BearcatOne Wrote:Wilkie and Jackson: 

I just heard from a source close to the SEC headquarters that a press conference will be held in a couple of weeks announcing Memphis as a member of the Southeastern Conference.  The tigers will apparently replace Vanderbilt.

The inclusion of Memphis removed all obstacles to the BE vs. SEC bowl matchup.  My source said both conferences are happy with the arrangement.

After Vanderbilt was voted out, Arkansas, Mississippi State and LSU were finally convinced at the last minute that taking Memphis would be good for the conference.

It's Memphis to the SEC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  :laugh:

Funny :rolleyes:

Article in the FW Star-Telegram says that a deal with a C-USA Champ vs. ACC matchup is just about finalized. I think the Hartford guy got the LB mixed up with MC bowl.

Quote:I just heard from a source close to the SEC headquarters that a press conference will be held in a couple of weeks announcing Memphis as a member of the Southeastern Conference. The tigers will apparently replace Vanderbilt.

The inclusion of Memphis removed all obstacles to the BE vs. SEC bowl matchup. My source said both conferences are happy with the arrangement.

After Vanderbilt was voted out, Arkansas, Mississippi State and LSU were finally convinced at the last minute that taking Memphis would be good for the conference.

It's Memphis to the SEC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--That's cold

Jackson

Quote:Article in the FW Star-Telegram says that a deal with a C-USA Champ vs. ACC matchup is just about finalized. I think the Hartford guy got the LB mixed up with MC bowl.

-- Thanks for the update....that fits into what we have been hearing prior to the article out of Conn.

Jackson

BearcatOne Wrote:Wilkie and Jackson:

I just heard from a source close to the SEC headquarters that a press conference will be held in a couple of weeks announcing Memphis as a member of the Southeastern Conference. The tigers will apparently replace Vanderbilt.

The inclusion of Memphis removed all obstacles to the BE vs. SEC bowl matchup. My source said both conferences are happy with the arrangement.

After Vanderbilt was voted out, Arkansas, Mississippi State and LSU were finally convinced at the last minute that taking Memphis would be good for the conference.

It's Memphis to the SEC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:laugh:

LOL!! -- Man that was almost as funny as Huggy's drunken vomit video.

I've been out of town for the past week but if this is close to happening and MT has put together a progressive and innovative bowl package partnering the BE with other BCS leagues such as the Big XII and the SEC he is to be commended. As our floating BCS slot gives us the opportunity to bring home Rose, Fiesta, Sugar and Orange Bowl trophies this new organization could open the door to many new and exciting bowl locales for the conference. Taking the Liberty Bowl as a #3 or #4 would be a coup for the conference imo.
:)

Despite some C-USA fans best efforts to over-represent their hold on the Liberty Bowl, it is not really that far fetched for them to lose the LB.

Why?

The Liberty Bowl hold a series of 3 options with C-USA. That is, C-USA gets to keep going to the liberty bowl as long as LB's wants them to come. In other words, the LB holds all the cards. Thus if a potentially more lucrative match up was possible that didn't involve C-USA were to come up, the Liberty Bowl would simply just not renew their option.

Based on several reports, that option could be SEC vs BE....or....SEC vs. ACC.

If the SEC is going to be involved it's not going to want to "lower" themselves and potentially have one of their teams get beat by C-USA's champion. They will only likely agree to play in the LB against another BCS conference. The BE would gladly take the Liberty Bowl for it's #3 or #4, plus the chance to take on a SEC opponent. The wild card is the ACC. If they can agree to become affiliated with the LB, a SEC/ACC game may be what the tradition rich Liberty Bowl wants.

Furthermore, we keep hearing how important Memphis State is to the survival of the Liberty Bowl. That is not true. If the Liberty Bowl were to get a SEC team and play them against another BCS team in large SEC city like Memphis, it wouldn't miss C-USA or Memphis supporters at all. The Liberty Bowl may talk a nice game to Memphis fans but at the end of the day, it's not charity.

