(03-17-2012 08:58 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 08:45 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 02:34 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 12:54 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 07:08 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  Bottom line is ECU isn't being selected by major conferences for inclusion. They have been invited to be a member of the forthcoming alliance.

Yup, that's pretty much all that matters everything else is a pi$$ing match. We need to dominate this 2nd rate conference. I'm tired of trying to make it sound better than it really is. It's comparable to the Big East and clearly above MAC, WAC and Sunbelt. That's not really saying a lot and should be a slap to ECU fans faces everywhere. We've worked too hard as fans for this crap, time for our leadership to make it happen on the field.

That's correct. We need to start off by dominating this coming year's CUSA. Beasting the schedule should be the only priority.

Wow. Up to this point I had really felt kind of bad that ECU didn't get a BE invite, and who knows, you may get one if UL, Cincy, UConn and Rutgers leave. But after reading this swill, I have no sympathy for you. Instead of settling for this crap in this "2nd rate" conference, I think you should go independent and show us all just how fantastic you are! Good Lord.

Just frustration talking Miner.

Every conference out there looked down on the WAC, yet Boise ended up in BCS games. I see this new conference as a step up from the WAC. The MWC and CUSA were in a constant battle as the " #7 conference". The two together are no worse then where we were before. Boise deserves it' accolades, but the remaining BE invites were not dominating either of the MWC/CUSA year in and year out before they left so I dont see how the Alliance is a bad thing. I'm as excited as realignment has allowed me to be about this Merger. Let's get it goin. This conference can be good IMHO.

No offense but in terms of football conference USA was competing with the MAC and WAC for a spot and the WAC was the better conference for a while. Conference USA did nothing to even compare to what the MWC teams did.

People EXPECTED the MWC champion to be undefeated and have at least two teams in the top 25 when they had Utah, TCU, and BYU. Even when those teams left people expected Boise to finish undefeated.

The MWC was been the symbol for the term "put up or shut up" until that ship sailed with the teams who are now gone. I think it's kind of sad things happened the way they did because they rebels in a system meant to keep non AQ teams down.

(03-17-2012 10:35 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 08:58 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 08:45 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 02:34 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 12:54 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Yup, that's pretty much all that matters everything else is a pi$$ing match. We need to dominate this 2nd rate conference. I'm tired of trying to make it sound better than it really is. It's comparable to the Big East and clearly above MAC, WAC and Sunbelt. That's not really saying a lot and should be a slap to ECU fans faces everywhere. We've worked too hard as fans for this crap, time for our leadership to make it happen on the field.

That's correct. We need to start off by dominating this coming year's CUSA. Beasting the schedule should be the only priority.

Wow. Up to this point I had really felt kind of bad that ECU didn't get a BE invite, and who knows, you may get one if UL, Cincy, UConn and Rutgers leave. But after reading this swill, I have no sympathy for you. Instead of settling for this crap in this "2nd rate" conference, I think you should go independent and show us all just how fantastic you are! Good Lord.

Just frustration talking Miner.

Every conference out there looked down on the WAC, yet Boise ended up in BCS games. I see this new conference as a step up from the WAC. The MWC and CUSA were in a constant battle as the " #7 conference". The two together are no worse then where we were before. Boise deserves it' accolades, but the remaining BE invites were not dominating either of the MWC/CUSA year in and year out before they left so I dont see how the Alliance is a bad thing. I'm as excited as realignment has allowed me to be about this Merger. Let's get it goin. This conference can be good IMHO.

No offense but in terms of football conference USA was competing with the MAC and WAC for a spot and the WAC was the better conference for a while. Conference USA did nothing to even compare to what the MWC teams did.

People EXPECTED the MWC champion to be undefeated and have at least two teams in the top 25 when they had Utah, TCU, and BYU. Even when those teams left people expected Boise to finish undefeated.

The MWC was been the symbol for the term "put up or shut up" until that ship sailed with the teams who are now gone. I think it's kind of sad things happened the way they did because they rebels in a system meant to keep non AQ teams down.

I got your point, and no offense taken, but I was talking about the WAC when it was Boise and everybody else. Boise was expected to win that conference and be undefeated every season. CUSA rotated champions just about every year. There was alot of parity in the league, which was apparent that even if Memphis or UAB finished at the bottom, they upset a USM, ECU, UCF. The MWC had Utah, TCU and BYU yes......and then who?

