O.G. Eagle Wrote:

wvucrazed Wrote:

cardheel Wrote:I'm guessing you're about 12 years old.

I had decided to put him on ignore, but his posts are so funny that I didn't. Hopefully he'll keep posting here!! Laughter is good for ya.


:D

No....what is hilarious is the arrogance of the Card fans....you will see soon enough if you already haven't...it won't be long until they begin to criticize everything about your conference.....you will se....good luck, you'll need it!....lol... :wave: :wave: ..... :snore: :snore:

I seriously doubt that OG Eagle. You see unlike some schools in C-USA the Big East schools and Louisville see it pretty much the same. Pitt, WVU, Rutgers, USF, UConn, UC and Syracuse all want the best for the Big East-(I can say many schools in C-USA only wanted to leach off certain programs).

We all want to strive to be the best league in the country and there is no dead weight in this league. C-USA on the other hand now has SMU, Tulane, Rice and others. Memphis fans will soon find out want a burden C-USA can be.

Quote:Then why won't WVU give MAC schools a 2 for 1 like Pitt and Syracuse are willing to do? You should play the Bobcats.......we are only 2 hours away.

-- West Virginia's policy of not playing @ MAC schools is older then the BCS and the BE football conference. I don't know why it was orginally started but the policy remains. Also, from our perspective we have always recruited well in north and central Ohio. How would it help us to play @ Bowling Green?

-- Penn St is 2 hrs away from us too...but you don't see them giving WVU the time of day anymore...despite our 50+yrs of history together


Jackson

tufinal4 Wrote:What does attendance have to do with it? There are SEVERAL Big East programs with absolutely horrid, anemic actual attendance. You may want to put that genie back in the bottle. The NCAA basketball tournament is decided solely on the basis of on-court performance, period. I have no problem with the way that Division 1 NCAA basketball is run, or its post season decided and conducted.

It is also ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous, for any fan, ESPECIALLY CUSA FANS posting here, to extend congratulations to Cincy for "earning" their way into the BCS. The BCS is about FOOTBALL, and has NOTHING to do with basketball, which is THE reason they were invited to the conference. How many media stories from that period does one have to read to understand why the Big East chose who they did? It was for basketball, plain and simple; they decided to go for the premier basketball conference in America, by a couple of miles. Why else did they invite Marquette and DePaul, who don't even HAVE football? They knew they couldn't bulk back up to anywhere within that same couple of miles in football; they thought they might get some credit for Louisville, who nevertheless was no replacement for Virginia Tech and certainly not in the same hemisphere as Miami. As for Cincinnati, and even more so South Florida, in football they were warm bodies to stay at 8 teams so they (at the time) could try and convince the BCS to let them keep their autobid. Cincy brought world class basketball, and South Florida brought, well, a Florida presence (??) which the Big East for some reason finds so incredibly valuable that it is worth a $4 million plus revenue sharing check.

The conference has benefitted greatly from BCS politics (i.e. keeping a majority of Div. 1A teams) in hanging onto their autobid, and from having Notre Dame in their bowl selection deal in attracting bowl bids.

A little honesty is so refreshing, it's like a blast of fresh mountain air.

Isnt' life great. Your seem to be one bitter dude.

tufinal4 Wrote:What does attendance have to do with it? There are SEVERAL Big East programs with absolutely horrid, anemic actual attendance. You may want to put that genie back in the bottle. The NCAA basketball tournament is decided solely on the basis of on-court performance, period. I have no problem with the way that Division 1 NCAA basketball is run, or its post season decided and conducted.

SEVERAL Big East programs with horrid football attendance? Maybe UC and USF but they can quickly turn it around on a football schedule.

Yes, there is a correlation between attendance numbers and ability for a program to perform. Look at the WAC, Boise, Fresno, and Hawaii are ahead in attendance and competitiveness of its league mates. At the mid major level, the better attended programs tend to be the most successful desirable to recruits. Recruits would rather play at TCU in front of 30,000 than SMU in front of 10,000.

There is a group of about 20 non-BCS schools who average 25-40k and travel well to bowls. Those are the schools being screwed by the system. The rest are leaches and belong in 1-AA.

cuseroc Wrote:

tufinal4 Wrote:What does attendance have to do with it?  There are SEVERAL Big East programs with absolutely horrid, anemic actual attendance.  You may want to put that genie back in the bottle.  The NCAA basketball tournament is decided solely on the basis of on-court performance, period.  I have no problem with the way that Division 1 NCAA basketball is run, or its post season decided and conducted. 