The definition of charity is USF's inclusion into the BE, and the welfare checks that you will recieve because the conference has to feed you. I love it, a USF fans expertise on a event that their little program has yet to achieve. You guys have to work on being something other than Homecoming fodder. BTW the Liberty Bowl tried the BE already, and could only stomach two years of your "support"

CyberBull Wrote:Despite some C-USA fans best efforts to over-represent their hold on the Liberty Bowl, it is not really that far fetched for them to lose the LB.

Why?

The Liberty Bowl hold a series of 3 options with C-USA. That is, C-USA gets to keep going to the liberty bowl as long as LB's wants them to come. In other words, the LB holds all the cards. Thus if a potentially more lucrative match up was possible that didn't involve C-USA were to come up, the Liberty Bowl would simply just not renew their option.

Based on several reports, that option could be SEC vs BE....or....SEC vs. ACC. 

If the SEC is going to be involved it's not going to want to "lower" themselves and potentially have one of their teams get beat by C-USA's  champion. They will only likely agree to play in the LB against another BCS conference. The BE would gladly take the Liberty Bowl for it's #3 or #4, plus the chance to take on a SEC opponent. The wild card is the ACC. If they can agree to become affiliated with the LB, a SEC/ACC game may be what the tradition rich Liberty Bowl wants.

Furthermore, we keep hearing how important Memphis State is to the survival of the Liberty Bowl. That is not true. If the Liberty Bowl were to get a SEC team and play them against another BCS team in large SEC city like Memphis, it wouldn't miss C-USA or Memphis supporters at all.  The Liberty Bowl may talk a nice game to Memphis fans but at the end of the day, it's not charity.

IF the SEC sends a team to the LB, it will be one of their sh!ttiest
teams. They're not exactly scrambling for bowl spots like the BE is at the moment.
But it will be a CUSA opponent.

But go ahead and believe your own crap about the Liberty Bowl not supporting us.
Hell, they tried to place us in the LB last year, despite us not even being in first place.

Yeah, we're surrounded by SEC schools,( but we're not an SEC city)
and so are you and you're a 1A newbie fighting much better SEC schools
for their recruiting "leftovers".

Once again, Steve Earhardt, the exec. director of the LB is a Memphis homer
who has said publically many times, that the LB will always be associated
with the conference Memphis is in.

And the "Memphis State" reference isn't insulting to anyone. That's what's
on my degree from '92. But I guess it's to be expected from you, since you're
one of the biggest contributors to the CUSA smack forum.

Besides,....aren't you the bull that suggested USF would deliver a Florida bowl? :rolleyes:

For the last time, the only way CUSA loses the Liberty Bowl is if CUSA loses
Memphis.

And since you enjoy taking shots at a better athletic program (when you're not trying
to measure yourself against UCF), here's one for you.....

I find it hilarious that a school that has zero chance of sniffing any bowl
would care either way. Aren't you predicted to finish dead friggin' last? :rolleyes:

St. Patrick Eagle Wrote:The definition of charity is USF's inclusion into the BE, and the welfare checks that you will recieve because the conference has to feed you.

That's what blows my mind about Louisville supporting their
inclusion. The cards were the most vocal critics of the bottom
feeders in the conference, yet they supported the crappiest
program in CUSA?

Tigers2B1 Wrote:

BearcatOne Wrote:Wilkie and Jackson: 

I just heard from a source close to the SEC headquarters that a press conference will be held in a couple of weeks announcing Memphis as a member of the Southeastern Conference.  The tigers will apparently replace Vanderbilt.

The inclusion of Memphis removed all obstacles to the BE vs. SEC bowl matchup.  My source said both conferences are happy with the arrangement.

After Vanderbilt was voted out, Arkansas, Mississippi State and LSU were finally convinced at the last minute that taking Memphis would be good for the conference.

It's Memphis to the SEC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  :laugh:

LOL!! -- Man that was almost as funny as Huggy's drunken vomit video.

Or maybe as funny as players calling the police after being robbed of thousands of dollars in close or jewelry right? That's why I wish people would stop making idiots of themselves and taking personal shots at a person. That's why I stay away from Larry Eustachy and others. It's one thing to take a shot at a program, I stay away from people in general.

Bambu Wrote:

St. Patrick Eagle Wrote:The definition of charity is USF's inclusion into the BE, and the welfare checks that you will recieve because the conference has to feed you.

