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(02-07-2012 03:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Memphis to me in football is a high risk/high reward type of deal. If Memphis turns into what Louisville has done in Big East(or even Cincy)- it's an absolute home run. If Memphis is bad to mediocre- then it's gonna be a major albatross. No real middle ground there at all...

I can see that. If they had success the program could build quickly. The fair question though is why Memphis football has almost never had sustained success outside of D Williams. You can say they will grow with a BCS tag (if it still exists in a few years) but why couldn't they even win consistently against peers in CUSA? That's the worry with football.
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Maybe we can invite Memphis on a BB only membership.
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(02-07-2012 03:56 PM)monty Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:33 PM)justinslot Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:28 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  Wow. What a perfectly crappy move for the FB divisions! 03-banghead

Might as well have added UNLV & NM. 01-wingedeagle

Is that an exit sign I see in the distance? Will be if the BE doesn't get serious about creating a great FB conference. Moves like this, it it happens, won't instill confidence in the FB membership.

The BB schools and their leaders seem serious about destroying this conference.

Did a double take here to make sure it was from a Boise fan and not a long time Big East fanbase. You've caught on quick!

That's just how Boy-z fan really is, get used to it.

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If Memphis leaves I wonder how this effects the Alliance. The MW might have enough power just to steal USM, Tulsa, Utep, and Rice and call it a day without having to deal with a full cross country merger.
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This move tells me the AQ is assumed to be lost by the Big East brass. Football has been keeping Memphis out for years. If they are getting in now, it's because their football is no longer a liability to AQ status. Only way that is true is if there is no AQ anymore.

So welcome Memphis. We'll take your TV market, your bowl, and your basketball program. Yes you can bring your football along.
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(02-07-2012 03:58 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:39 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:28 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  The BB schools and their leaders seem serious about destroying this conference.

That's funny. if it weren't for the aforementioned schools, many of these other schools would be in the WAC or the Metro right about now.

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Drivel. Moves like this one weaken the conference. If you can't see that, then you have been hit in the head with a big round orange ball too many times.

I have no issue with Memphis being added in Oly sports. As far as FB goes, we already have some teams that have to prove their value. Belaboring the point is counter-productive.

Pandering to the BB schools because of a few losses at the expense of the FB divisions will only continue destabilizing the conference. TV partners aren't going to pay top dollar for "high interest" games like SDSU-Memphis. We don't need cream puffs. We need competitors. That raises our value for TV contracts.

This move will be a mistake, if it happens.

Quit losing your mind over this. This is an obvious business move.

1. Memphis and its obvious supporters have the money and are already investing large amounts of money to put their facilities on par with the rest of the country.

2. Memphis has a powerhouse basketball program and has a long history with the Big East teams and the new teams coming in from CUSA. Adding this school increases the chance that they decide to stay if another conference comes calling. Unlike BSU fans some schools do really care about Basketball.

3. The head honcho of the Beast keeps repeating over and over that we will have the largest media area combined when it comes to potential number of TV sets. This move adds another very large market to that folder when it comes to negotiations.

4. Memphis is more western then the other Beast teams and being allowed to join would volunteer to be in the West division.

5. This move by the Beast to add Memphis shows that almost certainly that AQ bids are going away. This shows that the only thing important when it comes to expansion is large markets. All these cute little small market teams that are wanting in and think they deserve it better just give up cause its not happening. They may be good and have a nice history but moving forward large markets is what it is all about.
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(02-07-2012 04:03 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Memphis to me in football is a high risk/high reward type of deal. If Memphis turns into what Louisville has done in Big East(or even Cincy)- it's an absolute home run. If Memphis is bad to mediocre- then it's gonna be a major albatross. No real middle ground there at all...

I can see that. If they had success the program could build quickly. The fair question though is why Memphis football has almost never had sustained success outside of D Williams. You can say they will grow with a BCS tag (if it still exists in a few years) but why couldn't they even win consistently against peers in CUSA? That's the worry with football.