It is also ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous, for any fan, ESPECIALLY CUSA FANS posting here, to extend congratulations to Cincy for "earning" their way into the BCS.  The BCS is about FOOTBALL, and has NOTHING to do with basketball, which is THE reason they were invited to the conference.  How many media stories from that period does one have to read to understand why the Big East chose who they did?  It was for basketball, plain and simple; they decided to go for the premier basketball conference in America, by a couple of miles.  Why else did they invite Marquette and DePaul, who don't even HAVE football?  They knew they couldn't bulk back up to anywhere within that same couple of miles in football; they thought they might get some credit for Louisville, who nevertheless was no replacement for Virginia Tech and certainly not in the same hemisphere as Miami.  As for Cincinnati, and even more so South Florida, in football they were warm bodies to stay at 8 teams so they (at the time) could try and convince the BCS to let them keep their autobid.  Cincy brought world class basketball, and South Florida brought, well, a Florida presence (??) which the Big East for some reason finds so incredibly valuable that it is worth a $4 million plus revenue sharing check.

The conference has benefitted greatly from BCS politics (i.e. keeping a majority of Div. 1A teams) in hanging onto their autobid, and from having Notre Dame in their bowl selection deal in attracting bowl bids.

A little honesty is so refreshing, it's like a blast of fresh mountain air.

Isnt' life great. Your seem to be one bitter dude.

Tufinal4 is a bitter dude and has been for a long time.

Tufinal4 expects a program like UofL to just sit pat and not try to better ourselves. Since Tulane will never be seen as an elite program in the two major college sports because they will always be in the shadow of pro teams and LSU, he expects UofL to also remain in its mediocrity club.

And unless a Card fan proclaims that you really like Tulane and that they are just great, then you will be labeled classless by Tufinal4.

For a school that we have been in a conference with for a long time, I have never cared about Tulane. I never got excited about game week with Tulane, whether it be basketball or football, and I’m so glad UofL is not associated with you anymore.

There you go Tufinal4; now is your turn to call me arrogant and classless when in fact I’m just stating my personal opinion which you just happen not to like.

Judging from some of the posts in this thread I am in the minority when I say shutting the door on the schools not in the BCS is bullsh*t. Honestly, to see the number of Cardinal fans in this thread that support doing just that sickens me. Have we already forgot where we came from? We haven't played are first game as a BCS school and we are already saying "f*ck you" to our former partners.
Some say well its their own fault for not being ready when the opportunity came...Well I say what about Olsen and Crum keeping us out of the original Big East with their bonehead and bullsh*t decisions. We got a second chance. Why don't Memphis, USM, Tulane and ECU?
Lets not forget that CUSA was very good to us for 10 seasons..We are on the cusp of doing something great. Something that very few thought was possible when Howard to the Louisville job in 1984. Lets not forget our friends. Schools that were more than willing to play (and beat us) when the BCS schools refused to. Does any Card fan thick we could have had a better national stage to build, grow and showcase our football program?
No I am not ready to turn my back on the Tigers, Eagles, Green Wave and Pirates. Certainly not at the suggestion of some hack journalist from SEC Alabama. Count me as a Louisville fan who hopes at least two of these programs join us when we split.
CJ

CardinalJim Wrote:Judging from some of the posts in this thread I am in the minority when I say shutting the door on the schools not in the BCS is bullsh*t. Honestly, to see the number of Cardinal fans in this thread that support doing just that sickens me. Have we already forgot where we came from? We haven't played are first game as a BCS school and we are already saying "f*ck you" to our former partners.
Some say well its their own fault for not being ready when the opportunity came...Well I say what about Olsen and Crum keeping us out of the original Big East with their bonehead and bullsh*t decisions. We got a second chance. Why don't Memphis, USM, Tulane and ECU?
Lets not forget that CUSA was very good to us for 10 seasons..We are on the cusp of doing something great. Something that very few thought was possible when Howard to the Louisville job in 1984. Lets not forget our friends. Schools that were more than willing to play (and beat us) when the BCS schools refused to. Does any Card fan thick we could have had a better national stage to build, grow and showcase our football program?
No I am not ready to turn my back on the Tigers, Eagles, Green Wave and Pirates. Certainly not at the suggestion of some hack journalist from SEC Alabama. Count me as a Louisville fan who hopes at least two of these programs join us when we split.
CJ

Wow a voice of reason from a cardinal fan.

Good stuff Jim.

