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Marriage Equality arrives to New York...
Well Marriage Equality has arrived to New York. This is what real progress looks like. If you're genuinely conservative you should be for this and if you're genuinely progressive liberal you should be for this too. No government should be standing in the way of two consenting adults who are not entered into another existing marriage contract from entering into a marriage contract be they two men, two women, a man and a woman or an interracial and/or interreligious couple of the same pairings listed prior. I'd say its a religious organization's choice to perform ceremonies and that bill protects that. But a government official or willing clergyman or clergywoman should be able to do so.
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Agree with your sentiment here. Hopefully this trend continues throughout the states. Why people think the government should have a say who can and cannot get married kills me-as long as they're 18 of course.
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(06-24-2011 10:02 PM)brista21 Wrote:  If you're genuinely conservative you should be for this
Why?
Quote:I'd say its a religious organization's choice to perform ceremonies and that bill protects that.
For now, it does. Check back in a few years.
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(06-24-2011 10:05 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(06-24-2011 10:02 PM)brista21 Wrote:  If you're genuinely conservative you should be for this
Why?
Quote:I'd say its a religious organization's choice to perform ceremonies and that bill protects that.
For now, it does. Check back in a few years.

If you're genuinely conservative then you believe that the government should not be restricting the freedoms of its citizens in a situation where they cause no harm to anyone. The will of the people is now for this. Hey I think organized religion is total BS but I respect their right not to perform or host these ceremonies.
06-24-2011 10:08 PM
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(06-24-2011 10:08 PM)brista21 Wrote:  If you're genuinely conservative then you believe that the government should not be restricting the freedoms of its citizens in a situation where they cause no harm to anyone.
Do non-conservatives not believe that, as well?

Quote:Hey I think organized religion is total BS
You don't say?

Quote:but I respect their right not to perform or host these ceremonies.
Do you consider that right as something negotiable, to be worked out in the legislative/judicial process, or as something about which reasonable people can disagree?
06-24-2011 10:18 PM
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Honestly I think its something which reasonable people can disagree on. Now, note I didn't say religion is BS because I do think believe in a higher power, but I also believe that all religions are worshipping the same god just different interpretations of that god. Therefore there is no completely right religion or completely wrong religion. That being said I was raised Catholic and the truly important pieces I took away from that were to love all of my fellow human beings and respect their inalienable human (and civil) rights. One of the reasons I left the Church is over their policies on and treatment of homosexuals which I view is antithetical to their core teachings and my strong conviction that my various gay and lesbian friends deserve to get married same as I do when I decide to settle down with a woman who I've grown fond of and vice versa. That being said if they choose not to perform a ceremony or host one in a facility they own that's their prerogative.
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06-24-2011 10:37 PM
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The government should not take positions regulating the way in which people live. Whenever you restrict FREEDOM, you are going contrary to the will of the FOUNDERS of our nation. Their advice to the people whenever anyone tried to restrict freedoms was to fight for freedom...

Religion is a fine thing, taken in moderation. But IMO God was created by man - in his image - and this was done to explain the unexplainable. It was eventually co-opted by those whose purpose was to control the thoughts and minds of others...

It's after such co-opting that you get some holy roller, sitting on his high horse, dictating how people should live. They use guilt, ridicule, the desire of all people to be accepted within a group, and many other time tested methods to push people into thinking the way they want - and the majority of humanity hasn't enough gumption or intellect to see that they are being led down a path not of their own chosing...

It's being chosen for them by those who wish to own everything and/or have ultimate power over people's lives. Look throughout human history. The greatest crimes in the history of mankind have been perpetrated by - or in the name of - God...

But God didn't tell people to commit those crimes. Those people told themselves to do it - or let themselves be led into doing it by someone else. God had nothing to do with it, because he doesn't exist...

Don't rock my boat, and I won't rock your's. That's my take on such things...
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(06-24-2011 10:08 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(06-24-2011 10:05 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(06-24-2011 10:02 PM)brista21 Wrote:  If you're genuinely conservative you should be for this
Why?
Quote:I'd say its a religious organization's choice to perform ceremonies and that bill protects that.
For now, it does. Check back in a few years.

If you're genuinely conservative then you believe that the government should not be restricting the freedoms of its citizens in a situation where they cause no harm to anyone. The will of the people is now for this. Hey I think organized religion is total BS but I respect their right not to perform or host these ceremonies.

I totally agree. I consider myself to be a Republican and believe in a consistent viewpoint that the government should not be intervening in private matters, whether we're talking about fiscal or social issues. It's not even consistent for Christians to put such emphasis on the gay marriage issue when the Bible also refers to numerous sins that are perfectly legal. Why is Christianity under attack when gay marriage is legalized yet a laundry list of sins that have been legal for centuries are OK? One could argue that capitalism itself and other fundamental pillars of our society have an inherent discord with Christian beliefs or how Jesus lived. Should we throw that out the window because it's not consistent with Judeo-Christian principles?

I'm personally pro-choice, but I can understand the moral underpinnings as to why someone believes abortion is wrong. For gay marriage, though, I just don't get it. How is my marriage to my wife somehow threatened because two adult men can marry now? How the heck does that affect anyone but those two people alone? And if an act only affects those two adults and doesn't involve physical or financial harm, then why on Earth would the government have any basis to intervene? It makes no sense, especially for a Republican like myself that wants less government intervention overall (not more).

I think we'll find in 20 years that we'll look back at this debate as about as antiquated as the bigotry over mixed-race marriages up until the 1960s. Just as there was a large age-based disconnect back then (where the parents thought it was a massive hot button issue but their kids simply didn't think of it as an issue at all), we're seeing the exact same thing now. It's a slow process (and you'll always have a segment of the population that will never accept it), but I believe that it will unfold that way.
06-28-2011 09:30 AM
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