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RE: All encompassing BE expansion/configuration thread
Luck gave a very interesting interview during the rain delay of the WVU game yesterday. I'll try to summarize here to avoid the pissing matches

A) Luck spoke to the Pac 12 commisoner and said Scott gave him the impression that the Pac 12 would prefer the 16 team model. Said he felt the super conference wave was here. When on to say that it was imperative that WVU get into one of the these forming super leagues

B) ACC and SEC have an interestd in WVU. He did not elborate as to what degree. When onto compare them both. WVU has more traditional rivals in the ACC, its more regional and fan friendly for WVU fans. ACC would provide a home for most of our sports, good home for bball etc

WVUs play by play man (Tony Caridi) asked about the SEC. Luck had concerns about WVU playing a week in and week out schedule in the SEC. Said WVUs staduim would be one of the smallest in the SEC but fourth largest in the ACC. If a move to the SEC happened, WVU would need to "beef up" its football program. No details were given as to what that was. Also felt that the SEC was talking to Va Tech. Going to the SEC would also present problems for the soccer programs etc because the league doesn't offer the sport (not sure if it was both or just women's soccer). Said if the SEC invite came he would immediatly stop what he was doing and drive to President Clements house to began discussions

Luck when on to say that he hoped if the 16 team leagues came about, they could be used as a vehicle for a national champship tournament and the bowls could finally be replaced.

Probably said more then the BE office wanted, but there you go. I'm getting all of this second hand , so if the interview is offered to WVU fans I will post it

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(09-05-2011 11:19 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Luck gave a very interesting interview during the rain delay of the WVU game yesterday. I'll try to summarize here to avoid the pissing matches

A) Luck spoke to the Pac 12 commisoner and said Scott gave him the impression that the Pac 12 would prefer the 16 team model. Said he felt the super conference wave was here. When on to say that it was imperative that WVU get into one of the these forming super leagues

B) ACC and SEC have an interestd in WVU. He did not elborate as to what degree. When onto compare them both. WVU has more traditional rivals in the ACC, its more regional and fan friendly for WVU fans. ACC would provide a home for most of our sports, good home for bball etc

WVUs play by play man (Tony Caridi) asked about the SEC. Luck had concerns about WVU playing a week in and week out schedule in the SEC. Said WVUs staduim would be one of the smallest in the SEC but fourth largest in the ACC. If a move to the SEC happened, WVU would need to "beef up" its football program. No details were given as to what that was. Also felt that the SEC was talking to Va Tech. Going to the SEC would also present problems for the soccer programs etc because the league doesn't offer the sport (not sure if it was both or just women's soccer). Said if the SEC invite came he would immediatly stop what he was doing and drive to President Clements house to began discussions

Luck when on to say that he hoped if the 16 team leagues came about, they could be used as a vehicle for a national champship tournament and the bowls could finally be replaced.

Probably said more then the BE office wanted, but there you go. I'm getting all of this second hand , so if the interview is offered to WVU fans I will post it

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Interesting

I have lived in ACC country for 13 years plus now and there is definitely some prejudice toward WV and WVU as well on Tobacco Road. I just do not know if that barrier can be broken. Even some in the VT world have a bad slant mostly toward the behavior of some of our fan base - founded or unfounded.

FWIW - UK plays soccer in CUSA
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(09-05-2011 11:19 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Luck gave a very interesting interview during the rain delay of the WVU game yesterday. I'll try to summarize here to avoid the pissing matches

A) Luck spoke to the Pac 12 commisoner and said Scott gave him the impression that the Pac 12 would prefer the 16 team model. Said he felt the super conference wave was here. When on to say that it was imperative that WVU get into one of the these forming super leagues

B) ACC and SEC have an interestd in WVU. He did not elborate as to what degree. When onto compare them both. WVU has more traditional rivals in the ACC, its more regional and fan friendly for WVU fans. ACC would provide a home for most of our sports, good home for bball etc

WVUs play by play man (Tony Caridi) asked about the SEC. Luck had concerns about WVU playing a week in and week out schedule in the SEC. Said WVUs staduim would be one of the smallest in the SEC but fourth largest in the ACC. If a move to the SEC happened, WVU would need to "beef up" its football program. No details were given as to what that was. Also felt that the SEC was talking to Va Tech. Going to the SEC would also present problems for the soccer programs etc because the league doesn't offer the sport (not sure if it was both or just women's soccer). Said if the SEC invite came he would immediatly stop what he was doing and drive to President Clements house to began discussions

Luck when on to say that he hoped if the 16 team leagues came about, they could be used as a vehicle for a national champship tournament and the bowls could finally be replaced.