"If the NCAA was just willing to enforce an actual attendance requirement, a lot of the problems in Division 1-A would be solved."

That's why Ohio U would be in Division 1-AA instead of 1-A.

CardinalJim Wrote:Judging from some of the posts in this thread I am in the minority when I say shutting the door on the schools not in the BCS is bullsh*t. Honestly, to see the number of Cardinal fans in this thread that support doing just that sickens me. Have we already forgot where we came from? We haven't played are first game as a BCS school and we are already saying "f*ck you" to our former partners.
Some say well its their own fault for not being ready when the opportunity came...Well I say what about Olsen and Crum keeping us out of the original Big East with their bonehead and bullsh*t decisions. We got a second chance. Why don't Memphis, USM, Tulane and ECU?
Lets not forget that CUSA was very good to us for 10 seasons..We are on the cusp of doing something great. Something that very few thought was possible when Howard to the Louisville job in 1984. Lets not forget our friends. Schools that were more than willing to play (and beat us) when the BCS schools refused to. Does any Card fan thick we could have had a better national stage to build, grow and showcase our football program?
No I am not ready to turn my back on the Tigers, Eagles, Green Wave and Pirates. Certainly not at the suggestion of some hack journalist from SEC Alabama. Count me as a Louisville fan who hopes at least two of these programs join us when we split.
CJ

As I've stated before Jim most of CUSA never stepped to the plate. They said 'F You' to Louisville when we attempted to grow the conference with intelligence and foresight and nearly kicked us out. Yet they were happy to leach off of the programs that had the motivation and the means to invest in their respective athletic profiles. So yeah, I have no problem saying 'F*CK You' to Tulane, UAB, Southern miss, etc.

CardinalJim Wrote:Lets not forget that CUSA was very good to us for 10 seasons..

That is the ONE point that gets lost in all this mess. Who knows where the Cards or Bearcats would be if it wasn't for the years in CUSA. I contend that CUSA served both schools well despite what most on this board would say.

oldtiger Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:Lets not forget that CUSA was very good to us for 10 seasons..

That is the ONE point that gets lost in all this mess. Who knows where the Cards or Bearcats would be if it wasn't for the years in CUSA. I contend that CUSA served both schools well despite what most on this board would say.

Yeah, and lets not forget how M Slive promised USF entry into C-DOA and then the Presidents of UAB & Memphis did the "2 year screw over" of USF. Yeah, that help us alot. We went 9-2 and then got the invetation to the "NO" bowl because we were an independant. THanks C-DOA. Glad to be gone.................

I didn't post a single thing about Louisville in that post, nor did I post anything bitter about anyone. I posted the actual facts of the matter, about what drove the Big East's expansion plan. They made largely a basketball move, and that shouldn't have a bearing on BCS inclusion, which has as much to do with the sport of basketball (whose champion is decided on the court, plain and simple) as it does the sport of wrestling or badminton. People who want to feel the way that they do will rationalize whatever they want about facts to fit their view; therefore, it isn't really Notre Dame getting us our bowl bids, it's "our schools" they love. Or, their football programs aren't fledgling Division 1A bottom barrel programs, they are legit because their basketball programs got them into a BCS football conference (there's nothing wrong with the actual truth), and their glaring weaknesses are magically turned into "potential".

The departing cusa vs. the remaining cusa dialogue grows tiresome.

JIM15068 Wrote:The departing cusa vs. the remaining cusa dialogue grows tiresome.

I second that. Let it go already. We have a great future to look forward to.

Quote:The departing cusa vs. the remaining cusa dialogue grows tiresome.

-- Amen....maybe we need a seperate section for CUSA fans and the fans of the former CUSA schools to talk smack


Jackson

JIM15068 Wrote:The departing cusa vs. the remaining cusa dialogue grows tiresome.

Very simple solution...don't click...lol...

Quote:Very simple soluion...don't click...lol... 

