Interesting stuff gents!

I'm with Rag, I am not a MT fan. Less than mediocre performance for a BCS school. For FB he hired the two best coaches from the conference he knows (MAC), the Coach he whiffed on both times (Skip) beat hire #2 badly this past year. He needed a search firm to find a Cincinnati native that previously was an assistant Coach... we all know the gaffes he made the 1st 6 months on the job.

I am NOT stressed about who would apply for the job, again I think you would be surprised by those interested. When Bob was set to leave the 1st time there were very strong rumors that Tim Floyd was going to be announced (now that turned out good considering what he did at USC) at the time you would be hard pressed to find a hotter name. This was when we were in CUSA, not the BE.

OUCHF, you make very compelling arguments as BJ notes above... in another thread (too lazy to look it up) you laid oput some questions/scenarios on whether to keep Mick or not and I thought that was spot on too.

I like Mick, I believe he would stay here forever but we are seeing the same issues at the end of the year as last year and it concerns me. I challenge anyone to produce a quote or story about Yancey in HS or the AAU circuit that said anything other than he took plays off, would coast, etc because his talent was so much better. I think in hindsight he would have been much better off with a different Coaching staff/school. The Yancey we are seeing now reminds me a little too much Gary Reasons tugging Mike Shula's cap on TV... he seems to have no respect for the Coach.

Look at Yancey vs X and he was a Beast, look at the kid that jumped up on the scorer's table and beat his chest when Withrow won the regional, he cares about basketball and can be motivated...

(02-14-2011 11:18 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  He needed a search firm to find a Cincinnati native that previously was an assistant Coach... we all know the gaffes he made the 1st 6 months on the job.

I will never have a problem with the fact that he hired a search firm. Any AD would have done the same, especially when searching for a coach during the season.

Only 35k for a search firm pissed people off...blows my mind. One of our mods runs his own search firm...ask him how common this is and low that is for a job with that level of pay. All day long, folks, and that was peanuts. During a season it's an absolute requirement.

And crew, it would be prudent to worry about who would apply - or more appropriately, be allowed to apply- for the gig given the 15th rated budget and a fanbase that only gets 7-8000 in the stands for a huge game like St Johns when the team is sitting at 19-5.

I fear that at this point in time this job would be toxic to anyone with decent career options.

Louis Orr, c'mon down...scary, but that only feels partially like a joke.

I thought you hired an AD because of their contacts and knowledge, yes I know Eastside is in this line of work and I shudder that MT and other ADs are paid their large salaries and then push their duties off on a search firm. Subtract it from his salary if it's such a small amount.

Budget cant be helped, it is what it is... is it significantly less than what we had during CUSA when the Tim Floyd example I posted above happen..? I dont see attendance getting better considering the attitude of the fan base. I will say as a non season ticket holder for basketball I have been to as many games as I usually go to in a year so I am supporting them at the same level.

Crew, in some cases the school has to protect itself from initiating talks with a particular candidate. At that point you need the search firm to do the legwork to guage interest, etc.... I have no issue with the relatively small amount of money paid to someone to be the "middle" man of the negotiations.

(02-15-2011 09:11 AM)mlb Wrote:  Crew, in some cases the school has to protect itself from initiating talks with a particular candidate. At that point you need the search firm to do the legwork to guage interest, etc.... I have no issue with the relatively small amount of money paid to someone to be the "middle" man of the negotiations.

This is the key point as to why a search firm had to be hired in that situation. No coach who was in the middle of a season was going to talk to a school or have their agent talk directly to a school looking for a coach. You had to have a third party make all contact.

With a search firm you also get background investigations and the like. After firing a coach who had issues away from the court, you wanted to hire someone with clean background. A search firm has the resources to do an exhaustive background investigation.

We got guys on this board whose company paid that much to locate and hire them. No offense but they are probably not as important to the overall success of their organization.

The crazy meter is pegged today even for this place with the usual suspects of bville, 50, Chatter et al acting like 12 year olds.

Thank God b is doing the voice of reason or it would be lord of the flies on the island of misfit toys.

Can I pretty please plant a false rumor that another extension is in the offing? All it would take is one little PM for days of entertainment.

(02-15-2011 09:43 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Can I pretty please plant a false rumor that another extension is in the offing? All it would take is one little PM for days of entertainment.

While I think that would be hilarious, probably not a good idea.

Aw hell. It's low hanging fruit ripe for picking. You don't let me have any fun.

(02-15-2011 09:43 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  We got guys on this board whose company paid that much to locate and hire them. No offense but they are probably not as important to the overall success of their organization.

Finally a subject I can provide expertise on.

I am surprised it only cost them $35K to hire a Search Firm.
I would have guessed $50-100K.

I think they were smart to pay the $35K even if they thought Mick would be the one. I am willing to bet ND had a Search Firm putting out feelers to Urban Meyer, Stoops, BK,... long before they fired Weiss. You need to have a plan in place so you don't look like a fool once you fire your coach (Michigan)

I hope UC hires one again next year during the season so they are ready if Mick doesn't turn it around.

$35K is chump change in the big scheme of things

(02-15-2011 09:57 AM)subflea Wrote:  

(02-15-2011 09:43 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Can I pretty please plant a false rumor that another extension is in the offing? All it would take is one little PM for days of entertainment.

While I think that would be hilarious, probably not a good idea.

I, on the other hand, believe in freedom of speech, and believe it is up to them to debunk you.

I guess Sub's solution is for the best however. Besides, planting BS, false rumors, just to is - Shall we say? - CHATTERESQUE

(02-15-2011 10:46 AM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  

(02-15-2011 09:43 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  We got guys on this board whose company paid that much to locate and hire them. No offense but they are probably not as important to the overall success of their organization.

Finally a subject I can provide expertise on.

I am surprised it only cost them $35K to hire a Search Firm.
I would have guessed $50-100K.

I think they were smart to pay the $35K even if they thought Mick would be the one. I am willing to bet ND had a Search Firm putting out feelers to Urban Meyer, Stoops, BK,... long before they fired Weiss. You need to have a plan in place so you don't look like a fool once you fire your coach (Michigan)

I hope UC hires one again next year during the season so they are ready if Mick doesn't turn it around.

$35K is chump change in the big scheme of things

I have little doubt that ND had BK after the loss to Navy.

Forgot you were in that business, Hoops.

x2 on what he said.

(02-14-2011 01:42 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  He just couldn't wait till Tuesday, could he?

It's Tuesday, and I'm still waiting.

iirc it was 50k for the search firm

Might be right. Whatever it was, wasn't much.

(02-15-2011 02:56 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(02-14-2011 01:42 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  He just couldn't wait till Tuesday, could he?

It's Tuesday, and I'm still waiting.

Me too.

Wasnt it the same search firm that recommended MT to UC..?

I asked this on the main board but isnt one of the Athletic Directors biggest job responsibilities to fund raise and generate revenue for the Athletic Dept?

A Devil's Advocate might point to the fact that last year basketball brought in $1.1 million more than it ever had before, football set a record for revenue, the total AD budget was $5 million higher than in any year and UCAT membership was also at a record high.

I'd like to see more corporate whale hunting though.