The bottom line point really has nothing to do with comparing leagues more so than the Merger is going forward and it's time for these programs to step up. I've heavily looked at the histories of the remaining teams and looked at potential invitees. This can be a good conference and I'm really interested to see what additional teams come in.

No offense but ECU isn't ready to move into the Big East. When they start going undefeated in CUSA, then maybe they can start talking but let's get real here. They haven't even dominated their own conference.

(03-18-2012 12:14 AM)Fitbuddy Wrote:  No offense but ECU isn't ready to move into the Big East. When they start going undefeated in CUSA, then maybe they can start talking but let's get real here. They haven't even dominated their own conference.

Like SMU(FB and BB)? Memphis (FB)?

List of FB titles since 2005

ECU 2 (back2back)
UCF 2
Tulsa 1
UH 1
USM 1

(03-18-2012 12:14 AM)Fitbuddy Wrote:  No offense but ECU isn't ready to move into the Big East. When they start going undefeated in CUSA, then maybe they can start talking but let's get real here. They haven't even dominated their own conference.

Epic 1st Post FAIL.

Check out the football powers the nBE has invited. Only Boise has year in and year out dominated it's conference.

And Cincy and USF prior to the BE were mediocre at best.

(03-18-2012 08:46 AM)ConanX Wrote:  

(03-18-2012 12:14 AM)Fitbuddy Wrote:  No offense but ECU isn't ready to move into the Big East. When they start going undefeated in CUSA, then maybe they can start talking but let's get real here. They haven't even dominated their own conference.

Epic 1st Post FAIL.

Check out the football powers the nBE has invited. Only Boise has year in and year out dominated it's conference.

And Cincy and USF prior to the BE were mediocre at best.

Correct.
Nevertheless, the BE doesn't want ECU. The Alliance is going to accommodate ECU some by bringing in some eastern schools (which is good for the Alliance, too) and ECU needs to get on board - or not get on board. But no half in, half out

(03-18-2012 12:31 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(03-18-2012 08:46 AM)ConanX Wrote:  

(03-18-2012 12:14 AM)Fitbuddy Wrote:  No offense but ECU isn't ready to move into the Big East. When they start going undefeated in CUSA, then maybe they can start talking but let's get real here. They haven't even dominated their own conference.

Epic 1st Post FAIL.

Check out the football powers the nBE has invited. Only Boise has year in and year out dominated it's conference.

And Cincy and USF prior to the BE were mediocre at best.

Correct.
Nevertheless, the BE doesn't want ECU. The Alliance is going to accommodate ECU some by bringing in some eastern schools (which is good for the Alliance, too) and ECU needs to get on board - or not get on board. But no half in, half out

I think we're in for sure. Once those TV rights are signed over it's pretty much over in terms of moving on to a better league for the length of the TV deal at least. Frustrating as hell.

(03-18-2012 12:14 AM)Fitbuddy Wrote:  No offense but ECU isn't ready to move into the Big East. When they start going undefeated in CUSA, then maybe they can start talking but let's get real here. They haven't even dominated their own conference.

Dumbest post of the year

(03-17-2012 09:11 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 08:11 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 08:43 AM)EERSFAN Wrote:  

buckaineer Wrote:WVU played ECU from time to time. That doesn't mean they supported ECU for conference membership.

From what I've heard, WVU did support ECU's bid to join the Big East. WVU wanted football-first schools that brought fans. ECU would've added another well-traveling fanbase, something the BE sorely lacks for the most part.

EERSFAN is right here, buck. Eddie Pastilong was a long time supporter of ECU, and pushed for the Pirates entry into The BEast from the inception of the football side of the conference...

What are you basing this on? EP never spoke publicly about including ECU in the Big East. I've never once seen any article, interview, quote, etc. suggesting what you are saying is true.

It's based on discussions between my father and Pastilong I overheard. The old man covered WVU sports for the Charleston Daily Mail until retiring in 1993, and maintained his sources as friends until his death in 2010...