-- I have an even more simple solution...you just go back to your own board


Jackson

Quote:There is a group of about 20 non-BCS schools who average 25-40k and travel well to bowls. Those are the schools being screwed by the system. The rest are leaches and belong in 1-AA.

i fail to see how teams with low attendance are leaches. what possible impact does ohio university's attendance have on anyone other than themselves?? if they want to continue to lose money in order to remain in div1a, what concern is that of anyone other than themselves?? for whatever reason it's worth it to them despite the low attendance numbers, so i say let them stay. i think the attendance policy is stupid because it is really up to the school itself.


as far as the original topic of the post, keep in mind that this is just some guy writing an article who really has no say in what will happen. if you look around, the ncaa is doing much more to bridge the gap between the bcs and the non bcs than they are to force it apart. the 85-25 rule and the adjustments that have been made to the bcs are just two examples of that. the season after this one, a non bcs team who finishes #12 or better will automatically qualify for a bcs bowl. as a result, you will see more non bcs teams in bcs bowls, not less.

as far as bcs vs non bcs matchups, i cannot think of a single bcs team off the top of my head that does not play at least one non bcs school. as far as the bowls breaking off, that could conceivably happen, but all and all, it is HIGHLY unlikely that a seperate division will be formed, or that the bcs schools will simply stop playing the non bcs schools.

louisville has improved a lot at a rapid rate, but they aren't exactly batting 1000 against non bcs teams in bowl games over the years. i don't see how anyone could say that they are not deserving or not good enough without kidding themselves.

What gets under my skin the most is how just last year We(Louisville) was in a Non BCS league and all of a sudden we can look down are noses at schools such as Memphis, Tulane, and Southern Miss. As much as I love to hate Memphis and I love the football rivarly with S.Miss those schools are far more deserving of BCS bids than Duke, Vandy, and Baylor, you can probably make a case for some other schools also and in most cases more deserving than Kentucky. The BCS is a joke and always will be a joke until we have a playoff to decide a "real" champion.

I questioned alot of the decisions that CUSA made but CUSA gave us the opportunity to show case our football and basketball programs on a weekly basis. Louisville could not have received a TV contract independently. Our team has not even played a down in the Big East yet but all of a sudden we crash the party and are ****** smells too good for Memphis and Southern Miss yeah right. Some of my fellow fans need to let a little of that air out, its good to be excited but at the same time we haven't done anything at this point to claim a throne on any BCS seat. We still have to play our conference brethern who has been there before. Just reading some of these comments by the fans of the team I love specifically is getting sickening. :bang: :bang: I hope Memphis and Southern Miss can find there way into a BCS league whether its the Big East or SEC. Hell I can't believe I'm taking up for Southern Miss but they are the best team in there state. All this petty smack between Old CUSA and N-CUSa is getting old. Anyways I'm looking forward to the battles with the BEAST and especially WVU I think we have a rivarly brewing already Sorry for my first post being so long.

kardphan Wrote:What gets under my skin the most is how just last year We(Louisville) was in a Non BCS league and all of a sudden we can look down are noses at schools such as Memphis, Tulane, and Southern Miss. As much as I love to hate Memphis and I love the football rivarly with S.Miss those schools are far more deserving of BCS bids than Duke, Vandy, and Baylor, you can probably make a case for some other schools also and in most cases more deserving than Kentucky. The BCS is a joke and always will be a joke until we have a playoff to decide a "real" champion.

I questioned alot of the decisions that CUSA made but CUSA gave us the opportunity to show case our football and basketball programs on a weekly basis. Louisville could not have received a TV contract independently. Our team has not even played a down in the Big East yet but all of a sudden we crash the party and are ****** smells too good for Memphis and Southern Miss yeah right. Some of my fellow fans need to let a little of that air out, its good to be excited but at the same time we haven't done anything at this point to claim a throne on any BCS seat. We still have to play our conference brethern who has been there before. Just reading some of these comments by the fans of the team I love specifically is getting sickening. :bang: :bang: I hope Memphis and Southern Miss can find there way into a BCS league whether its the Big East or SEC. Hell I can't believe I'm taking up for Southern Miss but they are the best team in there state. All this petty smack between Old CUSA and N-CUSa is getting old. Anyways I'm looking forward to the battles with the BEAST and especially WVU I think we have a rivarly brewing already Sorry for my first post being so long.

Kardphan, most of the Card fans that are trying to break from the former league counterparts are just taking the opportunity to rub it in USM, ECU, and Memphis' face. "We're in the BCS and you're not" - that's all it is. They have the opportunity and they are taking advantage of it. I can't say that folks on the CUSA board wouldn't do the same thing. Some of it is the result of mis-statements being made on both boards, some is the result of grown people being childish. I can't say that I haven't participated in that myself on a couple of occassions......it, just the nature of meessage boards. Cincy, Lousiville and Memphis have a loooooong history that may never continue. I don't blame the BE or the Cards for what's happened......I do however have some resentment regarding the ACC and they manner in which they started this whole mess.

Good luck to you, CardinalJim, and Cardswin00.