Probably said more then the BE office wanted, but there you go. I'm getting all of this second hand , so if the interview is offered to WVU fans I will post it

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Did he say anything about the BE? The league that his school is presently in, or is he too busy trying to get out of the BE? If he wants to get into another league that bad, then he should just become an independent. I have never seen any other AD in this league openly politic to get into another league. Just leave and the BE can move on.
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(09-05-2011 05:26 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 11:19 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Luck gave a very interesting interview during the rain delay of the WVU game yesterday. I'll try to summarize here to avoid the pissing matches

A) Luck spoke to the Pac 12 commisoner and said Scott gave him the impression that the Pac 12 would prefer the 16 team model. Said he felt the super conference wave was here. When on to say that it was imperative that WVU get into one of the these forming super leagues

B) ACC and SEC have an interestd in WVU. He did not elborate as to what degree. When onto compare them both. WVU has more traditional rivals in the ACC, its more regional and fan friendly for WVU fans. ACC would provide a home for most of our sports, good home for bball etc

WVUs play by play man (Tony Caridi) asked about the SEC. Luck had concerns about WVU playing a week in and week out schedule in the SEC. Said WVUs staduim would be one of the smallest in the SEC but fourth largest in the ACC. If a move to the SEC happened, WVU would need to "beef up" its football program. No details were given as to what that was. Also felt that the SEC was talking to Va Tech. Going to the SEC would also present problems for the soccer programs etc because the league doesn't offer the sport (not sure if it was both or just women's soccer). Said if the SEC invite came he would immediatly stop what he was doing and drive to President Clements house to began discussions

Luck when on to say that he hoped if the 16 team leagues came about, they could be used as a vehicle for a national champship tournament and the bowls could finally be replaced.

Probably said more then the BE office wanted, but there you go. I'm getting all of this second hand , so if the interview is offered to WVU fans I will post it

Jackson


Did he say anything about the BE? The league that his school is presently in, or is he too busy trying to get out of the BE? If he wants to get into another league that bad, then he should just become an independent. I have never seen any other AD in this league openly politic to get into another league. Just leave and the BE can move on.

He is pushing for an all-sports conference that is his motive, not the current hybrid. If it takes moving on and an invite comes that is what he will do. My guess is if he had his druthers WVU would remain in a NE conference that is all sports, no hybrid. He is only speaking what is on his mind.
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(09-05-2011 05:26 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 11:19 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Luck gave a very interesting interview during the rain delay of the WVU game yesterday. I'll try to summarize here to avoid the pissing matches

A) Luck spoke to the Pac 12 commisoner and said Scott gave him the impression that the Pac 12 would prefer the 16 team model. Said he felt the super conference wave was here. When on to say that it was imperative that WVU get into one of the these forming super leagues

B) ACC and SEC have an interestd in WVU. He did not elborate as to what degree. When onto compare them both. WVU has more traditional rivals in the ACC, its more regional and fan friendly for WVU fans. ACC would provide a home for most of our sports, good home for bball etc

WVUs play by play man (Tony Caridi) asked about the SEC. Luck had concerns about WVU playing a week in and week out schedule in the SEC. Said WVUs staduim would be one of the smallest in the SEC but fourth largest in the ACC. If a move to the SEC happened, WVU would need to "beef up" its football program. No details were given as to what that was. Also felt that the SEC was talking to Va Tech. Going to the SEC would also present problems for the soccer programs etc because the league doesn't offer the sport (not sure if it was both or just women's soccer). Said if the SEC invite came he would immediatly stop what he was doing and drive to President Clements house to began discussions

Luck when on to say that he hoped if the 16 team leagues came about, they could be used as a vehicle for a national champship tournament and the bowls could finally be replaced.

Probably said more then the BE office wanted, but there you go. I'm getting all of this second hand , so if the interview is offered to WVU fans I will post it

Jackson


Did he say anything about the BE? The league that his school is presently in, or is he too busy trying to get out of the BE? If he wants to get into another league that bad, then he should just become an independent. I have never seen any other AD in this league openly politic to get into another league. Just leave and the BE can move on.

