ECU is a bad fit for the big east in every sense. They have the unfortunate combination of bad academics and bad athletics(football and basketball). If the big east starts adding teams for the sake of increasing numbers I would hope the conference has enough sense to stay away from ECU. I know there are a few ECU posters that are desperate to get out of CUSA ( I cant blame them) but the big east needs to just say no to ECU.

bad academics and bad athletics?

you lost all credibilty there... go home

I'm in shochnawe of your lack of knowledge about ECU. :wave:

Our academics are on par with EVERY single Big East team so that assumption is false. We are tier 3.

Quote:ECU is a bad fit for the big east in every sense. They have the unfortunate combination of bad academics and bad athletics(football and basketball)

-- East Carolina was a perfect fit for the old BE...they played Miami, VT and WVU reguarly and has close relationships with all three....I heard many times ...as I'm sure the ECU people have too.... that if the old BE needed a 9th school it would have been ECU

-- Assuming both rumors we have heard the past two weeks are true and that ECU and Army/Navy are being considered for footballl only membership...it will be hard for ECU to win that vote....one would have to think that the four old eastern independents and Uconn will want Army/Navy for geographic and historical reasons.....that leaves the Pirates trying to get support from schools like Louisville and UC....and considering the lengths that Louisville went to keep ECU out of CUSA...well....lets just say I think it will be an uphill climb if both rumors are true and the BE has a choice about which plan to go with


Jackson

Political climates often change, Jackson.

Jackson, with our close relationship with West Virgnia Do you think your administration would support us? I have heard some fans positions on the matter alot are for us some are against us. I have always felt we were a perfect geographical fit. I wasnt involved with ECU when this happened but at the time the Big East I feel like we were the better program at the time VT was added. Having just come off of a top 10 national ranking and VT having mediocre seasons that we were the better option. The Big East could have added both and gone to 9 just like the ACC had. Just keep an open mind about Market. Its not as small as it seems and if we got into the big East think about the whole State of North Carolina being the market. If we are on TV people watch us. Let us play Pitt on ESPN and people would probably watch that alot more than they watched Pitt USF yesturday. I ask for everyones continued support, whatever happens happens but this has always been our goal.

Quote: Jackson, with our close relationship with West Virgnia Do you think your administration would support us?

I'm not Jackson and I'm not really in the know with our AD, but I would think WVU would not want East Carolina as a conference game. Why would we want to make a 3 for 2 or 2 for 1 into a 1 for 1? From a purely selfish stand point I don't think WVU would want ECU in the league.

I'm not 100% sure WVU would even want a 9th member, we already play essentially a 4 home 4 away conference slate with the 7 Big East games and Maryland. Of course the 12 game season would probably change that point of view (if it exists, just speculation on my part).

Quote:I have always felt we were a perfect geographical fit.

I don't know about that. We are supposed to be all the Eastern Independents, the major football playing Northeastern schools. ECU doesn't fit the geographical footprint in my opinion.

Quote:Jackson, with our close relationship with West Virgnia Do you think your administration would support us? I have heard some fans positions on the matter alot are for us some are against us. I have always felt we were a perfect geographical fit. I wasnt involved with ECU when this happened but at the time the Big East I feel like we were the better program at the time VT was added. Having just come off of a top 10 national ranking and VT having mediocre seasons that we were the better option. The Big East could have added both and gone to 9 just like the ACC had. Just keep an open mind about Market. Its not as small as it seems and if we got into the big East think about the whole State of North Carolina being the market. If we are on TV people watch us. Let us play Pitt on ESPN and people would probably watch that alot more than they watched Pitt USF yesturday. I ask for everyones continued support, whatever happens happens but this has always been our goal.

-- As I said before ECU would have been a perftect fit around 1994 or 95....something like that...the reason we didn't go to 9 was because of resisitance of the bball onlys (and at the time we already had two football only members)....sound familar??

-- Without Virgnia Tech...I'm not sure ECU is as good a fit for the BE now though...thier are some geography issues...Greenville is almost twice the distance Blacksburgh was from the rest of the league

-- It will be interesting to see what West Virginia does with this....WVU is the lone remaining strong supporter of ECU left in the league and playes the Pirates every year...but Coach Rodriugez has been vocal about his personal support for adding the Naval Academy to the BE...I'm pretty sure he said on his radio show a few times that he wanted Navy over USF...WVU has a lot of fan support in state Maryland and in the eastern panhandle of WV and adding Navy would mean thos folks would have a close game every year...Even years at Navy..odd years at Maryland...so to make a long story short I don't know which way WVU turns with this...but for ECU to get in they need strong support from the Mountaineers...