(03-17-2012 09:21 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 08:45 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 02:34 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 12:54 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 07:08 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  Bottom line is ECU isn't being selected by major conferences for inclusion. They have been invited to be a member of the forthcoming alliance.

Yup, that's pretty much all that matters everything else is a pi$$ing match. We need to dominate this 2nd rate conference. I'm tired of trying to make it sound better than it really is. It's comparable to the Big East and clearly above MAC, WAC and Sunbelt. That's not really saying a lot and should be a slap to ECU fans faces everywhere. We've worked too hard as fans for this crap, time for our leadership to make it happen on the field.

That's correct. We need to start off by dominating this coming year's CUSA. Beasting the schedule should be the only priority.

Wow. Up to this point I had really felt kind of bad that ECU didn't get a BE invite, and who knows, you may get one if UL, Cincy, UConn and Rutgers leave. But after reading this swill, I have no sympathy for you. Instead of settling for this crap in this "2nd rate" conference, I think you should go independent and show us all just how fantastic you are! Good Lord.

Sorry but UNLV, UNM, Rice, Tulane and UAB consistently bringing up the rear of NCAA football and we're looking at bringing up more FCS programs or Sunbelt schools. Most of the schools in the league draw 30K or less fans. It's just frustration just like I'm sure UTEP would rather be in the Big 12 or Pac 12.

I'm sorry but Big East and Alliance are BOTH 2nd rate compared to the Big 5 conferences. That's just a fact.

And I really don't care what anybody thinks about my opinion. It's a FACT that ECU fans have done more than what has been asked of them and MORE than all but ONE non-AQ program to get something better. It's our leadership that hasn't gotten us there. I'm just getting kind of sick of it. Ruff wants to coach here (finally) and if he can't get it done I don't know what will.

For the record, I think UTEP and USM fans also deserve better. But there isn't a "better" available for us.

But you already know the reason why ECU is not in the BE as of now. MARKETS. I'd say it louder but I would irritate everyone.

Market, perceived to NOT be there by the powers that be. You can continue to beat your head against the wall and make your self miserable if you want but I don't think it's going to help. And it does no good to belittle the conference your in, as if you are too good for it. Think that if you want but no one in CUSA has proven themselves to be too good for the conference.

(03-18-2012 12:52 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  I think we're in for sure. Once those TV rights are signed over it's pretty much over in terms of moving on to a better league for the length of the TV deal at least. Frustrating as hell.

ECU's obviously hesitating on that, but will probably have to do it to be in the Alliance. But you'll be able to get out of it for a power league - the damages can be overcome by SEC (or whomever)revenues. But not BE revenues. And while there was sympathy for ECU in the old BE (when it was an eastern league and ECU being in the east), now the BE is as spread out as C-USA.
Or put another way, the Alliance wouldn't have been POd about ECU leaving for the BE as they are for the others leaving.

I know a lot of you guys are passionate about ECU football and their tradition. They have been overlooked however for many years. You can find a number of reasons why they haven't been invited and it is always a different factor for each.

You cannot deny however that one of the reasons why they have not been invited is because they are not a dominate football team. When was the last time they were consistently in the 10 ten like Boise St. or Houston, or TCU?

(03-21-2012 03:41 PM)Fitbuddy Wrote:  I know a lot of you guys are passionate about ECU football and their tradition. They have been overlooked however for many years. You can find a number of reasons why they haven't been invited and it is always a different factor for each.

You cannot deny however that one of the reasons why they have not been invited is because they are not a dominate football team. When was the last time they were consistently in the 10 ten like Boise St. or Houston, or TCU?

When has Houston constanty won 10 games? They couldn't even win the CUSA championship!

(03-21-2012 03:41 PM)Fitbuddy Wrote:  I know a lot of you guys are passionate about ECU football and their tradition. They have been overlooked however for many years. You can find a number of reasons why they haven't been invited and it is always a different factor for each.

You cannot deny however that one of the reasons why they have not been invited is because they are not a dominate football team. When was the last time they were consistently in the 10 ten like Boise St. or Houston, or TCU?

We'll agree to disagree. I concur that had ECU been as dominant as Boise in the "WAC", that National attention would have elevated the Pirate's stock. Having said that, ECU has been hampered by other MISPERCEPTIONS (as I'll call them) and to me it's those that have kept ECU on the outside looking in:

1. NO MARKET
2. The 4 BCS schools in NC are heads and shoulders better than ECU in football.
3. ECU academics suck
4. Terrible basketball that has made no strides and never will
5. NO MARKET

(03-21-2012 04:01 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(03-21-2012 03:41 PM)Fitbuddy Wrote:  I know a lot of you guys are passionate about ECU football and their tradition. They have been overlooked however for many years. You can find a number of reasons why they haven't been invited and it is always a different factor for each.

You cannot deny however that one of the reasons why they have not been invited is because they are not a dominate football team. When was the last time they were consistently in the 10 ten like Boise St. or Houston, or TCU?

We'll agree to disagree. I concur that had ECU been as dominant as Boise in the "WAC", that National attention would have elevated the Pirate's stock. Having said that, ECU has been hampered by other MISPERCEPTIONS (as I'll call them) and to me it's those that have kept ECU on the outside looking in:

1. NO MARKET
2. The 4 BCS schools in NC are heads and shoulders better than ECU in football.
3. ECU academics suck
4. Terrible basketball that has made no strides and never will
5. NO MARKET

The attention was there when we beat VPI and WVU. Our players were being called up on ESPN's First Take and giving interviews. Vince McMahon had a few seconds in the game where he said that he was proud to be an alumnus and "Go Pirates Go". You know he wouldn't do that unless he was sure that people were going to see.

When we went to play State, ESPN actually said that was the most underrated rivalry in the south(even though I don't believe that). If we were to finish State and, we would've been ranked between 12 and 14, probably would've still lost to Houston, could've beaten UVa, and finished Kentucky there's no doubt in my mind that we would've been near the top 10 getting some serious looks and the media would've given us a ride on the magic carpet to the top then and there.

The Big East would've forgotten all about our market size and basketball.

(03-22-2012 12:23 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(03-21-2012 04:01 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(03-21-2012 03:41 PM)Fitbuddy Wrote:  I know a lot of you guys are passionate about ECU football and their tradition. They have been overlooked however for many years. You can find a number of reasons why they haven't been invited and it is always a different factor for each.

You cannot deny however that one of the reasons why they have not been invited is because they are not a dominate football team. When was the last time they were consistently in the 10 ten like Boise St. or Houston, or TCU?

We'll agree to disagree. I concur that had ECU been as dominant as Boise in the "WAC", that National attention would have elevated the Pirate's stock. Having said that, ECU has been hampered by other MISPERCEPTIONS (as I'll call them) and to me it's those that have kept ECU on the outside looking in:

1. NO MARKET
2. The 4 BCS schools in NC are heads and shoulders better than ECU in football.
3. ECU academics suck
4. Terrible basketball that has made no strides and never will
5. NO MARKET

The attention was there when we beat VPI and WVU. Our players were being called up on ESPN's First Take and giving interviews. Vince McMahon had a few seconds in the game where he said that he was proud to be an alumnus and "Go Pirates Go". You know he wouldn't do that unless he was sure that people were going to see.

When we went to play State, ESPN actually said that was the most underrated rivalry in the south(even though I don't believe that). If we were to finish State and, we would've been ranked between 12 and 14, probably would've still lost to Houston, could've beaten UVa, and finished Kentucky there's no doubt in my mind that we would've been near the top 10 getting some serious looks and the media would've given us a ride on the magic carpet to the top then and there.

The Big East would've forgotten all about our market size and basketball.

No, if you would have defeated the teams you did, not lost to the five or so others you lost to, been ranked in the top 5 or so to finish the season and gone onto a BCS bowl that you won, then continued to win up through today with multiple BCS bowls and 11 win seasons--then people would begin to disregard market size. A couple of games here and there followed by multiple losses doesn't mean much.

ECU has done Ok on the field and in the stands. There is no doubt about that. Since the last go round, 2 teams have 2 CUSA titles UCF and ECU. USM, Tulsa, Houston each have one. Bottom line is Location, Location, Location, ECU and that is one thing ECU can not fix. It sucks but it is what it is. Hopefully the Alliance works out and the TV deal is better than the old CUSA or MWC deals, and the alliance can bring in a couple/few eastern schools to make it better for ECU and Marshall.