UCF being in the conference will hurt USF anymore than Cincinnati being in the conference hurts Louisville. But it makes for a fun discussion.

Trust me I want the Big East to be as strong as possible for the same reasons you state and if UCF had that effect then i would be all for their addition right now. But my point is that they arent at that point yet, adding them right now does little to change the perception of our league and as Neil had posted their addition would not have as much impact TV-wise as many think. Now if UCF was coming off two-three seasons in a row of ending in Top 25 of the BCS rankings, then i would say they are worth adding right now. As it is they are not going anywhere and will still be available two-three years down te road. If we went to 12 then i would say they would be in.
But we shall see what the league decides. In any case I know we are improving and so are many of our teams so better days are ahead.

(11-11-2010 04:33 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(11-11-2010 03:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. relax guy. The REALITY is that NONE of us on these boards will decide who will be added. If you think UCF should be added that is fine with me. I have stated many times that they are a good candidate, just not at this moment, it is MY opinion.
I gave you information on why I feel that way and tried to answer your points.
If I offended you by my tone, then I apologize, i was not trying to be a smart a$$. Is no surprise that at UL is your basketball coach that has no problem with ading UCF, but not a peep from your football coach.
I think you would be surprise to find out that USF is NOT the only one that has reservations on adding UCF at this time, and Ill bet that UL, Rutgers and West Virginia have some also.

Lol, Maybe I'm a little on edge due to other unnamed posters. I don't know.

My only desire is first and foremost to strengthen the conference to the point that it's BCS credentials stop being an annual issue. And I realize the UCF isn't a singular solution to that problem. It's no skin off my azz if they don't get in. I mean, if my team wins the conference, I want it to mean something. The better the conference, the more meaningful the victory.

Anyway, just taken in isolation, I don't think UCF being in the conference will hurt USF anymore than Cincinnati being in the conference hurts Louisville. But it makes for a fun discussion.

True on both accounts.

LOL KL
You know full well that if UCF was in the Big East and USF was in CUSA. We would be singing different tunes.

We will see what happens

(11-11-2010 02:37 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-11-2010 02:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Did UC or USF look like a CONSISTENT winner when they were invited?

Different situation, wouldnt you say? The Big East HAD to add teams and there was no one in the state of Florida.

How is it different? We had to add teams then to remain a BCS conference. We're adding teams now to remain a BCS conference, and ensure we'll remain one even if we're raided again, which is still a distinct possibility. I see little difference, other than the time frame for possible extinction...

(11-11-2010 05:30 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(11-11-2010 02:37 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-11-2010 02:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Did UC or USF look like a CONSISTENT winner when they were invited?

Different situation, wouldnt you say? The Big East HAD to add teams and there was no one in the state of Florida.

How is it different? We had to add teams then to remain a BCS conference. We're adding teams now to remain a BCS conference, and ensure we'll remain one even if we're raided again, which is still a distinct possibility. I see little difference, other than the time frame for possible extinction...

Not quite correct.
Last time the Big East had 5 teams left in the league, expanding was NOT an option it was mandatory. League could not exist with 5 schools.
Now we dont have to expand. Its been repeated over and over again that the Big East AQ status is NOT up for grabs at least not until 2013. So we can stay as we are and the league would not lose that. As has been shown over and over UCF at this time does NOT improve the numbers needed to help our BCS status.

(11-11-2010 04:59 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL KL
You know full well that if UCF was in the Big East and USF was in CUSA. We would be singing different tunes.

We will see what happens

I think I can vouch for that! Lol.

I don't see enough difference for it to matter, Cuban. It's pretty much the same circumstance, just not as imperative in the execution of details. Like I said, the major difference is the time factor involved. That's it...

(11-11-2010 05:44 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I don't see enough difference for it to matter, Cuban. It's pretty much the same circumstance, just not as imperative in the execution of details. Like I said, the major difference is the time factor involved. That's it...

bit
Im all for expansion BUT what I disagree with and maybe you can enlighten me is how adding UCF saves our BCS bid?