Jackson

HELLO YOU JUST ADDED A FLORIDA SCHOOL! How is greenville any different. Its closer to every Big East school than Tampa Florida. Like i said we are closer than Milwaukee, Wisconsin. They arent even in the East.

Quote: HELLO YOU JUST ADDED A FLORIDA SCHOOL! How is greenville any different.

That doesn't mean ECU makes 'perfect geographical sense.' And the state of NC doesn't quite have the same number of D1 players as Florida.

Quote:Like i said we are closer than Milwaukee, Wisconsin. They arent even in the East.

And most people agree we won't be in the same league as them forever. DePaul and Marquette are temporary in the big picture of Eastern conferences.

Quote:HELLO YOU JUST ADDED A FLORIDA SCHOOL! How is greenville any different. Its closer to every Big East school than Tampa Florida. Like i said we are closer than Milwaukee, Wisconsin. They arent even in the East. 

-- Well first...Tampa is a much bigger market then Greenville....and has a lot of eastern retirees and transplants live in Flordia that would be interested in seeing BE schools....and there is the fact that BE football has always had a Flordia school for recruiting purposes

-- Milwaukee and Chicago are not horribly far from South Bend, Ind....and Marquette and Depaul have very long ties with Notre Dame


Jackson

Your avoiding the question. You are talking geography, location, distance. Market has nothing to do with those. Ive argued the market question before because our market isnt truly represented and people dont seem to get that through their heads. Several years ago our market including surrounding cities such as Farmville, Goldsboro, Tarboro, and other cities in eastern NC but now they changed that and they count for the Raleigh Market and the Virginia market. If we had all of those cities our market would be about the same size as Orlando.

"Well first...Tampa is a much bigger market then Greenville....and has a lot of eastern retirees and transplants live in Flordia that would be interested in seeing BE schools....and there is the fact that BE football has always had a Flordia school for recruiting purposes"


We have already talked about how USF LIES about attendence and SAT scores. Do you know what their attendence for the Pitt game was. A little over 23,000 but that was announced so take 5-6 thousand off and it was probably 16-17,000 against who. A big east team. It doesnt seem to help them out at all probably because they dont have any fans. Have fun playing in front of 18,000 old people.

Quote: Your avoiding the question.

What's the question? Tampa can be on the moon, it doesn't make Greenville a 'perfect geographic fit.'

Quote:probably because they dont have any fans.

They have existed for a very short time, give them time to grow. They had something like 40 or 50k for their first ever game, so the fanbase is obviously there. They are also pumping out huge numbers of alumni every year (I believe the highest numbers of all Big East schools).

Quote:They have existed for a very short time, give them time to grow. They had something like 40 or 50k for their first ever game, so the fanbase is obviously there. They are also pumping out huge numbers of alumni every year (I believe the highest numbers of all Big East schools).

-- Exactly....their fan base will grow as their football program matures...I'm having trouble understanding why ECU fans are so upset.....USF was better this year, last year and the year before

-- ECU has had some very good teams...but they have also had some very bad teams more recently....in this what have you done for me lately world this is going to be a tough sell...ECU has a great fans but that doesn't do the BE any good if your program isn't good enough to qualify for bowls


Jackson

ECU has a chacellor that had to step down in a financial scandal. their AD left for a WAC school. The football that is played is barely div 1 AA and the basketball could not beat some good high school teams. They dragged down CUSA when they were added ( for football believe or not). Looks like UC and Louisville knew were smart to try and block their membership in CUSA from the start. ECU has no place in the Big East or any other BCS conference for that matter.

shocknawe Wrote:ECU has a chacellor that had to step down in a financial scandal. their AD left for a WAC school. The football that is played is barely div 1 AA and the basketball could not beat some good high school teams. They dragged down CUSA when they were added ( for football believe or not). Looks like UC and Louisville knew were smart to try and block their membership in CUSA from the start. ECU has no place in the Big East or any other BCS conference for that matter.

Ouch, what your school?

What bowl is USF going too? Look at who they have played. Just because they have an 7-4 record playing division 1AA and division 2 teams doesnt mean they have or will be a great program. Everytime they play a decent team they lose examples this year South Carolina and Pitt. Who was their one non conference win against? Tennessee Tech. You claimed that playing Big East teams will increase their attendence but actually it was just as bad as it has always been. They could only dream to have the attendence that we have. Im not disputing the fact that we have been down the last several year but we will be back. Every program has its ups and its downs. We will get that chip back and once we do watch out. You say we arent good enough when we are winning and we arent good when we arent so once we start winning again your just going to find some other bull**** excuse to keep us out.