Just a quick response. We did have sustained success until the mid to late 70s. Then a bad coaching hire hurt us. Then we hired Rex Dockery away from Texas Tech and he was building something special at Memphis in the 1980s, but sadly he and a Memphis player died in a plane crash. That just destroyed the program. We had some good years in the early 90s with the Steve Matthews/Issac Bruce teams but the Stobart years just petered out. Tommy West had us back on track until he had his heart attack. After that, his recruiting and drive was just gone. We are just now recovering.
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(02-07-2012 04:06 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:56 PM)monty Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:33 PM)justinslot Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:28 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  Wow. What a perfectly crappy move for the FB divisions! 03-banghead

Might as well have added UNLV & NM. 01-wingedeagle

Is that an exit sign I see in the distance? Will be if the BE doesn't get serious about creating a great FB conference. Moves like this, it it happens, won't instill confidence in the FB membership.

The BB schools and their leaders seem serious about destroying this conference.

Did a double take here to make sure it was from a Boise fan and not a long time Big East fanbase. You've caught on quick!

That's just how Boy-z fan really is, get used to it.

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(02-07-2012 04:13 PM)monty Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 04:06 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:56 PM)monty Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:33 PM)justinslot Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:28 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  Wow. What a perfectly crappy move for the FB divisions! 03-banghead

Might as well have added UNLV & NM. 01-wingedeagle

Is that an exit sign I see in the distance? Will be if the BE doesn't get serious about creating a great FB conference. Moves like this, it it happens, won't instill confidence in the FB membership.

The BB schools and their leaders seem serious about destroying this conference.

Did a double take here to make sure it was from a Boise fan and not a long time Big East fanbase. You've caught on quick!

That's just how Boy-z fan really is, get used to it.

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Don't bite the hand that feeds you. 03-nutkick
03-lmfao

Since we're doing things I saw on tv as a little kid,

I learned to bite the hand that feeds from you dad

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Man that's blurry! Can't even tell what show that's from. But the tape was definitely from that era.
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(02-07-2012 02:21 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah, McMurphy has been pretty much spot on.

ESPN was totally scooped by this. If they had known sooner, they might have told John Swofford to call Memphis and offer them an ACC bid... 05-stirthepot

No way. I'm holding out until a REAL expansion insider like Andy Katz can confirm it. 03-lmfao
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(02-07-2012 04:22 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 02:21 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah, McMurphy has been pretty much spot on.

ESPN was totally scooped by this. If they had known sooner, they might have told John Swofford to call Memphis and offer them an ACC bid... 05-stirthepot

No way. I'm holding out until a REAL expansion insider like Andy Katz can confirm it. 03-lmfao

hahahaha, he just did on ESPNU.
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(02-07-2012 04:23 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 04:22 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 02:21 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah, McMurphy has been pretty much spot on.

ESPN was totally scooped by this. If they had known sooner, they might have told John Swofford to call Memphis and offer them an ACC bid... 05-stirthepot

No way. I'm holding out until a REAL expansion insider like Andy Katz can confirm it. 03-lmfao

hahahaha, he just did on ESPNU.

Thank God. A Pulitzer is right around the corner for that guy.
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I won't believe until Greg Swaim says so...
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(02-07-2012 04:33 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  I won't believe until Greg Swaim says so...

What about that dude from Burntorange.net or whatever? He was real credible. Also, blazr.
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(02-07-2012 02:27 PM)brista21 Wrote:  Well I look forward to a trip to Beale Street that's for certain. And bring on the BBQ.

I look forward to a trip to NYC for a Big East b'ball tournament. Fingers crossed.
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(02-07-2012 04:28 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 04:23 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 04:22 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 02:21 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah, McMurphy has been pretty much spot on.

ESPN was totally scooped by this. If they had known sooner, they might have told John Swofford to call Memphis and offer them an ACC bid... 05-stirthepot

No way. I'm holding out until a REAL expansion insider like Andy Katz can confirm it. 03-lmfao

hahahaha, he just did on ESPNU.

Thank God. A Pulitzer is right around the corner for that guy.

You know he is right because he looked extra stupid while saying it.
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(02-07-2012 04:11 PM)PoiseState Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:58 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:39 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:28 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  The BB schools and their leaders seem serious about destroying this conference.

That's funny. if it weren't for the aforementioned schools, many of these other schools would be in the WAC or the Metro right about now.

03-puke

Drivel. Moves like this one weaken the conference. If you can't see that, then you have been hit in the head with a big round orange ball too many times.

I have no issue with Memphis being added in Oly sports. As far as FB goes, we already have some teams that have to prove their value. Belaboring the point is counter-productive.

Pandering to the BB schools because of a few losses at the expense of the FB divisions will only continue destabilizing the conference. TV partners aren't going to pay top dollar for "high interest" games like SDSU-Memphis. We don't need cream puffs. We need competitors. That raises our value for TV contracts.

This move will be a mistake, if it happens.

Quit losing your mind over this. This is an obvious business move.

1. Memphis and its obvious supporters have the money and are already investing large amounts of money to put their facilities on par with the rest of the country.

2. Memphis has a powerhouse basketball program and has a long history with the Big East teams and the new teams coming in from CUSA. Adding this school increases the chance that they decide to stay if another conference comes calling. Unlike BSU fans some schools do really care about Basketball.

3. The head honcho of the Beast keeps repeating over and over that we will have the largest media area combined when it comes to potential number of TV sets. This move adds another very large market to that folder when it comes to negotiations.

4. Memphis is more western then the other Beast teams and being allowed to join would volunteer to be in the West division.

5. This move by the Beast to add Memphis shows that almost certainly that AQ bids are going away. This shows that the only thing important when it comes to expansion is large markets. All these cute little small market teams that are wanting in and think they deserve it better just give up cause its not happening. They may be good and have a nice history but moving forward large markets is what it is all about.

Don't quite get your cavalier attitude. We're a FB only add. FB is what we need to focus on. Their BB program is immaterial to us. Don't think we'll be seeing too much BB revenue from the BE. But as I stated, I wouldn't object to Memphis as a BB/Oly sports add.

The head honcho of the BE is showing remarkable short sightedness if he thinks "potential" big markets are the catch of the day. Better grab SJSU, NM & UNLV! Some day, those markets might be worth something!

Memphis FB isn't a huge draw. And they won't be until they get a decent team/coaching staff together. That doesn't happen overnight. Just ask NM & UNLV.

Who the heck is lining up to snag Memphis again? B12? SEC? B10? 03-lmfao
Yep, they see the *potential*, don't they?

So Memphis' "huge market" is going to provide bumpkiss to our TV contract negotiations. In fact, Memphis will probably negatively affect our negotiations because who will tune in during games involving that powerhouse when they visit our other huge markets? That means the TV partner will have to handicap or write off 8 conference games that involve Memphis. Yay!

Volunteering to be in a western division is a reason to add a team? Wow, how low our standards have gone. We'd add better teams if only they'd play in our western division...but none will come except Memphis...01-wingedeagle

Nope, TV has always been defined by entertainment value. That's what made BSU the value-added resource it is today. And it should be the reason we consider a team like Southern Miss. I'd watch SDSU-So.Miss over SDSU-Memphis any day of the week. And I'm guessing a great many other CFB fans would too.

Cream puff games don't draw large audiences. Competitive games do.
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(02-07-2012 04:40 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 04:28 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 04:23 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 04:22 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 02:21 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  ESPN was totally scooped by this. If they had known sooner, they might have told John Swofford to call Memphis and offer them an ACC bid... 05-stirthepot

No way. I'm holding out until a REAL expansion insider like Andy Katz can confirm it. 03-lmfao

hahahaha, he just did on ESPNU.

Thank God. A Pulitzer is right around the corner for that guy.

You know he is right because he looked extra stupid while saying it.

Lol see this is why I love Memphis fans. You guys bring humor and pithy dialogue to an otherwise awkward situation. I guess you all learned that during football season.
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(02-07-2012 04:40 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 04:11 PM)PoiseState Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:58 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:39 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 03:28 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  The BB schools and their leaders seem serious about destroying this conference.

That's funny. if it weren't for the aforementioned schools, many of these other schools would be in the WAC or the Metro right about now.

03-puke

Drivel. Moves like this one weaken the conference. If you can't see that, then you have been hit in the head with a big round orange ball too many times.

I have no issue with Memphis being added in Oly sports. As far as FB goes, we already have some teams that have to prove their value. Belaboring the point is counter-productive.

Pandering to the BB schools because of a few losses at the expense of the FB divisions will only continue destabilizing the conference. TV partners aren't going to pay top dollar for "high interest" games like SDSU-Memphis. We don't need cream puffs. We need competitors. That raises our value for TV contracts.

This move will be a mistake, if it happens.

Quit losing your mind over this. This is an obvious business move.

1. Memphis and its obvious supporters have the money and are already investing large amounts of money to put their facilities on par with the rest of the country.

2. Memphis has a powerhouse basketball program and has a long history with the Big East teams and the new teams coming in from CUSA. Adding this school increases the chance that they decide to stay if another conference comes calling. Unlike BSU fans some schools do really care about Basketball.

3. The head honcho of the Beast keeps repeating over and over that we will have the largest media area combined when it comes to potential number of TV sets. This move adds another very large market to that folder when it comes to negotiations.

4. Memphis is more western then the other Beast teams and being allowed to join would volunteer to be in the West division.

5. This move by the Beast to add Memphis shows that almost certainly that AQ bids are going away. This shows that the only thing important when it comes to expansion is large markets. All these cute little small market teams that are wanting in and think they deserve it better just give up cause its not happening. They may be good and have a nice history but moving forward large markets is what it is all about.

Don't quite get your cavalier attitude. We're a FB only add. FB is what we need to focus on. Their BB program is immaterial to us. Don't think we'll be seeing too much BB revenue from the BE. But as I stated, I wouldn't object to Memphis as a BB/Oly sports add.

The head honcho of the BE is showing remarkable short sightedness if he thinks "potential" big markets are the catch of the day. Better grab SJSU, NM & UNLV! Some day, those markets might be worth something!

Memphis FB isn't a huge draw. And they won't be until they get a decent team/coaching staff together. That doesn't happen overnight. Just ask NM & UNLV.

Who the heck is lining up to snag Memphis again? B12? SEC? B10? 03-lmfao
Yep, they see the *potential*, don't they?

So Memphis' "huge market" is going to provide bumpkiss to our TV contract negotiations. In fact, Memphis will probably negatively affect our negotiations because who will tune in during games involving that powerhouse when they visit our other huge markets? That means the TV partner will have to handicap or write off 8 conference games that involve Memphis. Yay!

Volunteering to be in a western division is a reason to add a team? Wow, how low our standards have gone. We'd add better teams if only they'd play in our western division...but none will come except Memphis...01-wingedeagle

Nope, TV has always been defined by entertainment value. That's what made BSU the value-added resource it is today. And it should be the reason we consider a team like Southern Miss. I'd watch SDSU-So.Miss over SDSU-Memphis any day of the week. And I'm guessing a great many other CFB fans would too.

Cream puff games don't draw large audiences. Competitive games do.

Just when it looks like we finally got out of C-USA, the conference comes to the BE. SMH..
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(02-07-2012 04:42 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 04:40 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 04:28 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 04:23 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 04:22 PM)CD11 Wrote:  No way. I'm holding out until a REAL expansion insider like Andy Katz can confirm it. 03-lmfao

hahahaha, he just did on ESPNU.

Thank God. A Pulitzer is right around the corner for that guy.

You know he is right because he looked extra stupid while saying it.

Lol see this is why I love Memphis fans. You guys bring humor and pithy dialogue to an otherwise awkward situation. I guess you all learned that during football season.

Memphis fans have a gallows humor about them. If you've been ****** over as many times as we have you learn to take things with a grain of salt and stiff shot of bourbon.
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