And what does West Virginia do if this happens:

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1261031

Put yourself in Luck's shows and you'd be calling the SEC too

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Then you call the SEC. You dont get on national tv and talk about calling the SEC. He reminds me of the Mizzou AD from last year and his public aspirations of getting into the Big 10.
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(09-05-2011 08:48 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Then you call the SEC. You dont get on national tv and talk about calling the SEC. He reminds me of the Mizzou AD from last year and his public aspirations of getting into the Big 10.

When did he get on national tv to talk about the SEC? His interview with ESPN last night centered around Andrew Luck and his chances at the Heisman. Nothing about the BE or any conference was mentioned . Everything that I posted was from an interview on MSN with WVUs play by play guys to pass the time during the rain delay

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(09-05-2011 08:53 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  
(09-05-2011 08:48 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Then you call the SEC. You dont get on national tv and talk about calling the SEC. He reminds me of the Mizzou AD from last year and his public aspirations of getting into the Big 10.

When did he get on national tv to talk about the SEC? His interview with ESPN last night centered around Andrew Luck and his chances at the Heisman. Nothing about the BE or any conference was mentioned . Everything that I posted was from an interview on MSN with WVUs play by play guys to pass the time during the rain delay

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OK, then I should have used the the term national media outlet. You have to use some sort of discernment when you are talking to the media, even if its just a local newspaper or whatever. It has a way of getting around. Between the public politicing to get into another league and bringing up league member shortcomings, its just not very smart. Up until now, I have always just ignored when other folks criticized the guy, but he is giving his critics more and more fuel.
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Just a few thoughts on some developments:

Texas has a Tech problem as stated by the B1G 10. One way to get rid of the problem is for the Big 12 to dissolve, maybe go indy for a year or two and then Texas can join any conference it wants to join, sans Tech.

Per ESPN:

"However, Texas officials left the weekend meeting with Oklahoma officials convinced the Sooners plan to apply for Pac-12 membership, a Texas source told ESPN's Joe Schad.

"They want to go. We'd like for them to stay. It was disappointing," a Texas source confirmed to ESPN."

and,

"Sources told Schad on Wednesday that Texas is willing to make financial concessions in order to keep the Big 12 together, but if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State join Texas A&M in leaving the conference, Texas does not consider a Big 12 with seven teams remaining to be viable."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/story/_/id...-stability

I deduce that Texas may actually want out rather than salvage the Big 12. It appears as though Texas believes OU and OSU are gone, it's just a matter of time. Texas does not want to rebuild the conference even though there are sufficient teams to do so.

As to TTech, I don't see them going anywhere without Texas leading them there. Tech is not a great storied team and they have no decent markets/following. Their academics qualify them for the SEC, but in reality, they are below standards for the B1G 10, PAC 12, Big East and ACC, though, the PAC 12 would take them IF Texas has to bring them along. Following my above theory, TTech has no real options if Texas goes indy, they could be relegated to the MWC, CUSA or WAC.

Baylor has at least the possibility of landing in the Big East, most likely as a filler school number 12, 14, or 16.

Kansas will be fine. They could end up in the PAC 12, B1G 10, or Big East with a very slim chance at the ACC.

ISU is praying for anything they can get.

K State is only slightly better off than ISU in that they may ride Kansas coattails, otherwise, they are praying for anything.

Mizzou is looking B1G 10, may have the eyes of the SEC and can land softly in the Big East.

On the SEC front:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...s-join-sec

"The SEC has no "immediate plans" to add a 14th team, he said. Slive said the conference isn't "thinking in terms of numbers" and that the league only considers the strength of the SEC and the "attractiveness of Texas A&M as an institution."

From this, I think that the SEC has teams in mind but has not worked out the details. I still think FSU and VPI are targets 1 & 2. FSU has a better national appeal and locks Florida as an SEC market, essentially squeezing out the ACC - based on Miami's probable harsh penalties and limited fan base in state. The Big East already was limited to the USF fans and retirees. VPI brings in a much larger market than WVU, otherwise, the wtwo are on par with each other for fanbase support, travel, etc.

If TAMU does not secure the SEC invite due to the necessity of obtaining waivers to not sue by the remaining Big 12 teams, then they go indy one year and then Baylor's arguments are destroyed. I still think all issues are resolved so that TAMU is able to enter the SEC next fall.
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FSU is now "On the Clock", they have formed a committe to review their options.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/semi...55047.html

Naturally, the ACC and their fans believes Texas is headed their way and the FSU would never leave for any other conference. The SEC looks at it a bit differently:

http://www.mrsec.com/2011/09/fsu-forms-e...committee/

The final point of the above article:

"The SEC might have zero to do with today’s announcement. But the odds suggest otherwise. If FSU leaves the ACC, it will be for the SEC, not the Big Ten, Big East or Pac-12. So flip a coin, people. Either FSU wants to have a say in what the ACC does next… or it’s eyeballing a departure to the SEC. And if it’s just wanting to have a greater say in the ACC’s future, why announce to the press that it’s formed an exploratory committee?"

I agree with their reasoning. FSU is exploring their options of different ways out, namely the SEC.
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I have my doubts about the SEC wanting FSU. Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, and Auburn would all be in competition with FSU for recruits, and inviting them to the SEC would put them on equal footing. IMO all 5 schools would block their entry. So I don't see what leaving the ACC gets them...
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(09-13-2011 06:06 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  FSU is now "On the Clock", they have formed a committe to review their options.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/semi...55047.html

Naturally, the ACC and their fans believes Texas is headed their way and the FSU would never leave for any other conference. The SEC looks at it a bit differently:

http://www.mrsec.com/2011/09/fsu-forms-e...committee/

The final point of the above article:

"The SEC might have zero to do with today’s announcement. But the odds suggest otherwise. If FSU leaves the ACC, it will be for the SEC, not the Big Ten, Big East or Pac-12. So flip a coin, people. Either FSU wants to have a say in what the ACC does next… or it’s eyeballing a departure to the SEC. And if it’s just wanting to have a greater say in the ACC’s future, why announce to the press that it’s formed an exploratory committee?"

I agree with their reasoning. FSU is exploring their options of different ways out, namely the SEC.

Great Info HTown
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If the SEC is dangling an invite in front of FSU, IMO it's to weaken UNC's resolve about staying in the conference. That would allow the SEC to gain control of the 2 southern states they don't already own; North Carolina and Virginia...
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(09-14-2011 06:55 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If the SEC is dangling an invite in front of FSU, IMO it's to weaken UNC's resolve about staying in the conference. That would allow the SEC to gain control of the 2 southern states they don't already own; North Carolina and Virginia...

I wouldn't doubt your point of view. I would not put it past the SEC to be looking at 1-3 teams from the ACC to destroy any lingering ideas of the ACC influence in the southeast. I can see the SEC as interested in:

FSU
UNC
NC State
VPI
UVa
Clemson
Georgia Tech

as well as

Mizzou to the west

WVU and Louisville would certainly be on their radar.

Back to your point, if NC and VA are the real goals and you just happen to take FSU to get them, I still see that as a very HUGE WIN!
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(09-13-2011 07:11 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I have my doubts about the SEC wanting FSU. Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, and Auburn would all be in competition with FSU for recruits, and inviting them to the SEC would put them on equal footing. IMO all 5 schools would block their entry. So I don't see what leaving the ACC gets them...

Even though FSU is in the ACC, they are on equal footing with the SEC schools in just about every way. I would say the same about Clemson visa v USC. If the SEC was willing to overlook the tv footprint overlap, either of these schools would be at the top of the list. GT and daU on the other hand, are definitely not at the same level as SEC schools.
Out of all the other ACC schools, VT definitely is the one that has the most SEC school feel to it. The original ACC schools all have more of that football playing, BE basketball first, lax school, wine and cheese crowd to them.
To me, the only BE school with any hint of an SEC feel to it is WV. The rest of us are football playing, BE basketball first, lax school, wine and cheese crowds. RU really does not have that identity any more. We have been so bad for so long in basketball and lax, that we have more or less taken on the persona of a football school by default. Considering how short of a time football has been king and how weak that reign is, a really good run by either other sport could easily change things around here.
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FSU likes to think they're on the same level as SEC teams, mike. But that ain't the case...
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(09-14-2011 11:19 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  FSU likes to think they're on the same level as SEC teams, mike. But that ain't the case...
BTW, it's Vis à Vis...

They can get back to that status pretty quick.
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A top 10 ranking and a full 80,000 seat stadium looks pretty SEC to me. They aren't getting the tv, money, but they are stuck with what the ACC gets.
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