(11-11-2010 04:42 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Trust me I want the Big East to be as strong as possible for the same reasons you state and if UCF had that effect then i would be all for their addition right now. But my point is that they arent at that point yet, adding them right now does little to change the perception of our league and as Neil had posted their addition would not have as much impact TV-wise as many think. Now if UCF was coming off two-three seasons in a row of ending in Top 25 of the BCS rankings, then i would say they are worth adding right now. As it is they are not going anywhere and will still be available two-three years down te road. If we went to 12 then i would say they would be in.
But we shall see what the league decides. In any case I know we are improving and so are many of our teams so better days are ahead.

I basically agree. But I think UCF is closer than you do to making the difference. I think I'd say this. Assuming we are in fact going to 12 football schools, then UCF has got to be in there. I just can't put three schools not named TCU in front of them.

Now if we are only going to 10? Ehh... Whatever. My preference is UCF. But if it's ECU, Temple, Houston, etc., then I wouldn't care in the least. Taking any one of those for political reasons is understandable.

(11-11-2010 05:50 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(11-11-2010 04:42 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Trust me I want the Big East to be as strong as possible for the same reasons you state and if UCF had that effect then i would be all for their addition right now. But my point is that they arent at that point yet, adding them right now does little to change the perception of our league and as Neil had posted their addition would not have as much impact TV-wise as many think. Now if UCF was coming off two-three seasons in a row of ending in Top 25 of the BCS rankings, then i would say they are worth adding right now. As it is they are not going anywhere and will still be available two-three years down te road. If we went to 12 then i would say they would be in.
But we shall see what the league decides. In any case I know we are improving and so are many of our teams so better days are ahead.

I basically agree. But I think UCF is closer than you do to making the difference. I think I'd say this. Assuming we are in fact going to 12 football schools, then UCF has got to be in there. I just can't put three schools not named TCU in front of them.

Now if we are only going to 10? Ehh... Whatever. My preference is UCF. But if it's ECU, Temple, Houston, etc., then I wouldn't care in the least. Taking any one of those for political reasons is understandable.

As I said before if we go to 12, then yes I see UCF in there. But right now the deal is 10 and I think more than probably the targets will be TCU and then a lot will depend on what nova decides.
But right now the only immediate addition that helps on football is TCU

Comparing UCF/USF Cincinnati/Louisville is ridiculous. They might be closer bur theyre different states thus it's much easier to close ranks. A more accurate comparison would be the reasons Kentucky doesnt want Louisville and Ohio State wouldn't want Cincinnati.

Cuban, I didn't say UCF was going to save our bacon. But they have as much potential as USF did upon their entry, if not more so. It would create another rivalry almost immediately, which would drive up interest along I-4. However, TCU is the key piece of the puzzle. Without them, expansion should become a dead issue for now - unless hell freezes and 'nova upgrades...

(11-11-2010 06:28 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Cuban, I didn't say UCF was going to save our bacon. But they have as much potential as USF did upon their entry, if not more so. It would create another rivalry almost immediately, which would drive up interest along I-4. However, TCU is the key piece of the puzzle. Without them, expansion should become a dead issue for now - unless hell freezes and 'nova upgrades...

and I agree with you there that UCF would have as much potential as USF but they are NOT a must have right now

You still didn't get my point, I see. Never mind...

(11-11-2010 05:56 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Comparing UCF/USF Cincinnati/Louisville is ridiculous. They might be closer bur theyre different states thus it's much easier to close ranks. A more accurate comparison would be the reasons Kentucky doesnt want Louisville and Ohio State wouldn't want Cincinnati.

It's not ridiculous. You may disagree, but that doesn't make it ridiculous. Your comparison just exposes the hate that is in in-state rivalries. UK want's Louisville to just go away. They hate us for the sake of hating us, not because our existence is somehow doing real damage to them.

Inter-state hate makes for great football.

You knew this was a slam dunk when Montana turned down the WAC. They know they get a pass into the MWC once TCU leaves.