That's what blows my mind about Louisville supporting their
inclusion. The cards were the most vocal critics of the bottom
feeders in the conference, yet they supported the crappiest
program in CUSA?

South Florida wasn't that great in basketball but they were solid in football. They had one down year, last year, but people want to use revisionist history and act like South Florida has this terrible football program when they don't. They actually have a solid football program.

CyberBull Wrote:Furthermore, we keep hearing how important Memphis State is to the survival of the Liberty Bowl. That is not true. If the Liberty Bowl were to get a SEC team and play them against another BCS team in large SEC city like Memphis, it wouldn't miss C-USA or Memphis supporters at all.  The Liberty Bowl may talk a nice game to Memphis fans but at the end of the day, it's not charity.

1st of all we ceased to be "Memphis State" long B4 usf even had a football program!2nd the Tigers own (and delivers) the Memphis market,unlike the bulls in tampa.The Liberty Bowl has a good partner in CUSA and will continue to renew the options for the next 3 years as it waits to see how the conference shakeups pan out (and where the UofM lands)

Quote:And since you enjoy taking shots at a better athletic program (when you're not trying
to measure yourself against UCF), here's one for you.....

I find it hilarious that a school that has zero chance of sniffing any bowl
would care either way. Aren't you predicted to finish dead friggin' last? 

Quote:That's what blows my mind about Louisville supporting their
inclusion. The cards were the most vocal critics of the bottom
feeders in the conference, yet they supported the crappiest
program in CUSA?

-- I'm getting a little tired at all the pot shots CUSA fans are taking at South Flordia....they make it sound like the Bulls football program is Temple esq when in fact they have been very competitve over there short history....And while you guys are talking athletic programs...didn't USF enjoy one of the best best varisty/olympic sports programs in OCUSA? I know a lot of Memphis, ECU, UCF, Marshall etc fans are bitter that USF got the call...but good lord enough is enough

CyberBull Wrote:<a href='http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-befoot0715.artjul15,0,2465293.story?coll=hc-headlines-sports-college' target='_blank'>http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-b...-sports-college</a>


Big East, Gator Bowl Renew Ties

By KEN DAVIS
Courant Staff Writer

July 15 2005

Just weeks after the Big East's agreement with the Gator Bowl appeared to be in jeopardy, the conference announced Thursday it has salvaged that relationship and formed a partnership that includes Notre Dame, the Big 12 Conference and the Sun Bowl.

The collaboration, unprecedented in Division I-A football, assures the two Bowl Championship Series conferences participation in the Toyota Gator Bowl and Vitalis Sun Bowl over a four-year period, beginning with the 2006 regular season.

After each conference's representative to the BCS has been determined, the Gator Bowl or Sun Bowl will have the first pick from the Big East's No. 2 team, Big 12's No. 3 or Notre Dame. Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese said plans for the selection rotation have not been finalized but it is likely one bowl will get the Big East in the first and third years, and the other bowl in the second and fourth.

Notre Dame, which remains a part of the Big East's bowl pool, will have the opportunity to play in each bowl once. The Atlantic Coast Conference will continue to provide the opponent in the Gator Bowl, and the Pac-10 Conference will do the same in the Sun Bowl.

"Making certain we had a good second spot in our bowl lineup was absolutely imperative," Tranghese said Thursday. "We wanted to play teams from the power conferences and with the ACC and Pac-10 obviously we've got that."

The Big East is entering the final year of its bowl agreements, which include the Gator Bowl, the Insight Bowl in Phoenix and Continental Tire Bowl in Charlotte, N.C. The Big East also has an agreement with the Motor City Bowl in Detroit if the Big Ten cannot fill its slot against the Mid-American Conference.

"We're close to making three more deals," Tranghese said. "I think we'll have it all done within the next two weeks."

Tranghese would not comment on negotiations with other bowls, but the Big East is expected to renew its agreement with the Continental Tire Bowl. In a move that would raise the conference's postseason visibility, a deal to play a Southeastern Conference team in the Liberty Bowl in Memphis, Tenn., is close to being finalized.

Possibilities for the final agreement include the Champs Sports Bowl in Orlando, Fla., the Music City Bowl in Nashville, the Motor City Bowl, and a new bowl in Toronto that is awaiting certification from the NCAA. The Big East and the Insight Bowl end an eight-year relationship after this season.

"Two years ago when the ACC took our three schools [Miami, Virginia Tech, Boston College], everybody was saying, `The league's going to go away. You're going to lose your BCS bid, you're not going to be on TV anymore and you're going to lose all your bowl games.' It was this doom and gloom scenario," Tranghese said. "I think what we've been able to do is get ourselves re-established."

This season, the Gator Bowl will be played Jan. 2 in Jacksonville, Fla., and the Sun Bowl Dec 30 in El Paso, Texas.

"Four years ago, [Gator Bowl president] Rick Catlett and I tried to make similar deals with other [conferences] and couldn't get anywhere," Tranghese said. "This year, I think Rick was getting a little push from his board [to remove the Big East], but I don't think Rick wanted us to go away."
Copyright 2005, Hartford Courant

LOL...very lazy reporter...it's a done deal between C-USA and the ACC.......

They can say all they want about USF but they CANT deny the facts that the Bulls in only EIGHT years of existence have a winning or .500 record vs ALL CUSA teams except Southern Miss:
ECU 3-0
Houston 2-0
Memphis 2-2,one loss was while USF was 1AA
UAB 1-1
USM 1-3, one loss while a 1AA
vs BE teams
UConn 2-0
Pitt 1-1
Louisville 1-1
Cincinnati 1-1
vs other old CUSA
Army 1-1
TCU 1-1
So i wouldnt use the word "crapiest" in referring to USF football in CUSA,but i can see how others would be resentful at USF's rise into a BCS conference in only 8 years of existence.

Memphis State fans are very sure of themselves. As usual Memphis State fans are living in denial. Much like "the Big East is not looking at Florida teams" declaration from their clueless AD. I guess all the years of getting their head kicked in football has incapacitated their ability to look at things objectively.

Funny how they swore CDOA signed a contract with the Liberty Bowl but I have direct quotes from the LB saying that only thing binding that bowl game with CDOA are a series of three options. If the commitment was so strong why not sign a binding contract?

Cuban, I think most reasonable fans of the schools that wanted a Big East invite, have moved on from the disappointment over USF. I wish your Bulls success!

Jackson, I've seen plenty of negative comments from Big East fans concerning USF. In my opinion, they deserve more of your wrath that CUSA fans, since it's important for USF to be successful. If USF flounders, the Big East will have a big albatross around it's neck. I guess your Commish can give the Bulls the Temple Treatment.

What's strange is the way some posters talk out of both sides of their mouth. I've seen a Big East poster rail USF for not earning their spot, yet if you mention other candidates for future expansion, that have paid their dues, the poster brings up other negatives about those schools, as to why they are not worthy to be conference mates.

Quote:but good lord enough is enough

It will never be enough if they're not done with it after 2 years. Hey, if it gets them through life, then good for them. The thing that bothers me is that they think they're in such a crap conference, when in fact, CUSA is still alright. And I think they'll be surprised how this "crap" conference will do against them.
It's this arrogance, that they feel only a chosen few are good enough for them, that is why I don't want to see them in the Big East. If they get here, they'll talk about how the SEC is calling within 3 years.

Jackson1011 Wrote:-- I'm getting a little tired at all the pot shots CUSA fans are taking at South Flordia....they make it sound like the Bulls football program is Temple esq when in fact they have been very competitve over there short history....And while you guys are talking athletic programs...didn't USF enjoy one of the best best varisty/olympic sports programs in OCUSA? I know a lot of Memphis, ECU, UCF, Marshall etc fans are bitter that USF got the call...but good lord enough is enough

Exactly. It's getting old and tired. The basketball program was actually competitive in C-USA, having some 18 and 20 win seasons. The last few years they have fallen on hard times after Seth Greenberg bailed with the cupboard bare, but the football program is more then solid, save for the transition season last year with a young team. South Florida is fine. I mean, compare the success and attendance of South Florida to some of the schools entering C-USA this season that C-USA fan are happy about having, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, schools like that. And then consider how young a university and program South Florida is. Here is their record the previous 4 years before having a losing season:

2000 7-4
2001 8-3
2002 9-2
2003 7-4