TopCoog Wrote:You will stay where you are or go to the sec at some point. Those are your only two viable options.

The SEC is not a viable option.

Why is the SEC NOT a viable option? many people think that the Big Five confrences will expand to 12 and 14 at some point. If the sec expanded you would be in or have a great shot, why not?

TopCoog Wrote:Memphis is right where it needs to be for now, in a southern based league playing in its own region.

Most Memphis fans are very happy with C-USA except for one small problem.

and that problem is? You just sort of left your post hanging 3601.

ToopCog is correct on one matter...if Nova or Umass would upgrade to D1a football.....each would probably jump ahead of everyone on the BE expansion wish list not named Penn St or ND....the trouble is that Nova has been invited to move up at least twice and has declined (it is my understanding that they are facing some staduim issues) and as I said above we have been wating on Umass for years

-- A lot of this stuff about who is going to be included is going to depend on which school is leading the expansion charge.... last time around the unquestioned leader of the BE football schools was Sryacuse and its AD Jake Crouthamel....Crouthamel was the last remaining BE founding father still at his post and had many connections with the BE football schools and the bball onlys...so in hindsight...it should have been no suprise that the second Syracuse saw it was not going to be included in ACC expansion...all the talk BE football schools going on there own immediatly stopped and the 16 team league was agreed on...certainly I think we can all agree that the BE would look very different now had SU gone to the ACC over VT

-- Now Crouthamel has retired and a very strong supporter of the BE/hybrid league is "off the stage".... now who is going to be leading the charge? The Louisville fans have said that Tom Jurich is already making a strong push for major expansion once our 5 yr period is up...going to far has to suggest that louisville is drawing up plans to push the BE football schools to expand to 12 members...Now I have no way of knowing if that is true or not...but if louisville is the one "driving the expansion bus"...I would have to think they are going to want Memphis included...

-- As for ECU....West Virginia (and VT/Miami for that matter) has always wanted the Pirates in the BE....it is also my understanding that the hard feelings between ECU/Louisville have softened a bit...but maybe a Pirate or Cardinal fan could help us out on that

-- If the BE football schools go on there own...Memphis would be a tempting target because of the liberty bowl connection....that would be a very nice replacement as the sight for the BE runner up if the Gator bowl/Notre dame decide to go another route


Jackson

If TJ were driving the bus jackson that might be the case but he is only one of 16. If the basketball schools provide the league with money and TV revnue they will stay. Thge only way they wouldn't would be if they turned into what Baylor is in the Big 12....not carrying their weight in basketball. The NBE is going to make all of these programs better, hell Marquesste was in the final four a couple of years ago, not Louisville or Cincinnati. Villanova is hot and will get hotter. The set up they have right now is almost perfect. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Quote:If TJ were driving the bus jackson that might be the case but he is only one of 16

-- Well really TJ is 1 out of 8....the football schools have the "out" in 2010 where they can leave without paying exit fees etc...the questions is are they going to want to exercise that clause in the agreement

-- Like I said above...its all about who is leading the charge on this....Louisville or UC are probably going to want Memphis....West Virginia is going to want East Carolina...Rutgers would probably like to have temple back...I'm sure every school is going to have a different list of possible additions...and many of them may be different following ND/PSU at the top


Jackson

Quote:I can see that Memphis might offer something to sec, I can't see anything they offer the Big East.

You mean aside from a ~$1.5 mil bowl tie-in, football and basketball programs that would have been in the top 3 in attendance last year if they had been listed among the Big East numbers along with the incoming schools, a football program that has rapidly improved and has gone to back-to-back bowl games (taking around 15,000 fans to each bowl), much more of a "name" basketball program than any other potential incoming school, and long, well-known, TV-friendly rivalries with two Big East schools?

Why do you think UL and cincy are going to want Memphis? That is probably more speculation than the obvious. If you see a couple of basketball schools make the tournament each year, and based on the past we can say you probably will then you will not have a split. I think the idea of a split is very far fetched.
I'll tell you what jackson, if the NBE were crazy enough to dump Villanova and the others we would sure like to have them...no, they have too much ability, too much market shares, it very unrealistic.

Quote: Why do you think UL and cincy are going to want Memphis? That is probably more speculation than the obvious.

Wow, it's speculation? You think? :rolleyes:

Tiger, having a history with Louisville and cincinnati is not enough. They don't need you in basketball and you are out of their region. It would be like the Coohs trying to get into the Big 10, even if everything else were equal the geography kills you. For one, its highly unlikely they'll have an opening and if they did UCF or UMASS among others would be ahead of you on the list.

ECU knows that we need to get our house in order to even be considered for membership. We were in turmoil the last time there was an opening. Jackson mentioned the Syracuse AD leading the charge last time. Well, I'm sure all of the BE AD's either know or know of Terry Holland. Just having Coach Holland in place will at least put ECU in the race for a spot. We now have a football coach in place that has proven that he can produce a winner. He also has coached at UConn which might be a plus. In the end, I'd be very surprised if ECU isn't in the official running for BE membership if there is ever a split.

TopCoog Wrote:and that problem is? You just sort of left your post hanging 3601.

The $16 Million that comes with an automatic BCS bowl bid every season.

brick city...If these is a split it will be years away and its not likely. The ACC is more likely to add teams than the BE. That said, I'm sure these guys will keep talking about it for the next 20 years whether it happens or not. Its just a thing they do, heaven knows why.
Holland is probably frustrated at the lack of nearby rivals for ECU and the high travel expanses you get off by yourself the way you are. Too bad there are not more nearby options for some sore of league in that area but there doesn't appear to be.

TopCoog Wrote:The ACC is more likely to add teams than the BE.

Early front runner for ridiculous statement of 2005.

3601 Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:The ACC is more likely to add teams than the BE.

Early front runner for ridiculous statement of 2005.

You could pretty much just tack on that statement to the end of everything TopCoog says.

Like how we've apparently never been to a Final Four in his world. :rolleyes:

It won't matter 3601...whether they expand or not they won't take a school that has played in two bowl games in its history. you are lucky to be in CUSA they way you are going.

TopCoog, You would think another school in Georgia, South Carolina, & Virginia would step up to D1a football. Georgia has a ton of recruits & only two D1a schools. Same goes for South Carolina & Virginia. I would love to see a D1a conference with Marshall, ECU, Richmond, UNC-Charlotte since they are on the South Carolina border, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Central Florida, UAB, SoMiss, Memphis, Tulane, & another Florida school. That would require Richmond, Charlotte, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, & the Florida school to step up to D1a football. That conference would be the SEC light. You could have a north/south split. ECU, Richmond, Marshall, Charlotte, Georgia State, & Georgia Southern in the north and the rest in the south. That would be a decent football/basketball conference. In the end, it's all about the BCS. If ECU or any Non-BCS school gets a chance, they would be foolish not to jump.

TopCoog Wrote:they won't take a school that has played in two bowl games in its history

Once again, do your homework before you run your mouth.

1. They already took a school with 0 bowl games.
2. We've been to 4 bowl games.
3. By 2010, we plan to be on a roll with 8 consecutive bowl appearances.

TopCoog Wrote:It won't matter 3601...whether they expand or not they won't take a school that has played in two bowl games in its history.

They're soooo choosy about bowl appearances that they took the never-done-squat USF program over the bowl-filled history of ECU in the last round of invites.

Quote:you are lucky to be in CUSA they way you are going.

You're a HOUSTON fan. A HOUSTON fan. You guys can't draw flies to your games by putting rotten meat in the stadium, and your teams are pretty much ****** to boot. I'm sure Penders will do a great job, but you act like you're on top of the mountain when you're very close to the bottom. :laugh: